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#51 webmeesterB

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:56

I say that Barrichello should be banned for what he did to Schumacher while overtaking.

FACTS

1)Schumacher had one legal move to cross and block, which he did. You can cross 1cm or 10 meters, its your say and its legal.

2)Barrichello saw that he had no room but he still tried to get past the pit lane entry line and grass and almost nearly took Schumacher out. Schumacher had to move to left to save himself.

3)Any other driver could have immediately moved to left and overtake Schumi making a clean and a very good overtaking move but Barrichello had some grudges against Schumi.

This is a sad day today. I say we all write a petition to FIA to heavily reprimand Barrichello and ban him for a couple of races so he does not do this again


:confused: I think Stevie Wonder has better eyesight :confused:

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#52 baddog

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:56

Kind of a cheap move by Michael, there was no way anyone could have kept the Williams behind on those tyres, and he would have been better of lettin git go easier. However they didnt touch and he jinked left when Rubens needed him to to make the corner, so meh. Probably get a 5 place grid penalty for the next race anyway, because the stewards like to show their strength any time a championship contender is not involved.

Rubens needs to stop whining like a little girl on the radio though ;)

#53 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

Give me worse incidents. List them.


Any incident where the drivers touched ?

#54 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

Id like to see the overhead to see the exact positioning, but otherwise it's hard to excuse Michael.

#55 Nasty McBastard

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

dey see me trollin. dey hatin.

#56 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

Rubens asked for it i am sorry and he should of known what was coming. but its true. It was hard racing.

#57 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

The main anti-Rubens argument appears to be 'well the gap was small'.

It wasn't when he entered it, Schumi then proceeded to flick the steering wheel into making it a tiny gap when Rubens was already almost all the way alongside. Please take off the rose tinted glasses.

#58 RedBaron

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

No freaking way did he leave enough room. The fact that the pit wall ended just in time was the only thing that saved Rubens from a massive accident. The worst part is MS planned it. You could see him looking at the right hand mirror all through the incident.


The worst part is Barrichello didn't lift off when he knew that would happen as much as Schumacher did. Rubens was equally poor, he chopped back in a much more aggressive move.

Schumacher made one move gradually over the track, Barrichello chopped back right in front of Schumacher... who cares if Schumacher just chopped him, he cannot complain then do exactly the same thing back.

#59 grandelinquent

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

Sarcasm or Idiotcy..?


No, just FACTS :rotfl:

mani1, your wheelbarrow is ready, Sir.

Edited by grandelinquent, 01 August 2010 - 14:06.


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#60 Ali_G

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:57

This thread is what is wrong with Readers Comments these days.

This thread is laughable.

#61 primer

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:58

As predicted. Just once it would be nice if people used their brains instead of heart when discussing such matters. :well:

I do not agree with mani1's advocacy for a penalty on Rubens, but technically his argument is sound. Not that I like what MS did and want to defend it. I suspect the stewards will have a clearer head on the matter and Schumacher should escape with nothing more than a useless 'reprimand' or warning. Let's see.

Edited by primer, 01 August 2010 - 14:02.


#62 Flyhigh

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:58

Oh Man you got a love it, what a trowback was this race. This is amazingto see how life goes in circles. What comes around goes around....lol

#63 Tarzaan

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:58

No freaking way did he leave enough room. The fact that the pit wall ended just in time was the only thing that saved Rubens from a massive accident. The worst part is MS planned it. You could see him looking at the right hand mirror all through the incident.



But Rubens has to realize that he has no room in left. It was his decision to try it.

#64 CoolFiltered

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:58

It was racing :smoking:


It was atrocious, and the stewards should make an example of him.


#65 as65p

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:58

Well I guess the old man has found a way to make his mark despite being slow as a goalpost.

Good job polishing his legacy. :up: :p



#66 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:59

This thread is what is wrong with Readers Comments these days.

This thread is laughable.



Give examples?

#67 Massacrator

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:59

You just can't take someone out, and Rubens was 10cm. from the wall. He could have died if he crashed.

After all, you have a rules to obvey, but you can't never leave out the common sense...

#68 RedBaron

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:59

Give me worse incidents. List them.


