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#401 munks

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 18:25

Anybody interested in the old Willow Run plant?

Willow Run Development Open House

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#402 Magoo

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 20:13

Anybody interested in the old Willow Run plant?

Willow Run Development Open House


I was going to head over there today for the presentation but I had business on the other side of town.

I'd love to do a piece on Willow Run. It's a great story. Just a few of the fun facts:

-This was the plant built to produce one B-24 Liberator four-engine bomber per hour
-an entire township was built virtually overnight to house the workers
-Henry Ford bent the plant layout into a giant L to benefit one county in taxes and voter rolls at the expense of another
-after the war it became the Kaiser-Frazer plant, then Corvair, among many other uses over the years
-the large airport is now the home of Connie Kalitta's private air force of 747s.

Would people be interested in such a story? In the meantime, a few photos, etc. First, the plant facade as I photographed it this spring; the bomber line; the manufactured village of Willow Run with streets and buildings:

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#403 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:31

I was going to head over there today for the presentation but I had business on the other side of town.

I'd love to do a piece on Willow Run. It's a great story. Just a few of the fun facts:

-This was the plant built to produce one B-24 Liberator four-engine bomber per hour
-an entire township was built virtually overnight to house the workers
-Henry Ford bent the plant layout into a giant L to benefit one county in taxes and voter rolls at the expense of another
-after the war it became the Kaiser-Frazer plant, then Corvair, among many other uses over the years
-the large airport is now the home of Connie Kalitta's private air force of 747s.

Would people be interested in such a story? In the meantime, a few photos, etc. First, the plant facade as I photographed it this spring; the bomber line; the manufactured village of Willow Run with streets and buildings:

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Go for it. This stuff is very interesting to me. The rise and fall of the US industry. And the war years to me in some respects is beyond comprehension. The plants they built, the advances in engineering and mechanisation. And just getting the labor force to do it all.
Similar, though on a smaller scale happened here in Oz too with both Ford and GMH.
And it too must have happened in the UK.
And ofcourse in Germany and its allies too.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:56

Is that production rate right? one per hour seems very fast in the aircraft biz, i know, but 4 engines per hour is no biggy.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 06:38

Is that production rate right? one per hour seems very fast in the aircraft biz, i know, but 4 engines per hour is no biggy.



Remains a controversial claim to this day. The plant ran impressive volume numbers, but probably never up to the promises and claims. Personally, I don't believe one per hour was an actual, sustainable line rate. I think they could sorta do it on paper. By 1944 they were producing 650 aircraft per month, whatever that is.

The plant was under considerable political scrutiny from the start. Ground was broken in April 1941 and the first completed plane came off the line in October 1942. In the meantime, costs went well over budget and the local press labeled the facility Willit Run.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:45

Magoo, sounds like a great idea for an article.

I remember a lovely model of the plant in the WW2 section of th EAA museum in Oshkosh. The data boards claimed they could hook up th B 24 engines in 15 minutes.

Don't know if that is true but the Willow Run plant model is next to a great collection of big radial engines and you realize how much "racing " technology like braided aeroquip lines,quality fasteners and quick disconnects where developed in just a few intense years in WW2.

Sad though the war really was, it must have been a great time in some ways for engineers. So much demand for solutions and pressures to deliver instantly

#407 Magoo

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 20:05

Magoo, sounds like a great idea for an article.

I remember a lovely model of the plant in the WW2 section of th EAA museum in Oshkosh. The data boards claimed they could hook up th B 24 engines in 15 minutes.


Okay, I'm on it. Don't think I've ever seen the model, thanks for the tip. will definitely check it out and include it if I can.

In the meantime, I hope you might enjoy this...

MCG at the Walter P. Chrysler Museum

#408 Magoo

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 15:28

Speaking of aero, here's some work in the tunnel. No clay in this instance but plenty of foam board, tape, and dum-dum.

A day in the wind tunnel

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 18:48

Great pics, Magoo.

Can you tell us more about the standing mile challenge please - sounds interesting

#410 Magoo

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:21

Great pics, Magoo.

Can you tell us more about the standing mile challenge please - sounds interesting


Thanks much. As you can see, I like to shoot with the colors souped up. Flirting with disaster.

