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#1 MichaelJP

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 16:47

Was struck by the dramatic footage last night on Top Gear of the Bugatti Veyron SS. It achieved an average of around 430kph, and looked steady as a rock.

The setting reminded me of those pre-war records on the autobahn in Germany, when Rosemeyer unfortunately died in an attempt. Wasn't the speed about the same?


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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 17:04

Yes, Rosemeyer and Caracciola both ran at about 430km/h in January 1938. I didn't see the Veyron, but was this a straight track? There was a slight curve on the Frankfurt-Darmstadt Autobahn, so that - combined with less than perfect aerodynamics etc - restricted speeds a little. Had the Dessau section been ready by then, I think perhaps they could have run at about 450. The record cars never got the chance to run at Dessau with their biggest engines though: Caracciola managed a whisker under 400km/h there with a 3 litre engine in 1939.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 18:00

Puts into perspective the WM teams attempts to reach 400 km/h at Le Mans on the pre chicane Mulsanne Straight back in the 1980's I remember on one occasion they put out a call on the tannoy to borrow some PRV V6 distributor parts from spectators so that they could complete their attempt :-)

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 19:40

That was one of the first things that came to my mind when I saw the Tachometer of the Veyron.

Short video of Caracciola in the 3l.


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Posted 26 July 2010 - 20:46

Short video of Caracciola in the 3l.


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Fab sound from that 'Merceedes' :-)

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 21:08

Is that wheel spin in 3rd gear?

#7 MichaelJP

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:05

Yes, Rosemeyer and Caracciola both ran at about 430km/h in January 1938. I didn't see the Veyron, but was this a straight track? There was a slight curve on the Frankfurt-Darmstadt Autobahn, so that - combined with less than perfect aerodynamics etc - restricted speeds a little. Had the Dessau section been ready by then, I think perhaps they could have run at about 450. The record cars never got the chance to run at Dessau with their biggest engines though: Caracciola managed a whisker under 400km/h there with a 3 litre engine in 1939.


Yes, the Veyron was on a straight track, actually the straight of a huge oval; the main VW test track. Not sure where it is.

Looking at the Top Gear segment, it might have made a nice film to make the link back to 1938 and the Auto Union, given the common heritage in that the Bugatti is VW/Audi engineered. Nice for TNF contributors anyway :)

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:30

Yes, the Veyron was on a straight track, actually the straight of a huge oval; the main VW test track. Not sure where it is.

Looking at the Top Gear segment, it might have made a nice film to make the link back to 1938 and the Auto Union, given the common heritage in that the Bugatti is VW/Audi engineered. Nice for TNF contributors anyway :)


That VW test track is at Ehra-Lessien which is a few km north of the VW HQ in Wolfsburg. I think I caught James May saying it was in the former East Germany which is wrong, though it isn't very far inside what used to be the border, probably almost within sight of the old watchtowers.

On the historical link, Top Gear's failure to make any connection rather surprised me as well, what an opportunity missed. I think that fairly good Senna tribute was the first thing of its kind they've ever done though, so maybe they're planning to gradually introduce the concept of history to their audience, many of whom must have been shocked to discover that 'Effwun' even existed in the days before Michael Schumacher.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:37

What was most impressive about the Bugatti piece is that it is, although not accessible to mere mortals, a ROAD car which is on sale. I wouldn't want those tyre bills at that frequency though.

I thought the Senna piece was excellent, and really good to see young Lewis Hamilton so VERY excited about driving the car of his dreams. I found myself agreeing with Clarkson's closing piece: I was a Villeneuve fan too, but looking back it is so obvious that Senna was simply something else entirely.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:39

On the historical link, Top Gear's failure to make any connection rather surprised me as well, what an opportunity missed. I think that fairly good Senna tribute was the first thing of its kind they've ever done though, so maybe they're planning to gradually introduce the concept of history to their audience, many of whom must have been shocked to discover that 'Effwun' even existed in the days before Michael Schumacher.