Let's not drag up numerous incidents adding the names Senna, Prost etc etc to this topic won't help, just use your brain.

#69 SparkPlug

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 13:59

The worst part is Barrichello didn't lift off when he knew that would happen as much as Schumacher did. Rubens was equally poor, he chopped back in a much more aggressive move.

Schumacher made one move gradually over the track, Barrichello chopped back right in front of Schumacher... who cares if Schumacher just chopped him, he cannot complain then do exactly the same thing back.

Barrichello didnt chop back, you're wrong. Schumacher voluntarily moved to the side when he saw Barrichello on the grass, inorder to avoid a potential crash at 320k

#70 rolf123

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:00

No freaking way did he leave enough room. The fact that the pit wall ended just in time was the only thing that saved Rubens from a massive accident. The worst part is MS planned it. You could see him looking at the right hand mirror all through the incident.


You could argue that Schumi executed the perfect move then and planned it that way. Pushed Barichello to within millimetres of the wall. Nobody touched.

I'd be amazed if there was a penalty for an incident where cars don't even touch. It wasn't a blocking move so what was it? A game of chicken and nothing else. Schumi squeezed him but Barichello was not "forced" to do anything.

If you believe he was "forced" then Alonso should never have gotten a penalty at Silverstone for being "forced" off the track.


#71 Elloh

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:00

Schumacher made one move, he DID start moving right before Barrichello was alongside, so... hard racing.


Schumi has to give ENOUGH room, if the wall had continued Barri would hit it.
If a car is alongside you can keep turning against the wall, please turn off your fan-boyism to Schumacher for one day.

#72 ivand911

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:00

Barichelo can just lift his foot, nobody make him go in the grass. He have choice. He decided to continue. Reprimand sounds OK. Rubens was 3-4 sec faster.

#73 Touti

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:00

At nearly 300 km/h you don't force another car toward a concrete wall when you're a normal human being.

#74 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:00

20 years. You?



Ok so was it crazier than Senna in 90?

#75 wingwalker

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:01

My heart actually stopped while I was watching this, there was a moment when a bit of dirt was in the air and I thought that's part of Rubens car hitting the wall and that would have been almighty crash at that speed. Schumacher will surely be mouthed off at next drivers meeting, that was way beyond the line.

#76 olliek88

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:01

I love watching aggression in motoracing aswell as determination to fight for something, but, no matter how aggressive some drivers on the grid are when it comes to fighting for a place, 23 of them know the limits, one doesn't.

#77 Johnrambo

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:01

Schumacher's super license should be rewoked for that murderous move. :mad:

#78 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:01

Barichelo can just lift his foot, nobody make him go in the grass. He have choice. He decided to continue. Reprimand sounds OK. Rubens was 3-4 sec faster.



Exactly just what Senna used to do am going to leave it to you to see what happens

#79 primer

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:01

Michael moved LATE -- that's the problem.


He is old and his reflexes are not what they used to be, what else were you expecting? :p

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#80 Darth Sidious

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:02

One race ban or ten place grid drop for dangerous crowding of another competitor toward a concrete wall and running him off track. Sooner or later this crowding malarkey is going to result in a collossal crash.

pour encourager les autres.

#81 se7en_24

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:02

As predicted. Just once it would be nice if people used their brains instead of heart when discussing such matters. :well:

I do not agree with mani1's advocacy for a penalty on Rubens, but technically his argument is sound. Not that I like what MS did and want to defend it. I suspect the stewards will have a clearer head on the matter and Schumacher should escape with nothing more than a useless 'reprimand' or warning. Let's see.

At least you admit the move was wrong then.

#82 RedBaron

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:02

Dumb first post.

60/40 Schumacher's fault but racing incident, nothing more. He made one move, Barrichello knew he'd make it, he radioed a lap earlier saying so, so he knew what he was in for. He could have lifted when he saw the gap disappearing, he chose not to. That's racing.

Next.

#83 ivand911

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:02

Barichelo say it was tough battle.

#84 Tarzaan

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:02

Schumi has to give ENOUGH room, if the wall had continued Barri would hit it.
If a car is alongside you can keep turning against the wall, please turn off your fan-boyism to Schumacher for one day.