Standing mile is pretty much what it sounds like. Done on old air bases. Maxton was the major venue but it closed. Other events include the Ohio Mile, Texas Mile, and the retired B-52 base in Loring, Maine. The major sanctioning body is the East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) run by my old buddy Keith Turk. Standing start mile with a speed trap at the finish line to take the mph number. E.T. doesn't matter. So it's sort of a mashup of Bonneville/dry lake and drag racing... except that wheelspin, wheelies, etc at the starting line are discouraged or outlawed. (Safety and cost reasons.) Just get a clean start and away you go.

The last event I covered in person was Maxton in 2010. Link here. At this event the fastest car was 241+ mph turbo Firebird and the fastest overall was a 272 mph Suzuki Hayabusa. As you can see the vehicles are more Bonneville than drag.

I have sort of a dilemma next week: two events to cover and pretty much have to choose one:

1. Millers at Milwaukee -- historic Miller and Offy race cars at the Milwaukee Mile
2. The Ohio Mile. Just like Maxton in the story link above but a better runway surface.

Which would you guys most like to see?




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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:34

1. Millers at Milwaukee -- historic Miller and Offy race cars at the Milwaukee Mile
2. The Ohio Mile. Just like Maxton in the story link above but a better runway surface.

Decisions, decisions... but Millers for me - I think.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 11:26

The Miller event I think!

Sort of relevant from the nostalgia forum but what sheer power in these cars

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=169621

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 12:50

Thanks much. As you can see, I like to shoot with the colors souped up. Flirting with disaster.

Standing mile is pretty much what it sounds like. Done on old air bases. Maxton was the major venue but it closed. Other events include the Ohio Mile, Texas Mile, and the retired B-52 base in Loring, Maine. The major sanctioning body is the East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) run by my old buddy Keith Turk. Standing start mile with a speed trap at the finish line to take the mph number. E.T. doesn't matter. So it's sort of a mashup of Bonneville/dry lake and drag racing... except that wheelspin, wheelies, etc at the starting line are discouraged or outlawed. (Safety and cost reasons.) Just get a clean start and away you go.

The last event I covered in person was Maxton in 2010. Link here. At this event the fastest car was 241+ mph turbo Firebird and the fastest overall was a 272 mph Suzuki Hayabusa. As you can see the vehicles are more Bonneville than drag.

I have sort of a dilemma next week: two events to cover and pretty much have to choose one:

1. Millers at Milwaukee -- historic Miller and Offy race cars at the Milwaukee Mile
2. The Ohio Mile. Just like Maxton in the story link above but a better runway surface.

Which would you guys most like to see?

272mph on a motorcycle. That you can have!!
The Drag types probably do not have the attention span for a full mile! Though that Firebird defenitly looks Drag orientated.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 13:16

Miller/Offy event, but just by a nose.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 13:41

272mph on a motorcycle. That you can have!!
The Drag types probably do not have the attention span for a full mile! Though that Firebird defenitly looks Drag orientated.


Good eye. Yep, the Firebird is a street/drag car and also participates in Hot Rod Drag Week, where it runs high 7s at 180 mph. Good young guy, works in the shop at Michael Waltip Racing.

The 272 mph Haybusa hit an orange cone in the the speed trap on its record run. I don't think I've ever seen a cone dispatched with such immediacy. Didn't do the bike's fairing any good, either.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 18:36

Miller/Offy!

BTW, did you all see this? Crazy good video and a perfect score!



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Posted 29 June 2012 - 19:26

Miller/Offy!

BTW, did you all see this? Crazy good video and a perfect score!



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That is awesome. It looks like George Pal or something. Imma link it, thanks for the tip.

#418 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 20:29

Great stuff!

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 20:51

Love the ending. The perplexing thing is when your engine runs perfectly for years in spite of the pieces left behind. Why were they there?

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#420 Magoo

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:08

Hey Mariner,
Due to your sincere and continuing interest, today I am naming you an honorary Detroiter. For you:

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#421 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:36

You thoroughly deserve that, mariner, I'm envious but unworthy.

#422 Magoo

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:54

You thoroughly deserve that, mariner, I'm envious but unworthy.


Ok, you're an honorary Detroiter, too. Who knew the title was so coveted.

