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#1 antony duprat

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 19:30

The new Norton's owner think back in MotoGP in 2012, with the new rules...I think it must be interesting with two british racers like Haslam, Crutchlow, Toseland Rea or few others...But is it realy serious and can we hope see it a day ?...What's your "veterans" opinion ? :wave:

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#2 Paul Collins

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 21:55

its a nice thought but I guess it'll be down to the usual thing £££££££££

I wouldnt know where to begin estimating the cost of setting up and running a modern era motogp team, and thats after all the initial development costs, Aprilia soon gave up with that cube thing a few years ago.

It would have been a more realistic proposition a few years ago when it was still politically correct to make the bikes look like a packet of ciggies and pull in someone like Players or Rothmans

Nice pic though :)

#3 Rennmax

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 06:41

Do they want to come back with the Wankel or with the Cosworth :) :wave:

#4 Herr Wankel

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:29

Do they want to come back with the Wankel or with the Cosworth :) :wave:

It doesn't matter which Renn and Antony,it won't happen,or I'll eat my rotor :rotfl:
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#5 stuavant

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 12:42

It doesn't matter which Renn and Antony,it won't happen,or I'll eat my rotor :rotfl:
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#6 Rennmax

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 13:52

It doesn't matter which Renn and Antony,it won't happen,or I'll eat my rotor :rotfl:
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Didn't Michael Dunlop ride or was supposed to ride a Norton Wankel in last year's TT.... IIRC the ride lasted till Braddan Bridge before it cried enough

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#7 Herr Wankel

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 15:52

Didn't Michael Dunlop ride or was supposed to ride a Norton Wankel in last year's TT.... IIRC the ride lasted till Braddan Bridge before it cried enough

Yes young Dunlop had a go,but it just wasn't good enough.On the subject of the rotaries.At least 2 bikes exist IMHO,and they were talking of a capacity increase to make it fit the max size for rotaries in MotoGP.Ask yourself one question.Would it be useful publicity for a road based version?If they made a road bike hardly any would sell.Consider that Norton only made about a 1000 bikes,and they had a modicum of racing success :rotfl: Sachs/DKW/Hercules made about 1700,and they were very difficult to get rid of.Suzuki was nearly sunk financially by their RE5.I would be as happy as a pig in shit if they came back,but I fear I will remain a grumpy old sod ): But just in case,I will try to find a nice recipe for my rotor
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PS Bear in mind that the only guy with a real passion for racing these things no longer works for them,and even Peter Williams didn't last long enough to get his own teacup in the staff canteen!

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#8 Coupe Kawasaki

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 16:47

I don't see any success whatsoever in Moto GP, it wasn't good enough before and 20 odd years later it will be worse :rolleyes: It struggled at Bonneville where a 636 Kawasaki has gone quicker in production trim. No chance even in World Superbikes. The motor just does not have any engine braking, that's the biggest problem IMO :eek:

Pack it in now and let the bike have it's place in history and don't bother with a road bike unless you want to carry a gallon of chainsaw oil everywhere :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Like the bike but it's just not practical :)

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#9 fil2.8

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 17:50

,and even Peter Williams didn't last long enough to get his own teacup in the staff canteen!


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#10 Rennmax

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 18:25

Yes young Dunlop had a go,but it just wasn't good enough.On the subject of the rotaries.At least 2 bikes exist IMHO,and they were talking of a capacity increase to make it fit the max size for rotaries in MotoGP.


Please excuse my ignorance, but what's the factor for classifying a Wankel chamber capacity compared to a piston engine ? Thanks

#11 Herr Wankel

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 19:32

Please excuse my ignorance, but what's the factor for classifying a Wankel chamber capacity compared to a piston engine ? Thanks

Not sure,but I think it was 1.7:1,
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 20:20

Not sure,but I think it was 1.7:1,
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Didn't they reckon the Rotaries were 588cc :confused: ??


#13 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 20:43

It looks beatifull , nice colours etc. but is it more than our silly time of news ? The season about halfway and allready rumors for 2012 ?

#14 Herr Wankel

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 20:44

Didn't they reckon the Rotaries were 588cc :confused: ??

Well mines 294 so yes.I was once told that mine MUST be a 900,to which I commented that even Panther couldn't make a 900 with only one spark plug! :p
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Posted 27 August 2010 - 22:19

Well mines 294 so yes.I was once told that mine MUST be a 900,to which I commented that even Panther couldn't make a 900 with only one spark plug! :p
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30 mph off is a country mile out there and when they do go 200mph on a 7 mile straight they'll still only catch up with Honda's 500 NSR more than 10 years ago :rolleyes: ...still there probably will be a record for rotaries unless HW takes his garage heater engined beast :wave:





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#16 SADBATCCM

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 22:33

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 22:34

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 22:36

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#19 Herr Wankel

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 13:16

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Much tweaked F1 road bike?
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#20 SADBATCCM

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 21:05

Much tweaked F1 road bike?
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THINK SO!! .,,,,,not the one walker was riding :eek:

#21 Herr Wankel

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:41

THINK SO!! .,,,,,not the one walker was riding :eek:

Is it the one that was used (quite successfully) in the German twins championship?The new ones don't use the ejector exhaust,but a fan in the seat cowling.
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Posted 01 October 2010 - 07:40

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This was taken at the re-opening of Donington by the CRMC, I found that Mr Walker was one of the most passionate officiado's of Norton's that I've ever met, I was also lucky enough to stick my head in through the factory doors and they seem to be doing it....

The #23 bike in the background is Andy Wilson's F1 which ran in the Manx this year piloted by Justin Shaw, The highlight of the Donington weekend was when we were able to get Chris on the factory bike and Justin on Andy's F1 out on track together.... The sound was awesome especially hearing them around the back of the track before they exploded on to the start finish straight....

Music to ones ears, let's hope Stuart and the guys at Norton can put something out in a competative racing guise as Norton deserve a place on any grid....

John