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#1 Boniver

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Posted 19 December 2000 - 17:10

In 1903 was the Gordon Bennett Tophy organizer by the Irish Automobile Club

After this Racing the Irish Automobile Club have also on :

11 juli 03 Corkspeed
1. John Scott Montagu – Daimer
2. Rolls – Napier


Juni 03 Summerhill Dublin « Hutton’s yard »
1 de Caters – Mercedes


4 Juli 03 Phenix Park
1. de Forest – Mors

7 juli 03 Balhybonnon hill – Cast levellon
1 Campbell-Muir - Mercedes

sep 04 Portmarnoch Speed race
1 Al. Lee Guinness - ? ? ?

aug 06 Ballinaslaughter hill - Wicklow 1.9 miles
1.Sterling Richard – Brasier

1. A F Wilkinson - Stanley




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#2 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 02 October 2005 - 21:56

7 july 1903, Henry Edmunds Trophy, Castlewellan, hillclimb, 1 km (or 600 yards)
1- E. Campbell Muir (Mercedes 60 HP)
2- Hon C. S. Rolls (Mors 80 HP), 33s 4/5
3- Wilhelm Werner (Mercedes Simplex 60 HP), 36s
4- S. F. Edge (Napier 40 HP), 37s 3/5
5- Louis Rigolly (Gobron Brillié 100 HP), 37s 3/5
6- J. E. Hutton (Mercedes 60 HP), 38s 1/5
7- Herbert Austin (Wolseley 50 HP), 39s
8- A. Callan (Wolseley 45 HP), 47s 2/5

#3 Darren Galpin

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 07:05

What was your source Marc?

#4 Marc Ceulemans

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Posted 03 October 2005 - 22:32

a British newspaper, maybe The Times (but I doubt).

#5 Hans Etzrodt

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 08:40

Castlewellen was the town, while the 600 yd (in 1903) climb went up Ballybannon Hill. Therefore these events are usually indexed under Ballybannon.

Having sorted by now through over 3100 hill climbs I found this to be a common problem in almost all countries: different names for the same event.

#6 humphries

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 12:08

Boniver

On 6-7 Sept, 1904 the Irish A.C. organised a sprint race meeting on the beach at Portmarnock known as "The Velvet Strand". The course was a mile long but curved slightly. The cars (and motor-cycles) started on duckboards and there was a plethora of classes. The main interest was the racing car category and six very potent cars turned up to do battle.

The organisers were a little miffed that the billed star drivers, Selwyn Edge, Charles Jarrott, Jack Hutton and Mark Mayhew all failed to show but competent replacements were found.

In the first heat Arthur Rawlinson with one of his Darracqs, a 40HP car, easily beat Charles Rolls in his 100HP Mors as Rolls only finished with two cylinders firing.

In heat two Algernon Lee Guinness in his recently acquired British built Gordon-Benett Darracq put it over John Stocks in Mayhew's 70HP Napier.

In the third heat Arthur Macdonald in Edge's 60HP Napier had a narrow win over Maurice Egerton in a 60 HP Panhard, putting up the fastest time for the one mile standing start, 56.0 secs.

Four selected cars took part in a second round of races the next day. Rolls won the first heat beating Lee Guinness with a time of 57.4 secs and in heat two Macdonald defeated Rawlinson, now in another Gordon-Benett Darracq, clocking 56.4 secs

The three car final was a very close fought contest, Macdonald just pipping Rolls with Lee Guinness third. The time 57.4 secs.

A series of flying kilometre timed runs were held and Rawlinson was fastest in his Gordon-Benett Darracq in a time of 28.8 secs.

Hope this is of interest,

John

(Source - The Motor News 10 Sept 1904, Dublin)

#7 Gav Astill

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 16:52

Originally posted by humphries
In the third heat Arthur Macdonald in Edge's 60HP Napier had a narrow win over Maurice Egerton in a 60 HP Panhard, putting up the fastest time for the one mile standing start, 56.0 secs.


Sorry to revive an old thread, but there is a reference here to someone who I am researching as part of my other history interest - local history.

The Maurice Egerton refered to here is the 4th Baron Egerton (1974-1958), the last private owner of Tatton Park in Cheshire, one of the very finest stately homes in the north of England.

I have become particularly interested in him as he was a pioneer motorist and aviator, buying a Benz as early as 1896, another Benz in 1900 and a 24hp Darracq in 1903. In the world of avaiation he is said to have worked with the Wright Brothers, and gained the 11th Royal Aero Clubs pilots certificate in 1910.

However until this reference I didn't know he had actually competed in motorsport. Does anyone have any other records of his competition (a 60hp Panhard was a very serious piece of kit then). As a clue, I guess we are looking at Hillclimbs and Sprints, and the only other sporting reference is that he also owned "a Minerva an a dark green racing Lagonda".

#8 Darren Galpin

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:11

I think that your date of birth for Egerton might be dodgy....

I haven't found anything else about his competition exploits beyond this sprint entry.

#9 Gav Astill

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 12:37

My typnig never was up to much. It should be 1874, of course.

Anyway, thank you for looking. Incidently he is not the Egerton who competed in the 1900 1000 Mile Trial, in case anyone goes down that line of research.

#10 tartle

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Posted 08 August 2010 - 12:08

My typnig never was up to much. It should be 1874, of course.

Anyway, thank you for looking. Incidently he is not the Egerton who competed in the 1900 1000 Mile Trial, in case anyone goes down that line of research.

There is a Rolls in Mors photo
http://www.sciencean...s...&imagepos=7
In case you have not found it. There is a picture of Maurice on starting line in "Veteran Car: Gazette of VCC of GB" No 302, June 2005... I must look in archive for original photo.