#423 Tony Matthews

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 14:18

OK, so now I'm unworthy but deeply moved... Thanks!

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:04

Just stumbled upon this today.......are you all familiar with this place? They have an extensive library of vintage photographs.....never heard of Power Glide Magazine!

https://www.facebook.com/Powerglidemag#!...glidemag/photos

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#425 Magoo

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:06

Just stumbled upon this today.......are you all familiar with this place? They have an extensive library of vintage photographs.....never heard of Power Glide Magazine!

https://www.facebook.com/Powerglidemag#!...glidemag/photos

John


Thanks, there's some great stuff there. Hours of fun.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 17:48

Needless to say, I am proud beyond words. Tony Matthews has been persuaded to join the roster of contributors at Motor City Garage.

In the first of what I hope is a whole series of stories, here Tony gives a bit of the backstory behind his rendering of Neil Corner's Maserati 250F.

Tony Matthews on the Maserati 250F

I only hope we can do his art justice. Thanks again, Tony.


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 21:11

I'm... I'm gobsmacked! A pleasure, but what have I let myself in for? :)

#428 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:19

Motor City Garage has gone International in just a few weeks. I guess the power of these forums.
Keep it up Mac,, and Tony.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 20:57

Motor City Garage has gone International in just a few weeks. I guess the power of these forums.
Keep it up Mac,, and Tony.


Thanks for all your support. The website has a virtual geographic center, sort of, in Detroit. But naturally, the car world wants to know what's happening in the Motor City, just as Detroit wants to be plugged into the rest of the automotive world. So the view should be International, just as you say, and the Internet tends to make the world a smaller place, especially in forums like this one. Yes, you nailed it.

A good example is this story on the General Motors Heritage Collection. It's an incredible assortment of cars unique in all the world, but unless you're in Detroit you'll never get to visit the place. That stinks. Enthusiasts everywhere should get to see it:

Motor City Garage: GM's private car museum






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Posted 07 July 2012 - 17:38

Miller/Offy event, but just by a nose.


OK. You ask, you receive. That's how we roll.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 16:43

Like a post-apocalyptic film set! There is something fascinating about structural decay, very photogenic. Reminds me of the shoot-out in 'The French Connection'.


Due to popular demand -- face it, everyone enjoys ruins porn, including me -- here are all-new photos of the Packard plant taken just this week.

The deterioration of the buildings has really started to accelerate since my last visit with a camera in 2009. Also, thanks to arsonists, some portion of the complex is almost always on fire, so the place perpetually smells like a doused campfire.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 17:41

Looks well beyond saving, so there's no possible harm to what remains. I think the graffiti kind of liven up the scene chromatically.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:57

Looks well beyond saving, so there's no possible harm to what remains. I think the graffiti kind of liven up the scene chromatically.


Indeed. And as the complex gets closer and closer to a pile of loose rubble, it is also losing its fearsomeness. Not long ago one wouldn't set foot on the grounds of the Packard plant without a gun, a dog, and a police escort, especially at night. It was a bad, bad place. Now art classes come here for drawing practice. The city has now assimilated it as a ruin.

Speaking of art, I am so proud to report that Tony Matthews' second cutaway + feature story is now live. This one is on the Williams FW07 and includes a fascinating encounter with Sir Frank himself. Great, great stuff.


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#434 Magoo

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:47

Speaking of art, I am so proud to report that Tony Matthews' second cutaway + feature story is now live. This one is on the Williams FW07 and includes a fascinating encounter with Sir Frank himself. Great, great stuff.


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This one is one of my favorite stories at MCG so far. It looks and reads sooooo good. Thanks, Tony.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:56

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:17

Hope you Brits like this.

At a big show in New York I found a hot rodded Morris Minor woodie, a V8 MGA, and a custom-painted Reliant Robin. I was as shocked as anyone to encounter that one. I know they were never officially imported and am a little amazed they were even allowed. Anyway, check 'em out, hope you enjoy.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 13:27

Can the hood be dropped on that Morris so it can be (or at least look like it can be) driven?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 21:26

It looks like the Reliant still have a British numberplate. So maybe it can not get an American plate and have just kept the British one.

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:13

Can the hood be dropped on that Morris so it can be (or at least look like it can be) driven?