I'd suggest that the production team might not even be aware of the history. BBC F1 can only just manage a few wrong facts and Neubauerisms. Clearly the Beeb should employ a few TNFers to advise them. :)

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:45

It was at the Volkswagen testground in Ehry-Lessien. The track is actually no oval but a long straight with two wide u-turns. One lap there is about 20km/12.5miles long. The straight itself is about 8.8km/5.5miles long.
Found this satellite shot on virtual globetrotting

And BTW that is also where Kurt Ahrens crashed that Porsche 917 while testing.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:55

The track is actually no oval but a long straight with two wide u-turns.



It clearly is an oval, though a rather squashed one, possibly inspired by the old AVUS in Berlin. How could it not be an oval, you wouldn't want to meet anything coming the other way on that straight.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:05

You're right. I didn't zoom in that far.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 10:08

It clearly is an oval, though a rather squashed one, possibly inspired by the old AVUS in Berlin. How could it not be an oval, you wouldn't want to meet anything coming the other way on that straight.


You certainly wouldn't, but maybe it's only one car allowed on at a time for high speed testing?


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 12:25

looking back it is so obvious that Senna was simply something else entirely.

Yes, fortunately the TG piece reminded us that Senna was a psychopath who was fully capable of risking the death or injury of another driver if necessary to get his way. I prefer my heroes to be heroic so I will stick with Gilles thank you.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 12:37

Puts into perspective the WM teams attempts to reach 400 km/h at Le Mans on the pre chicane Mulsanne Straight back in the 1980's I remember on one occasion they put out a call on the tannoy to borrow some PRV V6 distributor parts from spectators so that they could complete their attempt :-)


The Veyron Supersport and the 'standard' Veyron are both awesome pieces of machinery, and 267 mph is definately nothing to be sniffed at, even more so considering they are road cars, as Hamish said.

However a racing car is a racing car, and the WM got close to that speed with a straight that was a mile shorter at least, didn't have a 125mph banked corner preceeding it, had a crown along the centre of the road, was only two lanes wide, and the car itself had at least 400 horsepower less than the Veyron...

I would love to see the Veyron in competition to see what it could do on the track but I guess it would be strangled to half of its power output by GT1 or similar rules.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 12:53

Yes, fortunately the TG piece reminded us that Senna was a psychopath who was fully capable of risking the death or injury of another driver if necessary to get his way. I prefer my heroes to be heroic so I will stick with Gilles thank you.


We're commenting on this in the wrong thread, but I agree with you 100%. I'd never deny that Senna was a phenomenon as far as talent was concerned, but I was never really a fan when he was racing, and the passage of time has not lessened my repugnance as far as many aspects of his behaviour are concerned. Even more off-topic, but I've never been a Schumacher fan for pretty much the same reasons, between them that pair have done more damage to motor racing ethics than any others, but sadly we're all stuck with their legacy. For all their unquestionable skill, they redefined WDC as 'World Drivers Cheat'.

Edited by kayemod, 27 July 2010 - 12:54.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:07

I agree absolutely with BRG and Rob. Senna, followed by Schumacher, set the driving standard in F1 at a new low that all those who have come after them now feel is the norm and perfectly acceptable. I can never forgive them for that.

Edited by Tim Murray, 27 July 2010 - 13:09.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:12

The Veyron Supersport and the 'standard' Veyron are both awesome pieces of machinery, and 267 mph is definately nothing to be sniffed at, even more so considering they are road cars, as Hamish said.

However a racing car is a racing car, and the WM got close to that speed with a straight that was a mile shorter at least, didn't have a 125mph banked corner preceeding it, had a crown along the centre of the road, was only two lanes wide, and the car itself had at least 400 horsepower less than the Veyron...

I would love to see the Veyron in competition to see what it could do on the track but I guess it would be strangled to half of its power output by GT1 or similar rules.




Well...

The Top gear guys once had the Stig running a Veyron on their track and it was then `only` the fourth fastest car ever on their track, despite its claimed 1001 hp making it the strongest car ever on the track.
For racing purposes the Veyron is simply entirely unsuitable since it is way too heavy and it is difficult to lighten it so much that it becomes a useful racing tool after all.