He give enough room on the other side...

#85 rolf123

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:03

The main anti-Rubens argument appears to be 'well the gap was small'.

It wasn't when he entered it, Schumi then proceeded to flick the steering wheel into making it a tiny gap when Rubens was already almost all the way alongside. Please take off the rose tinted glasses.


Well there's always the risk of that whenever you enter a small channel. You know that it could become even smaller even if you are already alongside.


#86 Urawa

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:03



Where was the penalty for that?

#87 as65p

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:03

It's touching how every true Schumacher fans seems to harbour a secret love for Senna. On days like this it just breaks through, they can't stop talking about him... :drunk:

#88 man

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:04

M Schumacher = the slow dirty old man of F1. Even Rene Arnoux had more respect in 1989. Merc pr department have a tough enough job making up excuses for M Schumachers slow driving while being outclassed by Rosberg. CNow they have to deal with even more negative publicity with his disgusting antics at the Hungaroring against the driver that did so much for him as his number 2. He is going to be pushed before he walks ;)

#89 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:04

Dumb first post.

60/40 Schumacher's fault but racing incident, nothing more.

Next.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You are being serious, aren`t you?

#90 RedBaron

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:05

They didn't crash, the Red Bull's crashed when they did something similar. So what's the discussion? Nothing happened here.

#91 Ali_G

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:05

Give examples?



Examples of what ?

There was a time when RC was full of reasoned debate, without fanboyism and without flame wars. This thread is something else.

#92 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:05

It's touching how every true Schumacher fans seems to harbour a secret love for Senna. On days like this it just breaks through, they can't stop talking about him... :drunk:



He was one of the best what do u expect. He will never be forgotten. Were do you think MS gets his infuences from.

#93 Jimisgod

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:06

The worst part is Barrichello didn't lift off when he knew that would happen as much as Schumacher did. Rubens was equally poor, he chopped back in a much more aggressive move.

Schumacher made one move gradually over the track, Barrichello chopped back right in front of Schumacher... who cares if Schumacher just chopped him, he cannot complain then do exactly the same thing back.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: What the ****, apparently moving off the grass so you don't slam into the wall at 330km/h is a "chop back" in your eyes?! How the **** is that just as bad as swerving over (albeit in one move) to push another driver against the wall?!

#94 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:06

Let's not drag up numerous incidents adding the names Senna, Prost etc etc to this topic won't help, just use your brain.

None of their moves was as dangerous and crazy as this one today, with maybe the exception of Suzuka 1990.


Ok so was it crazier than Senna in 90?

So only 1 incident that you regard as dangerous as the one schumacher pulled today?

#95 libano

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:06

It was a super hard move by MS but he went straight for the inside, except that Rubens showed balls of steel and didn't back off. This is exactly the kind of racing i want to see more, not less of. Guys putting it all on the line. Spectacle. Danger. Burnt rubber. Yeah!

Respect to Rubens, big cojones!

#96 Amrl

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:07

Let's see if Schumacher has the sense to re-retire before he kills someone.

#97 Willow Rosenberg

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:07

People were quite clear that Alonso deserved a penalty for passing Kubica off the track, and yet here they are defending Rubens for doing the same thing. A clear case of anti-Ferrari/Schumi bias, I'd say. :)

#98 primer

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:07

At least you admit the move was wrong then.


It was 'morally' wrong, but technically there was nothing wrong about it. Schumacher played by the FIA's rules, but since there is a general feeling of hostility against such agressive driving, he will get some verbal warning.

#99 RedBaron

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:08

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You are being serious, aren`t you?


If the positions were reversed and Schumacher had have dived inside Rubens and the same had happened you all would be shouting Schumacher was crazy, dangerous he doesn't know when to lift off.

Hard racing from Schumacher... but no collision, others have collided in the same position. People chop all the time, why don't you start a topic raging at Vettel for chopping Alonso in Germany at the start? There was a wall involved too.

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#100 Wouter

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:08

Horrible, horrible manoevre from Schumacher. Was that necessary, for 10th place and against his old teammate? This should get a stiff sanction. It could easily have been a major accident.