Plenty of room, only about half the blower and the scoop will hang out the bonnet.
We have a 95E Anglia van locally with a blown 350 Chev in it. Owned by the Mayor of Pt Adelaide!! True.

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#440 Magoo

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:40

If you liked the Morris you'll love this. It's a 1960 Vespa, if you recall those. You know what they say: nothing exceeds like excess.

If you tell one of these guys his car is silly and juvenile, he'll say, "And? Your point was...?"

Included in another slide show here:

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:44

I don't know, something like this might be Mariner's taste....

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Who wouldn't like this clean, clean MGA (even with Ford V8 power)....

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The response to the first two photo features from the Syracuse Nationals was so huge it demanded a third one. Hope you enjoy it.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:31

The response to the first two photo features from the Syracuse Nationals was so huge it demanded a third one. Hope you enjoy it.


Well I /hated/ the Robin on principle, but yes, nice pics of interesting cars for the most part, and lots of WTFs as well. I mean, there are novels to be read or written, wines to be drunk, cheese to be eaten, and instead somebody pulls a model T apart and uses it to decorate a chassis with an engine in it? Have you done a series on Bonneville cars yet? That is an event I'd love to see (and probably will).


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:53

Well I /hated/ the Robin on principle, but yes, nice pics of interesting cars for the most part, and lots of WTFs as well. I mean, there are novels to be read or written, wines to be drunk, cheese to be eaten, and instead somebody pulls a model T apart and uses it to decorate a chassis with an engine in it? Have you done a series on Bonneville cars yet? That is an event I'd love to see (and probably will).


I feel exactly the same way you do about some of the cars but I try to stay neutral and appreciate the umm, craftsmanship. Too late to do anything with Bonneville this year but it's near the top of the list for next year.

In the meantime, I hope you like today's lead feature: Tony Matthews on the 1996 Honda BTCC car. Highly detailed rendering of a very complex race car, absolutely stunning. Check out the detail inset below. Incredible. I don't have words.

Here's the feature story:

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 15:23

In case you folks were wondering what kind of enthusiast cars people are into around the Motor City, here are couple of representative cases from both the low and high ends:

bucks down crowd, click here 2012 Telegraph Road Cruise | MCG

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bucks up crowd, click here 2012 Concours of America at St. John's | MCG

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:35

In case you folks were wondering what kind of enthusiast cars people are into around the Motor City, here are couple of representative cases from both the low and high ends:

bucks down crowd, click here 2012 Telegraph Road Cruise | MCG

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bucks up crowd, click here 2012 Concours of America at St. John's | MCG

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I think I prefer the Viccy!
Though the Fiat is very pretty!

#446 Magoo

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:38

The '55 Vicky was one of my favorite cars of the weekend. What a sweetheart. White tuck and roll. Love the '55 checkmark side trim.

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Posted 03 August 2012 - 17:32

I certainly like the red V-8 one , cross betwen a Delrin and a Lister I think.

The Ferrari spyder is just beautiful - this isn't the nostalgia forum or whatever but one of those was at the Silverstone Classic in the Frerrari club area. along with about 30 F40's.

Interestingly the spyder got huge attention , I think because it is what few modern sports cars are - eleg




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Posted 08 August 2012 - 14:35

A friend sent me a link of a 1937 Ford House Car......prototype of the modern motor home?

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1937 Ford House Car

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 19:04

A friend sent me a link of a 1937 Ford House Car......prototype of the modern motor home?

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1937 Ford House Car

Early Motorhomes

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Very cool. Love the interior, sort of a nautical flavor. Like a boat cabin of a similar era.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 01:32

One of the ideas behind launching the website was to give non-Detroiters a window inside the Motor City and all its automotive goings-on. One of the big events of the year, naturally, is the Woodward Dream Cruise. Technically, it's a one-day event (Saturday, tomorrow) but in practice, it's an entire week of car-related madness, with events and gatherings all up and down the avenue from 8 Mile Road to Pontiac.

here's one of the Dream Cruise-related pieces at MCG this week... there are several more accessible from the main page...

LINK: Early Iron (pre-65) at Dream Cruise Week | Motor City Garage


Below are a few samples from the photo gallery... please take, use, and share the images as you please, thanks!


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