I recall that I have read somewhere (Bugatti experts can correct me...) that the engine and driveline alone was some 575 kgs!!
So even it it was strangled to, say some 600 hp or so (that is about GT1 and GTP level), then it still has to move around way too much weight to make it a decent race car.
The bug is, as far as I'm concerned, vell suited to leave everyting behind in a straight line and on highways with only very smooth highspeed turns.But if it comes to track racing it is left behind by anumber of other supercars that are built with a bit more sense than Piëch's obsession to have a car that's faster than 400 km/h.

Henri





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#20 Henri Greuter

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:13

I agree absolutely with BRG and Rob. Senna, followed by Schumacher, set the driving standard in F1 at a new low that all those who have come after them now feel is the norm and perfectly acceptable. I can never forgive them for that.



I'm with you on this one too.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:16

Well...

The Top gear guys once had the Stig running a Veyron on their track and it was then `only` the fourth fastest car ever on their track, despite its claimed 1001 hp making it the strongest car ever on the track. For racing purposes the Veyron is simply entirely unsuitable since it is way too heavy and it is difficult to lighten it so much that it becomes a useful racing tool after all.

I recall that I have read somewhere (Bugatti experts can correct me...) that the engine and driveline alone was some 575 kgs!!
So even it it was strangled to, say some 600 hp or so (that is about GT1 and GTP level), then it still has to move around way too much weight to make it a decent race car.
The bug is, as far as I'm concerned, vell suited to leave everyting behind in a straight line and on highways with only very smooth highspeed turns.But if it comes to track racing it is left behind by anumber of other supercars that are built with a bit more sense than Piëch's obsession to have a car that's faster than 400 km/h.

Henri


Well on Sunday the SS version took the TG absolute track record. However I would expect over ten laps it would have trashed its tyres compared to a lighter car. The Veyron is an amazing feat of engineering but I agree that it could never be a race car.

Having said that, I would pay good money to see a Veyron one-make series race around the classic tracks of the world:)


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:30

Well on Sunday the SS version took the TG absolute track record. However I would expect over ten laps it would have trashed its tyres compared to a lighter car. The Veyron is an amazing feat of engineering but I agree that it could never be a race car.

Having said that, I would pay good money to see a Veyron one-make series race around the classic tracks of the world:)




OK, I hadn´t seen that yet, I´m not British..

But theres a big problem left for a Veyron race± They will be sprint events.
The old Veyron, when driven at 407 km-h emptied its fuel tanks in 12 minutes and I can´t imagine that it being driven on a track will be capable of racning for much longer then half an hour or thereabout.
If spriint racing is your game it may be fun but otherwise...



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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:33

I agree absolutely with BRG and Rob. Senna, followed by Schumacher, set the driving standard in F1 at a new low that all those who have come after them now feel is the norm and perfectly acceptable. I can never forgive them for that.


They started the snowball rolling down the hill, but I think 90% of the blame lies with the generation of stewards and clerks of the course who didn't crack down on this behaviour at every level of racing. Your average F3 race is multiple times more savage than a Grand Prix. It gets so bad sometimes you can only laugh at the chaos.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:37

They started the snowball rolling down the hill, but I think 90% of the blame lies with the generation of stewards and clerks of the course who didn't crack down on this behaviour at every level of racing. Your average F3 race is multiple times more savage than a Grand Prix. It gets so bad sometimes you can only laugh at the chaos.


Best we leave GP2 + 3 out of it as well.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 13:49

They started the snowball rolling down the hill, but I think 90% of the blame lies with the generation of stewards and clerks of the course who didn't crack down on this behaviour at every level of racing. Your average F3 race is multiple times more savage than a Grand Prix. It gets so bad sometimes you can only laugh at the chaos.



I wonder how much of that current behaviour is inspired because of Senna being idolized by many of those kids because `his manners` worked for him at that time and since he got away with it too, those kids taking over what worked for their hero.
All this supportedwith the fact that MS proved it did work indeed....



Oops....
Do we give those two villains the honor of letting a thread about the Veyron to derail? Is that thing not enough reason for complains and critisizm in itself?


