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#101 terry mcgrath

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 13:24

I would be very interested to find out the registration number of the SS90 raced by Anthony anyway of checking with him as to further details
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I contacted Mike Anthony, now 82, winner of the Firle Hill Climb. Enjoy:

Firle Hill Climb (BARC) Oct 2, 1960
M. Anthony, Lister-Corvette 5,555 c.c., overall f.t.d. 26.08 secs
New record for Class 12, previously held by M.A. Knights, Lister, 26.46 sec.

Q. Firstly I’d like to know about the Lister – where you got it from, what you did to it, install Chevrolet engine? Was it YCD 422?

My, my, you do ask a lot of questions. The car came from a gentleman called Brian Lister. He had a factory in Cambridge and they sold chassis, body, running gear etc. So I bought one. I shared the car with Malcolm Knights, a dentist from Eastbourne.

I bought an engine from an American troop car dump near Paris. The block was bored to the maximum capacity possible, pistons and a stroked crank were bought from a firm called McGurk in California. I made a dry sump set up for the engine. Malcolm made an inlet manifold ( very, very, badly) and the Solex factory in London made me 8 carbs that were a copy of the ones used by a little firm in Italy called Ferrari. I have no idea where the gearbox came from or what it was but there was one, it worked and gave no trouble.

So there you have it ambition great, ability nil. The engine had a capacity of 5555 c.c. Had it been standard, fitted with an Isky cam and a Holley 4 barrell it would probably have gone very well (the stupidity of youth). Malcolm’s manifold touched various places where it should but not all, early days had water in the oil and on the overrun smoke was seen to blow out the exhaust. Things got better but we sold the car to Mike Pendleton for £850 without the useless chevvy engine. He fitted a Jag engine (I still see him from time to time) he and Ted Whiteway shared the car and had quite a lot of fun. They sold it after a year (or 2) for Dick Tindall [spelling?].

Later the car was bought by Marsh Plant and raced by Gerry Marshall. It was one of very few original Listers then running. It was raced a few years ago with very great success by Julian Bronson. When he wanted to race it with a 5500cc chevvy engine it was not permitted (there were no 5500 cc cars racing in 1959, I did not argue as my car at the time was hardly racing). 2 years ago Julian succumbed to the lure of filthy money and sold the car to America to the Hilton family for $600,000. Thus depriving me of somewhere to go and sit in the paddock of the September Goodwood annual revival.

Q. Who you sold it to, what they did to it? I believe a Fred Owen and Dick Tindell [spelling?] were involved later somehow? Was it converted back to Jaguar power.

See above.

Q. Can you say who is driving in the picture [supplied]?

That was Malcolm Knights who died about 10 years ago. I still am using bits from his last invalid car that his wife gave me when he died.

Q. Did you compete at other meetings at Firle? Who was M.A. Knights?

See above, did not compete at other meetings I think. [Although M.A. Knights was listed as the existing record holder on Oct 2, 1960, so at least the car had been there before.]

Q. Did you drive any other competition car(s)?

Does a horse have fleas (dunno).
My worldwide success was so great that very few people ever heard of me at the time and those that did are now dead, but you seem a curious person (read that as you will).

1949 started racing a prewar Jaguar SS90 (like a 100 but rubbish).
1954 built Lotus VI, Chapman, Gammon and I formed Team Lotus at Oulton Park.
1955 built Lotus 10 with Bristol engine.
1956 built Lotus 11 with Bristol engine lying on its side, enormously stupid and complicated for some reason (there were 1000s, kept blowing up). Sold car without engine.
1957 I raced Malcolm Knights’ Triumph TR and we beat both the works sponsored teams and Syd Hurrell. He ran a specialist TR tuning business in Leighton Buzzard and was very successful.
1958 built from odd bits an AC Bristol (in partnership with Malcolm Knights). Simple and straightforward, raced car all over the place, drove it to races in Spa and Clermond Ferrand. Did quite well in fact, did better than that at Spa [where] there was a 2 litre GT race in the rain. A young man called Jim Clark was in our race, it was his first race abroad and we took him under our wing. He was driving a Border Reivers Porsche. He came nowhere and I won, oh, if only it could have gone on like that.
1959 built Lister and also a Gemini Mark 3 Formula Junior car.
1960 raced very hot mini, very fast for its time, we cheated and put a bigger engine in it (Does that sound like me ? I am surprised.)
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Edited by terry mcgrath, 13 March 2011 - 13:27.


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#102 cooper997

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 22:50

Rupertlt1,

If it's of interest, I've just dug out 2 programmes and an unused entry form/supp regs for Firle.

BARC - Sunday, June 2nd, 1957 (this programme also doubles for the Eastbourne Rally, the day before).

BARC - Sunday, June 1st, 1958 programme.

BARC - Sunday, October 5th, 1958 Regs/Entry.

Interestingly, Geoff Sykes is listed as Chief Scrutineer in both the 1957 programme and the Oct 58 regs. Geoff moved to Australia in 1960 to help set up and run the new Warwick Farm circuit in Sydney.

pm me your email if these can help.

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#103 RWB

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 22:59

I would be very interested to find out the registration number of the SS90 raced by Anthony anyway of checking with him as to further details
terry

I have it listed as BPP612.

#104 Rupertlt1

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 13:57

Many thanks to RAP for the BARC records. I am particularly interested to learn more about the Elva of John Barnes, being a Sussex-built car.

