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#101 mkoscevic

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:08

That move fits perfectly with Schumacher.

However, since it's Schumacher, it automatically gets 200% more attention by everyone involved in F1 in any way.

That kind of move isn't correct, yet it's being done by drivers and it can't be controlled. Why? F1 is very competitive, it means levels of ego mindset are very high and for some drivers sometimes it becomes uncontrolable.

Webber and Schumacher do these kind of moves more often then other drivers.

As for public reactions; for some it's very exciting racing, majority had full pants of s*it.

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#102 Sinister

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:08

Examples of what ?

There was a time when RC was full of reasoned debate, without fanboyism and without flame wars. This thread is something else.

Surely this just a case ridiculous sarcasm by the OP?

Really, how does anyone justify Schumi's actions?

#103 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:08

None of their moves was as dangerous and crazy as this one today, with maybe the exception of Suzuka 1990.



So only 1 incident that you regard as dangerous as the one schumacher pulled today?


No No theres been more. its called hard defensive driving. It was Rubens's choice to go for it.

#104 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:09

If the positions were reversed and Schumacher had have dived inside Rubens and the same had happened you all would be shouting Schumacher was crazy, dangerous he doesn't know when to lift off.

Hard racing from Schumacher... but no collision, others have collided in the same position. People chop all the time, why don't you start a topic raging at Vettel for chopping Alonso in Germany at the start? There was a wall involved too.

Because Alonso was not 2 cm from the wall.

I have critisised moves like this before and this one was probably the worst I have ever seen in F1.

#105 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:09

Let's see if Schumacher has the sense to re-retire before he kills someone.


So all the drivers that touched should be banned/retire because they almost killed another driver?

Simple facts are : Michael left enough room. His move to the left was according to the rules.

Edited by Diablobb81, 01 August 2010 - 14:10.


#106 Massa_f1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:09



Honestly the board shot really makes it not look that bad.

Edited by Massa_f1, 01 August 2010 - 14:10.


#107 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:10

It was 'morally' wrong, but technically there was nothing wrong about it.


The rule is one move right? So is that one in any direction or you can only move in the same direction, because he moves and then moves some more when Rubens gets into that space. Praps the rules need clearing up.

#108 EVO2

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:10

This was one of the worst incidents I can recall in recent years - principally because it was very dangerous, completely unnecessary ( because the Williams was so much faster ) but, worse, because it was a considered and deliberate move across when Rubens was already alongside.

What on earth could MS have thought he was doing ?



#109 Vitesse2

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:10

It was 'morally' wrong, but technically there was nothing wrong about it.

You mean apart from pushing him over the white line and across the pit lane exit? Rubens would have wiped out anybody coming out of the pits.

#110 undersquare

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:11

Ban.

These posts claiming other drivers are equally bad - utter rubbish. MS is uniquely dangerous. He should go.

#111 ivand911

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:11

Honestly the board shot really makes it not look that bad.

Please don't say that, we need posts here in this thread. To make some pages.

Edited by ivand911, 01 August 2010 - 14:15.


#112 Amrl

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:12

Schumi says it was Rubens' fault.

#113 Ali_G

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:12

Surely this just a case ridiculous sarcasm by the OP?

Really, how does anyone justify Schumi's actions?


I'm an MS fan.

MS could drive accross the track if he wanted to, but he had to leave Barrichello enough space so that he wasn't in danger of hitting the wall.

What MS did was dangerous. If a rookie driver did it he's be looking at a race ban. Think of Irvine at Brazil 1994. When he moved accross the track, he forced Verstappen off it and caused a major accident.

#114 Urawa

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:12



Where was the penalty for that?


No answer, I´m not surprised

#115 jack_rabbit

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:13

Schum should retire before it was too late for him or the others !

Same thought 1 month later

#116 arknor

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:13

Schumi says it was Rubens' fault.

he does?

he said he was slowly drifting to the inside and he left the outside open for barrichello who choose not to take it.

Edited by arknor, 01 August 2010 - 14:13.


#117 Johnrambo

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:13

Repulsive reaction from MS in the BBC interview. :down:

#118 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:13

Schumi says it was Rubens' fault.


He didn't say that on RTL.

He said he believed he left enough room. He also said he will look at the footage and see if he's right.

