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Poll: Who are your Top Seven Drivers of the season so far? (347 member(s) have cast votes)

Please choose the seven drivers that you think have done best so far in 2010. In brackets the positions each driver got in our first and second poll after quarter season and half season.

  1. Mark Webber (9/4) (253 votes [12.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.36%

  2. Fernando Alonso (3/7) (254 votes [12.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.41%

  3. Lewis Hamilton (1/2) (254 votes [12.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.41%

  4. Sebastian Vettel (4/5) (153 votes [7.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.47%

  5. Jenson Button (5/3) (190 votes [9.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.28%

  6. Felipe Massa (7/16) (29 votes [1.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.42%

  7. Nico Rosberg (6/6) (228 votes [11.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.14%

  8. Robert Kubica (2/1) (283 votes [13.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.83%

  9. Adrian Sutil (10/8) (66 votes [3.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.22%

  10. Michael Schumacher (8/18) (10 votes [0.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.49%

  11. Rubens Barrichello (13/11) (99 votes [4.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.84%

  12. Kamui Kobayashi (-/9) (76 votes [3.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.71%

  13. Vitaly Petrov (12/13) (9 votes [0.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.44%

  14. Nico Hulkenberg (18/19) (26 votes [1.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.27%

  15. Vitantonio Liuzzi (15/17) (5 votes [0.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.24%

  16. Sebastian Buemi (20/14) (8 votes [0.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.39%

  17. Jaime Alguersuari (11/12) (35 votes [1.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.71%

  18. Heikki Kovalainen (16/10) (53 votes [2.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.59%

  19. Karun Chandok (14/15) (9 votes [0.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.44%

  20. Jarno Trulli (17/-) (7 votes [0.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.34%

Which are your favourite three teams?

  1. Red Bull Racing-Renault (-/4) (127 votes [13.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.61%

  2. Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (-/1) (147 votes [15.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.76%

  3. Scuderia Ferrari (-/6) (136 votes [14.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.58%

  4. Mercedes GP (-/8) (45 votes [4.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.82%

  5. Renault (-/2) (158 votes [16.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.93%

  6. Force India-Mercedes (-/7) (46 votes [4.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.93%

  7. Williams-Cosworth (-/5) (102 votes [10.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.93%

  8. BMW-Sauber-Ferrari (-/9) (yeah, sounds confusing, doesn´t it?) (32 votes [3.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.43%

  9. Scuderia Torro Rosso-Ferrari (-/12) (11 votes [1.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.18%

  10. Lotus-Cosworth (-/3) (85 votes [9.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.11%

  11. HRT-Cosworth (-/10) (20 votes [2.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.14%

  12. Virgin-Cosworth (-/11) (24 votes [2.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.57%

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#1 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 18:54

Welcome to the third part of our 2010 survey: "Who are your Top Seven Drivers of the season".

After quite interesting and in part surprising surveys after the first quarter of the season as well as half season, this is the "three-quarter season" edition - four races still to go, and in the last five races the balance of power has again shifted considerably.

Who do you rate your Top Seven Drivers so far?
Who do you rate your Top Three Teams so far?

Please be kind enough to outline your choices as well. Enjoy!


For your convenience - here are the links to the first two polls:

http://forums.autosp...w...202010&st=0

http://forums.autosp...w...131555&st=0

Edited by aditya-now, 27 September 2010 - 21:38.


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#2 UPRC

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:13

Alonso, Hamilton, Kobayashi, Kubica, Rosberg, Vettel, Webber.

Lotus, Mercedes, Sauber.

#3 Ferrim

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:17

Surprised by Sutil's poor rating here.

#4 highdownforce

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:24

No love for Glock, PdlR, Di Grassi or Senna?!

#5 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:28

No love for Glock, PdlR, Di Grassi or Senna?!


A lot of love for Glock and Senna personally, yet the layout of the BB poll software does not allow for more than 20 entries. I also had to leave out Nick Heidfeld, Christian Klien and Yamamoto.
I usually leave out those towards the end of the WDC standings or those not actively driving, but I am aware of the shortcoming of not being able to include all drivers.

My excuses.