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 14:55

I don't recall Top Gear ever going into any detail about the life of Pierre Veyron. It could be a nice casual aside, and given how much they wax lyrical about the Bugatti Veyron, surely he's due a bit more than a throwaway mention that the car was named after him?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 15:00

OK, I hadn´t seen that yet, I´m not British..
But theres a big problem left for a Veyron race± They will be sprint events.
The old Veyron, when driven at 407 km-h emptied its fuel tanks in 12 minutes and I can´t imagine that it being driven on a track will be capable of racning for much longer then half an hour or thereabout.
If spriint racing is your game it may be fun but otherwise...
henri


What I would like to see is how fast the thing is around the Nordschleife. Of course it may not have enough fuel or tyres to do a flying lap:)


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 15:14

Oops....
Do we give those two villains the honor of letting a thread about the Veyron to derail?


Henri



I agree, we shouldn't be discussing Senna & Scumacher's ethics in this thread, but BRG started it by marching on Poland...

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 15:57

I agree, we shouldn't be discussing Senna & Scumacher's ethics in this thread, but BRG started it by marching on Poland...

Only because I'd restrained myself ...

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:19

How can one possibly 'derail' a thread on something so appallingly ugly and technically useless as the Veyron from 'Bugatti'???? :confused:

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:24

BRG started it by marching on Poland...

I vos only followink orders..

Forcibly returning to the Veyron theme, it is interesting that VAG/Bugatti only seem to trust Captain Slow to max out their cars. But perhaps the Hamster is wary of high speed runs after his nasty accident and Clarkson probably gets bored going in a straight line. I imagine the methodical and meticulous James May may gell better with the German work culture anyway.

Also, can i just opine that Porsche built a car forty years ago with less half the the power that went as almost as fast and looked 1000 times better than the fugly Veyron. If I was given a Veyron, I would have it up for auction in a flash. If I was given a 917, I would lick it clean every morning.

Edited by BRG, 27 July 2010 - 16:25.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:24

I have it on very good authority that the Veyron in it's original guise has been lapped around the Nordschleife I'll see if i can get a time :-)

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:28

How can one possibly 'derail' a thread on something so appallingly ugly and technically useless as the Veyron from 'Bugatti'???? :confused:

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Since it has the characteristics of a train, derailing seems apt.

#34 MichaelJP

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:30

How can one possibly 'derail' a thread on something so appallingly ugly and technically useless as the Veyron from 'Bugatti'???? :confused:
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Actually, the original point of my thread was not so much the gloriously pointless Veyron but to hark back to 1938 and the amazing speeds achieved back then.

Now as for the questionable racing ethics of Schumacher and Senna, now that's worthy of a thread in itself. Then again, maybe there is one already:)


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 16:34

Now as for the questionable racing ethics of Schumacher and Senna, now that's worthy of a thread in itself. Then again, maybe there is one already:)


In fact, almost certainly a number of them, take your pick.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 17:52

I suspect the truth of it all is that we are deeply absorbed by and interested in a gloriously pointless sector of human activity...chasing one another round in circles.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 18:05

...a gloriously pointless sector of human activity...chasing one another round in circles.

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It may well be pointless Doug, but it paid for your loft extension.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 18:24

Err - only after an extensive programme of reprocessing... :cool:

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 18:43

While I am waiting to hear back about the Veyron's time round the Nordschleife, I was idly wondering if the good people at Bristol Cars were in any way shape of form even vaguely tempted to let the Bristol Fighter T off it's 225 mph 4500 rpm rev limiter to verify its theoretical maximum speed against an actual maximum speed ?

But somehow I doubt it, that's not really Bristol's style is it ?

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#40 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 19:28

Interesting juxtaposition there...

Bristol.

Style??

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#41 Phil Rainford

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 19:52

"Veyron Tyres Last Just 37 Miles at Top Whack"

"While everyone else was drooling over the Bugatti Veyron Super Sports’s jaw dropping 267 mph (431 km/h) performance on the BBC’s Top Gear programme last night, Tyres & Accessories was observing the tyre geek angle – at those kinds of speeds even the best tyres simply don’t last very long.