#119 Motormedia

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

The regulations also state that a driver is not allowed to squeeze another driver. A crash at that speed can endanger not only the drivers but marshalls and spectators too.

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#120 Korben82

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

The famous Schumacher chop, which we all have seen many times before. This time, 5 cm more to the right and Rubens could have died. But hey, it's Schumy, so he can put people's lives at risk no problem.

Real good having you back, Michael. Let's hope he hasn't killed anybody by the time he recognizes what a failure his comeback was and decides to call it even.

#121 mani1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

Most of the members here need to read the RULES, specifically with respect to overtaking moves and general guidelines regarding the pit line exit and the white line. Anyone who has read the rules would know that Schumacher's move was perfectly legal while Barrichello made a dangerous move causing potential harm to Schumacher and any other car who would be exiting the pits at that time.



#122 se7en_24

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

People were quite clear that Alonso deserved a penalty for passing Kubica off the track, and yet here they are defending Rubens for doing the same thing. A clear case of anti-Ferrari/Schumi bias, I'd say. :)

I suggest you go back and read some of Niall's posts regarding that incident for one.

#123 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

I hope Schumacher receives a strong penalty for this. He could have caused a massive accident here as Barrichello was pushed within an inch of the wall and MS's wheels.


Edited by halifaxf1fan, 01 August 2010 - 14:20.


#124 Paul Prost

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

Let's see if Schumacher has the sense to re-retire before he kills someone.

Agree.

I think Schumacher needs to go back to his retirement home before he finally succeeds in killing someone.

#125 Umpire

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:14

The move was marginal, but I think RB had a clear view of the diminishing gap. He could have chosen not to pursue it. It's not like Schumacher changed direction, he only moved towards the wall. After the wall, there's the pit exit and grass. Not Schumacher's problem that RB chose a route which eventually put him off the track...

Hard racing.

Edited by Umpire, 01 August 2010 - 14:16.


#126 SparkPlug

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

Lol no matter what the stewards decide (which I think SHOULD BE a penalty), Schumacher just pwned Barrichello on live TV there :rotfl:

That was one of the funniest rebuttals from Schumacher I've heard in a long long time. That is going to have Barrichello really cranky now

#127 rolf123

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

I'm an MS fan.

MS could drive accross the track if he wanted to, but he had to leave Barrichello enough space so that he wasn't in danger of hitting the wall.

What MS did was dangerous. If a rookie driver did it he's be looking at a race ban. Think of Irvine at Brazil 1994. When he moved accross the track, he forced Verstappen off it and caused a major accident.


Sure, but in F1 you don't get punished for something that might happen. You get punished (like Irvine) if you really do cause something to happen.

Schumi deserves no penalty. I'll be happy if he gets just a slap on the wrist. Gotta remember that Boobens has moaned his entire career.


#128 arknor

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

The famous Schumacher chop, which we all have seen many times before. This time, 5 cm more to the right and Rubens could have died. But hey, it's Schumy, so he can put people's lives at risk no problem.

Real good having you back, Michael. Let's hope he hasn't killed anybody by the time he recognizes what a failure his comeback was and decides to call it even.

its the "vettel chop"

#129 primer

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

The rule is one move right? So is that one in any direction or you can only move in the same direction, because he moves and then moves some more when Rubens gets into that space. Praps the rules need clearing up.


No, your understanding needs a refreshing. The rules do allow for driver to return back and take optimal line for upcoming corner.

Edited by primer, 01 August 2010 - 14:19.


#130 prty

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

Simple facts are : Michael left enough room. His move to the left was according to the rules.


He didn't leave enough room, and his move was to the right.

Maybe those facts weren't as simple as you though  ;)


#131 mtknot

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

Lol no matter what the stewards decide (which I think SHOULD BE a penalty), Schumacher just pwned Barrichello on live TV there :rotfl:

That was one of the funniest rebuttals from Schumacher I've heard in a long long time. That is going to have Barrichello really cranky now


what did he say?

#132 mani1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:15

The regulations also state that a driver is not allowed to squeeze another driver. A crash at that speed can endanger not only the drivers but marshalls and spectators too.