#6 TURU

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:31

The drivers:

-Kubica: for everything
-Webber: for beating Vettel, while nobody believed he stood a chance against young German
-Hamilton: for being Hamilton, even though his last 2 races were not particulary good
-Alonso: really bad in the first half of the year, but he shines when it counts
-Button: for being the most consistent driver of all the top teams
-Rosberg: for being solid, quick and consistent, and for beating 7times WDC in the same machinery (however ridiculous this point seems when we consider how rubbish this 7xWDC is :p )
-Kovalainen: it seems to me like this guy has found himself in a way this season. He is clearly motivated and is clearly the best driver of the new teams

The teams:

-McLaren: mostly for the first half of the year (true masterclass), seem to be a little bit lost now though.
-Ferrari: ridiculously bad (in many aspects) for most of the season, but then again Ferrari shines when it counts.
-Renault: for being yellow :p


Edited by TURU, 27 September 2010 - 20:36.


#7 marcoferrari

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:33

Kubica, Hamilton, Barrichello, Sutil, Rosberg, Alguersuari, Kovalainen

Ferrari, Force India, Sauber

Edited by marcoferrari, 27 September 2010 - 20:35.


#8 Coral

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:39

Hamilton, Webber, Rosberg, Kubica, Barrichello, Hulkenberg, Kovalainen

McLaren, Williams, Lotus

#9 manmower

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:43

Alonso, for keeping his cool, staying in the running for the WDC, and starting to show some maturity at last.
Button, never thought he would be where he is right now in the standings, and he isn't there through sheer luck either. Thoroughly impressed.
Kubica, just brilliant all season, seems to have gelled exceptionally well with the Renault team too, hope he stays there and that together they can be real championship contenders again.

Don't even remember my other votes or if I even got up to seven, these three are head and shoulders above the rest for me.

Favourite teams:

Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault

#10 Muz Bee

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 20:58

Rosberg - for consistently putting the MGP where it barely deserves to be and showing up his more famous teammate
Alonso - for putting a weak mid season behind him and turning up the wick on his rivals
Webber - for gutsy performances, some of which shocked even his own team for their effortlessness
Hamilton - well for being the hard driving SOB that we know he is
Button - for beautifully judged racecraft we see when the Mac is right for it
Vettel - for being able to find a perfect lap (sometimes)
Kubica - what could he do with a top car?

#11 Wingcommander

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:15

Webber, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton have all made too many mistakes. Button is just too slow. My votes go to Kubica, Rosberg and Barrichello for a good effort with the equipment they've got.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:25

Webber, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg, Kubica, Sutil


RedBull, Mercedes, ForceIndia

#13 AlanWake

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:54

Drivers:

1.Hamilton
2.Alonso
3.Kubica
4.Webber
5.Button
6.Vettel
7.Rosberg

Teams:

1.Ferrari
2.Renault
3.Mclaren

#14 Fastcake

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 21:55

Hamilton, Button, Webber and Alonso, for obvious reasons. Kubica done a fine job in my eyes, very good racing in Singapore yesterday. Kovalainen also made it, he's got a lot out of that Lotus, as have the Virgin drivers in their car - although they weren't included this time round :)

Mercedes aren't very popular are they? :p Both Lotus and Virgin have done a good job this season, been very impressed with them :up:



Oh, and I would of taken Chandhok out, considering he hasn't driven since the last poll.

#15 chrisblades85

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:00

Virgin are my favourite team now, as Manor are from down the road from me. :stoned:

#16 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:08

Drivers:

1.Alonso
2.Kubica
3.Hamilton
4.Button
5.Webber
6.Vettel
7.Rosberg

Teams:

1.Ferrari
2.Lotus
3.Renault

#17 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:10

Oh, and I would of taken Chandhok out, considering he hasn't driven since the last poll.


You are right, Fastcake - excuse my oversight. Di Grassi should be in now that Chandok is out, but as some people have voted already for Karun I have to leave him inside.


#18 Mandzipop

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:27

Virgin are my favourite team now, as Manor are from down the road from me. :stoned:


Still a Ferrari fan, but gotta give Virgin 2nd for the same reason. Only a 25 minute drive in Sheffield traffic from Woodseats. Whereabouts are you from?

#19 Mandzipop

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:29

You are right, Fastcake - excuse my oversight. Di Grassi should be in now that Chandok is out, but as some people have voted already for Karun I have to leave him inside.


You should have done experienced drivers and rookies.