During his report, May pointed out that Bugatti engineers had told him the car’s tyres lasted for around 37 miles a speeds of up to 258 mph (414 km/h). At speeds beyond this, however, the tyres’ life expectancy is somewhat more opaque: “Ask an admiral how deep his submarine goes,” Top Gear’s May was told"



Worked this out that at 267 mph the Veyron would need a set of tyres every 8.34 minutes..... wonder if they are on offer at Kwik-Fit this month? :)

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Edited by Phil Rainford, 27 July 2010 - 19:53.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 21:04

Pirelli's would last longer, eh Phil? :cool:

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 21:14

Interesting juxtaposition there...

Bristol.

Style??

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Given a choice between the only two production road legal vehicles with a genuine 250 mph plus capability namely the Fighter T and the Veyron, I quite fancy the low profile under the radar style of the Bristol in favour of the

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'inflatable that just fell out of Victoria Beckhams handbag IN YOUR EXPLETIVE FACE BLING!'[/url] style of the Bugatti anyday.

I bet the Bristol attracts neither the attention of law enforcement officials, nor multitudinous crowds of fawning RIF RAF either :-)


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Posted 28 July 2010 - 07:43

How can one possibly 'derail' a thread on something so appallingly ugly and technically useless as the Veyron from 'Bugatti'???? :confused:

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Late comment on that one due to circumstances Doug.
But my answer on this question of you should be: Because, like the Veyron, the items/subjects that derailed the thread had some ugly aspects too....



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#45 MichaelJP

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 09:16

Now that's interesting, I never knew the Bristol Fighter T had such a capability.

I once visited the factory; my friend is a fan and has three Bristols of different vintages. We were met by a nice chap at the factory door in one of those brown shop coats you see in old photographs. It was like going back in time. With all due respect to their engineering capabilities I wonder what speed they have actually tested it to?


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Posted 28 July 2010 - 09:35

Say, if someone wanted to enter a Veyron at LeMans, what class would it run in?





#47 Henri Greuter

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 09:43

Say, if someone wanted to enter a Veyron at LeMans, what class would it run in?



The only option I can think is what was this year the GT2 cattegorty since the GT1's will disapear as from next year on.

But how to make an engine built for 1001 and more HP to produce only between 500 and 600 or so HP as what they are permitted to have at the very best?
It won't be underweight but that's about it.....
No, for sports duties there is simply nothing in which the Veyron fits. Kind of trying to find a suitable gymnastics event for a WWF wrestler.


Henri.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 28 July 2010 - 10:34.


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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:26

I wonder what speed they have actually tested it to?


No idea, but I'm putting both hands up to volunteer to find out what the Fighter T is capable of with the rev limiter switched off :clap:

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:37

Say, if someone wanted to enter a Veyron at LeMans, what class would it run in?


Even if it ran in it's own Veyron Class at Le Mans it would guzzle petrol and chew it's tyres up so fast as to be completely un competitive with anything else.

The Veyron is a hairdressers boulevard cruiser something to be seen in, all show despite its impressive edge of technology capabilities its really only usefull for impressing your friends down at the McDonalds drive thru :-)

I suspect in a flat out race with even a relatively pedestrian Porsche 911 from Munich to Hamburg the Bugatti would be so busy refuelling at every service station en route the Porsche would easily arrive first.

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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:53

Even if it ran in it's own Veyron Class at Le Mans it would guzzle petrol and chew it's tyres up so fast as to be completely un competitive with anything else.

The Veyron is a hairdressers boulevard cruiser something to be seen in, all show despite its impressive edge of technology capabilities its really only usefull for impressing your friends down at the McDonalds drive thru :-)

I suspect in a flat out race with even a relatively pedestrian Porsche 911 from Munich to Hamburg the Bugatti would be so busy refuelling at every service station en route the Porsche would easily arrive first.


MacDonalds in a 1m+ Euro motor car?!!

Anyway, the race would be an interesting problem, I think Top Gear should test that in the next series.