You prove that you don't have a single clue of regulations. Technically, a squeeze occurs when two drivers are going side by side and NOT when a driver is behind. Get your facts straight

#133 NeilMick

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:16

What a disgusting human being

#134 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:16

Just some perspective :


#135 primer

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:16

You mean apart from pushing him over the white line and across the pit lane exit? Rubens would have wiped out anybody coming out of the pits.


I do not like that either, but all that is allowed in current rules. Perhaps the rules can be updated so that guys on track cannot cross the white line either, just like guys exiting the pitlane.

#136 stevewf1

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:17

Look, all Barrichello has to do is hook a front wheel inside of Schumacher's rear wheel and *poof* off he goes...



#137 SparkPlug

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:17

what did he say?

"We all know what certain drivers think about racing, and then there's Rubens"

LMAO then Barrichello just dug his own grave :
"Michael thinks I am always crying, (looking at the camera) do you think so too ? Please answer me on my twitter page"

That was one of the highlights of the season :rotfl:

#138 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:17

He didn't leave enough room, and his move was to the right.

Maybe those facts weren't as simple as you though ;)


Did Barri crash? No, so it's enough room.

Of course i meant move to the right.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:18

The pitlane incident was for more dangerous with all those unprotected mechanics around, 10 second stop go that's all.

If Schumacher receives a big penalty for that racing incident then that's absurd. There was no contact. The Red Bulls collided.

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#140 Motormedia

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:18

You prove that you don't have a single clue of regulations. Technically, a squeeze occurs when two drivers are going side by side and NOT when a driver is behind. Get your facts straight


Freeze the frames on the video and see for yourself then. "Technically" Schumacher keeps moving over when Barrichello is inside of him.

#141 Stuko

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

Rubens on TV: "He is crazy" "It´s sad 3 years later he is back to do things like this"

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

The pitlane incident was for more dangerous with all those unprotected mechanics around, 10 second stop go that's all.

There is a huge difference between an accident/mishap and something intentional.

Edited by se7en_24, 01 August 2010 - 14:19.


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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

he does?

he said he was slowly drifting to the inside and he left the outside open for barrichello who choose not to take it.

how do you "leave the outside open" for a driver who's already alongside you?

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

My heart actually stopped while I was watching this, there was a moment when a bit of dirt was in the air and I thought that's part of Rubens car hitting the wall and that would have been almighty crash at that speed. Schumacher will surely be mouthed off at next drivers meeting, that was way beyond the line.


+1

That was disgusting to the nth degree. There's hard racing, then there's trying to kill someone. That was 1.5 inches from a massive, massive crash.

#145 baddog

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

What MS did was dangerous. If a rookie driver did it he's be looking at a race ban. Think of Irvine at Brazil 1994. When he moved accross the track, he forced Verstappen off it and caused a major accident.


Yes but they stopped penalising drivers with race bans for that kind of thing over 10 years ago.. But even then I dont recall a ban for anyone ever (going back 30 years) who didnt actualy cause an accident or contact. It was a cheap move I agree, or alternatively a definite error of judgement of the gap, but there isnt really any precedent for penalising such moves, which are not so rare as some like to pretend.

#146 Cheap Wine Alesi

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

Lol no matter what the stewards decide (which I think SHOULD BE a penalty), Schumacher just pwned Barrichello on live TV there :rotfl:

That was one of the funniest rebuttals from Schumacher I've heard in a long long time. That is going to have Barrichello really cranky now

what did he say

#147 arknor

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

Did Barri crash? No, so it's enough room.

Of course i meant move to the right.

if it was hamilton people would be saying "this is what we want to see agressive driving"

but its schumacher so automaticly implies a lifetime ban

#148 prty

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:19

1)Schumacher had one legal move to cross and block, which he did. You can cross 1cm or 10 meters, its your say and its legal.


I know it's stupid to answer but he has to make that move before they are alongside.


#149 NHK244V

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:20

Is it the school holidays already :(

#150 Disgrace

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 14:20

Schumacher is an absolute menace on track.

He hasn't done anything illegal but likewise, his conduct is poor. In Canada against Kubica and Liuzzi and now here against Rubens.

He simply cannot stand being overtaken and he's driving like a grumpy old man.

The fans can defend him because he did nothing illegal in terms of making moves but it's poor sportsmanship against your fellow driver. Such a precedent set that if he gets away with it, the drivers could feel free to do GP2-style banzai moves without punishment.