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#20 aditya-now

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:31

You should have done experienced drivers and rookies.


Yep, makes sense, I will do that in the final, 4th part of the Top Seven Drivers in 2010 at the end of the season - please help me out - I assume you mean all the established teams in one bunch of 20 and the three newcomer teams in another bunch?

As we vote for the Top Seven among the established drivers and the Top Three among the teams, what would you propose, Mandzipop - to chose the Top Two Drivers from the rookie teams? This is just to keep the vote weighted somehow.

Edited by aditya-now, 27 September 2010 - 22:34.


#21 chrisblades85

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 22:34

Still a Ferrari fan, but gotta give Virgin 2nd for the same reason. Only a 25 minute drive in Sheffield traffic from Woodseats. Whereabouts are you from?



Gleadless....Gleadless Common. To be precise. Always good to see (kind of) a fellow Sheffielder!

#22 Sakae

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 23:17

Vettel, Alonso, Rosberg, ... you fill the blanks.

Edited by Sakae, 27 September 2010 - 23:18.


#23 Lights

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 23:27

Top eight besides Massa.

McLaren, Renault, Williams. I guess. Don't even know why, don't care much about teams.

#24 Dunder

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:25

Kubica, Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg, Button, Webber, Glock
McLaren, Williams, Lotus

#25 Jimisgod

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:56

Alonso, Hamilton, Kobayashi, Kubica, Rosberg, Button, Webber.

Red Bull, Williams, Sauber (by virtue of having Kamui)

Bonus points for Renault.

#26 marcm

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:22

Glock would have scored one of my votes if he was on the list.

#27 Bonaventura

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:47

Glock would have scored one of my votes if he was on the list.

Timo does really well
for me one of the "best of the rest"

#28 aditya-now

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 10:12

Glock would have scored one of my votes if he was on the list.


I will have a seperate list for all the drivers in newcomer teams come November, for the final part of the Top Seven Drivers in 2010.

We have 19 drivers in the established teams (de la Rosa, Heidfeld counting for two) and by now 8 different drivers in the three rookie teams, so with the design of the poll software (20 entries allowed) it´s impossible to fit them all in. Sorry that I did not have this idea earlier, Mandzipop was kind enough to suggest that solution. As now already over 100 people have voted, the poll would be too distorted if I would separate it now. So again my excuses for not being aware enough to find that solution right away, it will be duly included in part IV.

Edited by aditya-now, 28 September 2010 - 10:13.


#29 NZX_Lorne

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 11:53

1. Alonso
2. Kubica
3. Button
4. Hamilton
5. Rosberg
6. Webber
7. Vettel


#30 Owen

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:11

Much communal love for Kubica and Renault.
Sure that will change if they start winning races and becoming a real threat!

#31 aditya-now

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:31

Much communal love for Kubica and Renault.
Sure that will change if they start winning races and becoming a real threat!


Haha, that is true! Remember the boost of sympathy that Brawn GP drew last year, but when they started winning seriously not everyone was so happy anymore!


#32 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:35

As is known here, or should be, is that I want Mark to win the title, and if not then Alonso. Button next, then Hamilton, Vettel last. Just want Mark to win the title at least once. Just gotta win it!

#33 aditya-now

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 12:36

So far the poll has Robert Kubica leading by far, he increased his reputation among our BB members enormously even in the last two months.

Battling for second are Hamilton, Alonso and Webber - while Hamilton was comfortably ahead in the first poll after quarter season and close second behind Kubica in the second poll after half season, his position among our pollsters is now heavily embattled - Alonso and Webber just being up there with Hamilton. Funny how much this ressembles the WDC situation.

Massa and Schumacher continue to be in the doldrums of the poll, while Barrichello is the best driver outside the top 7 (which is including Rosberg and Button - Button being strangely off. Worse even is Sebastian Vettel, he is just a few votes ahead of Rubens!!!).

Among the teams it is Renault by far, then McLaren and Ferrari battling for the second place, interestingly Ferrari scored only a lowly sixth position last time, and now, after Hockenheim, team orders and three Alonso victories suddenly the Scuderia is up there. Success makes you sexy, I presume.

Thanks to everyone for kindly participating in the vote again!

#34 alecc

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 13:22

Thanks to everyone for kindly participating in the vote again!


Thanks for this well written poll and thread :up:
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 13:28

I went for the WDC top 5 - because if you're still a contender for it with 3/4 of the season gone you're clearly having a good year - followed by Kubica, who I think has been the best driver all season given his sub-standard equipment and Heikki for similar reasons. If I could pick an 8th, 9th and 10th I'd say Rubens, Nico and Kobayashi - RB and NR have also done an impressive job in sub-standard equipment but I think RK and HK have both been more consistent and KK has been, if nothing else, very entertaining to watch.

McLaren - always, Williams - team I grew up supporting, great to see them near the front again, and Lotus - thought it was a bad idea at the start of the year but they have a clear respect for the brand's heritage and look serious about trying to become a force in F1 again.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 15:41

BMW-Sauber-Ferrari (-/9) (yeah, sounds confusing, doesn´t it?)

:lol:

But it would be more confusing if Lotus would buy the Toyota chasis and Renault engines making "Team Lotus Toyota Renault" :lol:

Edited by alecc, 28 September 2010 - 15:41.


#37 aditya-now

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 21:25

:lol:

But it would be more confusing if Lotus would buy the Toyota chasis and Renault engines making "Team Lotus Toyota Renault" :lol:


Indeed! :lol:

:up:



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Posted 28 September 2010 - 21:52

So far the poll has Robert Kubica leading by far, he increased his reputation among our BB members enormously even in the last two months.

Battling for second are Hamilton, Alonso and Webber - while Hamilton was comfortably ahead in the first poll after quarter season and close second behind Kubica in the second poll after half season, his position among our pollsters is now heavily embattled - Alonso and Webber just being up there with Hamilton. Funny how much this ressembles the WDC situation.

[and so one]


Look, again this needs to be explained and I know it's your poll but:
- no one is "leading here"
- this is not "name the best driver" but "name the seven best drivers"
- By voting seven drivers and giving each of them one point you are putting them at the same level
- the outcome is a zero-one situation - either a driver is top seven or he isn't
- scoring most points means that the driver is considered top seven by the biggest number of people voting
- if other points allocation system was used 10 points for 1st place, 9 for second, then we could talk about "positions" and "points"
- results/voters can be silly - Alonso was not considered top seven (I stress top seven, not best, second or third best) by at least 196 people voting after mid season (Kubica 398 Alonso 202) which is of course ridiculous.
- imagine that after every race - top seven drivers got one point each. What would combined results mean? See?

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 22:13

vettel did a better job than webber imho.

He made a lot of mistakes, yes, but without his mechanical failures (especially melbourne) he would be infront of webber.
webber himself had no mechanical failures.

kobayashi is the best rookie.

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#40 aditya-now

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 22:19

Look, again this needs to be explained and I know it's your poll but:
- no one is "leading here"
- this is not "name the best driver" but "name the seven best drivers"
- By voting seven drivers and giving each of them one point you are putting them at the same level
- the outcome is a zero-one situation - either a driver is top seven or he isn't
- scoring most points means that the driver is considered top seven by the biggest number of people voting
- if other points allocation system was used 10 points for 1st place, 9 for second, then we could talk about "positions" and "points"
- results/voters can be silly - Alonso was not considered top seven (I stress top seven, not best, second or third best) by at least 196 people voting after mid season (Kubica 398 Alonso 202) which is of course ridiculous.
- imagine that after every race - top seven drivers got one point each. What would combined results mean? See?


I am perfectly aware of the points you raise, which is why I termed it "survey", a survey in the form of a poll.
I see what you mean and please excuse the inexactness of the methods social sciences use, this is by no means natural sciences, for sure.

Kubica "leading" means that more people have put him into their choice of Top Seven drivers than anyone else, in that sense he is "!eading" the poll or rather he is the most often mentioned in the survey. You could also say he is the most popular driver on the BB and "leading" therefore in terms of sympathy, not in terms of race pace. ;)
Voters and results can be silly, but the more people cast a vote (and I believe we had 564 voting in the first poll and 486 in the second one), the more valid it becomes and levels out any silly votes. Around 500 votes is not that bad for a poll on this BB.

Finally, note my last line: "Please be kind enough to outline your choices as well. Enjoy!"

The emphasis is on "Enjoy!", as of course this a passtime, not a scientific study. Please take it as such, it still gives a nice representation about what the majority of this BB think on drivers and teams.

#41 Mauseri

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 22:29

Vettel Webber Alonso Hamilton Button Kubica Rosberg

McLaren Lotus Mercedes

#42 Muz Bee

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:08

Ouch! Schumacher rated below everyone bar Liuzzi, and Massa not doing well here either. I reckon it's over for both of them - another season seeing out contract and the door will be shown. Top 5 really close, a little surprised to see Kubica out front though well done.

Isn't the voting method a bit - flat? Anyone in your top 7 effectively gets a point regardless of whether you regard them as No1 or No 7.

#43 aditya-now

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 07:20

Ouch! Schumacher rated below everyone bar Liuzzi, and Massa not doing well here either. I reckon it's over for both of them - another season seeing out contract and the door will be shown. Top 5 really close, a little surprised to see Kubica out front though well done.

Isn't the voting method a bit - flat? Anyone in your top 7 effectively gets a point regardless of whether you regard them as No1 or No 7.


Like iotar said:
- the outcome is a zero-one situation - either a driver is top seven or he isn't

which is enough for establishing an order, as we see. Only in some cases do we see an ex aequo.
If we would have them 1....2.....3.....till 7 and allocate points accordingly (e.g. 7...6....5...till 1), we could not use the poll function as it is - it is not fit for such ratings.
Also, then we would have discussions how the points shall be given, e.g., we could also use an F1 style points system with 25, 18, etc, then the discussion would be if it should not be 10-8-6-etc.
So no matter how you do it, it will always leave room for discussion, which is a good thing.
Out of numerous possible rating systems I have chosen a simple one that also allows to use the poll function, to make it look orderly, and that allows everyone to see at one glance who has received how many votes.
It will be interesting, if we have the traditional "Best driver" poll with points allocated by season´s end as well as this one, to see if there are fundamental differences or if the picture is more or less consistent.

- scoring most points means that the driver is considered top seven by the biggest number of people voting

which is exactly what this system is showing. It is enough to show who according to the majority is more likely in the Top Seven and who is only considered by a minority to be Top Seven material. This in itself gives an order, which gives the positions. No flaws there.



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Posted 29 September 2010 - 10:06

Ouch! Schumacher rated below everyone bar Liuzzi, and Massa not doing well here either. I reckon it's over for both of them - another season seeing out contract and the door will be shown. Top 5 really close, a little surprised to see Kubica out front though well done.

Isn't the voting method a bit - flat? Anyone in your top 7 effectively gets a point regardless of whether you regard them as No1 or No 7.

I might well say Schumacher is still top-10 driver, but when you are asked top-7 it was easy to drop him out. In McLaren Hamilton has dominated Button quite similarly as Rosberg Schumacher, but the difference is that Rosberg and Button did not make much mistakes, where as Hamilton and Schumacher have made some, as well as suffering of some bad luck.

#45 alecc

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 15:13

This forum have a nice feature, that on the main site, the thread that was read, is greyed out, and it's work fine for all threads, but not this, this one is never greyed out for me... strange :)

#46 Fastcake

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 09:26

Who would of thought there's that many Renault fans? I guess the post-briatore era has been an improvement. And come on people why do HRT deserve the votes!

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 12:43

Who would of thought there's that many Renault fans? I guess the post-briatore era has been an improvement. And come on people why do HRT deserve the votes!

Well I do see a link between the Kubica and Renault fans... ;)

#48 SilentKiller

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 13:09

Will Kubica ever lose a poll till he is in F1. :p

#49 aditya-now

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 14:23

Will Kubica ever lose a poll till he is in F1. :p


The question you have to ask is: will Kubica still win polls when he is really successful on the track as well? If so, he is really popular. But it might be his popularity then fades, and bashers will make their appearance....

Alas, this is the story of envy and jealousy every really successful F1 driver has to endure.


#50 apoka

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 06:53

I am surprised that Sutil only got 49 votes so far. I guess it's because he is in a midfield car and doesn't get much attention. Otherwise, those polls always have a bias towards the last couple of races. Alonso and Webber performed rather badly at the start of the season, but now they both have a points advantage over their team mates. Yet, they share a similar rating as Kubica and Rosberg, who (at least from my point of view) were strong in almost all races. Sad to see how Massa's stock is dropping. Ferrari marked him as #2 driver and it will be hard for him to recover.