Here is the cover of the joint programme Eastbourne Rally/Firle Hill Climb from 1957. Many thanks to cooper997 in Australia. Can anybody ID the car?

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#105 fuzzi

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 18:08

It is Bill Elwell-Smith's Aston Martin Ulster. He owned and raced the car for many years.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 11:55

It is Bill Elwell-Smith's Aston Martin Ulster. He owned and raced the car for many years.

Yes to Bill Elwell-Smith but no to Ulster. It is in fact LM10, one of the 1932 team cars.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 15:39

"I am particularly interested to learn more about the Elva of John Barnes, being a Sussex-built car."

Barnes competed regularly in southern hillclimbs. When he set the class record in May 66 the car is shown as 1650cc which suggested a bored-out Ford engine. I recall at one time it was supercharged.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 20:06

"I am particularly interested to learn more about the Elva of John Barnes, being a Sussex-built car."

Barnes competed regularly in southern hillclimbs. When he set the class record in May 66 the car is shown as 1650cc which suggested a bored-out Ford engine. I recall at one time it was supercharged.
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As Autosport reported: "His sleek Elva, made the most of its bored out 1650 Ford-Allard dragsterised engine, pipping the current record holder Gordon Parker and his deafening Cooper-Climax. Patsy Burt, still acquainting herself to the ways of the new McLaren-Oldsmobile and its 4½-litre V8 power pack, managed the third fastest."

Barnes also won in the Elva at Bodiam - 1965, 1966, 1967.

Can anybody add to the story of John Barnes and the history of this car? Presumably Shorrock-supercharged. Allard had an engine shop at Bolney under John Hume about this time?


#109 Graham Clayton

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 11:58

At the September 12, 1965 meeting, Jack Sears was the fastest Bentley, driving an 8-litre car.

#110 Rupertlt1

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 14:12

Mike Anthony won the Firle Hill Climb in 1960 driving a Lister-Corvette. This is an earlier advertisement from Motor Sport, July 1955.

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The reg number looks like PCD 13.

For those interested in Bodiam Hill Climb I've set up shop here: http://rupert-lloyd-...diam Hill Climb

Edited by Rupertlt1, 09 May 2011 - 10:46.


#111 Rupertlt1

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 15:39

Mike Anthony won the Firle Hill Climb in 1960 driving a Lister-Corvette. This is an earlier advertisement from Motor Sport, July 1955.

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The reg number looks like PCD 13.

For those interested in Bodiam I've set up shop here: http://rupert-lloyd-...diam Hill Climb


I sent the picture above to Basil Bowman (winner at Bodiam in 1959) in the UK and he replies:

Dear Rupert, Many thanks for the memory -- I remember the Ad well and the transporter shown -- Michael cut an Austin 'three-way' panel van in the centre and 'stretched' the chassis and body to take the Lotus. I spent many happy hours with Mike in those days, including driving the Austin the length of England in a day, helped by the 2.2 litre engine having an Austin Healey 100 cam and carburettor setup !! Regards on this 'Royal' day. Basil.



#112 David McKinney

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 16:48

The car in the Valspar ad is of course Anthony's MkX Lotus-Bristol PCD13, not his Firle-winning Costin-bodied Lister-Chevrolet TUF1. Both cars are familiar sights at historic meetings to this day

#113 Rupertlt1

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 17:08

The car in the Valspar ad is of course Anthony's MkX Lotus-Bristol PCD13, not his Firle-winning Costin-bodied Lister-Chevrolet TUF1. Both cars are familiar sights at historic meetings to this day


If you haven't already seen it: Previous post.




#114 bradbury west

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 17:30

Rupert, via your contact with/access to Mike Anthony is there a possibility of any photos, online or via PM, of the extended Austin 3 way van, or more history of it from him? I could ring him, but it is better and more courteous, I feel, to spare him too many random calls out of the blue.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 17:54

Rupert, via your contact with/access to Mike Anthony is there a possibility of any photos, online or via PM, of the extended Austin 3 way van, or more history of it from him? I could ring him, but it is better and more courteous, I feel, to spare him too many random calls out of the blue.
Roger Lund


You are right, he is getting on a bit - I've sent him the Valspar pic and I'll see whether he surfaces. You can email me at rupertlt@hotmail.com

If you get any further int you must post it here!

Erm, I don't think he has any pics other than the one I have - because I would have them if he did! I've got the Standard Vanguard and I'll post it here shortly (this is turning into a full-time job!) :drunk: .

He says:

"Oh I have just remembered I also built the odd transporter or two, this one is my screen saver, so I should not have forgotten it. I did not aim to paint it and the car the same colour as the trees, it just happened this photo was taken on old fashioned film in 1956 ? and recently restored by a friend with a (or is it just) paintbox or even photoshop?

It had a TR2 souped up engine, overdrive and would do 100 mph with the car on. Its longest journey was from Silverstone on a sunday to Bari southern Italy on friday. Little matters like the Alps, 1000s of km of poorly maintained roads (no autostrada or Autoroute) in those days, though we did go on some German autobahn the next year with the Gemini on it to race in Solitude Rennen.

We were mad, if I knew now what I know now I would not have raced. But when I did the car would have been as simple as possible. I may not have won many races but by golly I would have finished a lot."

P.S. Don't you just love this stuff?

Edited by Rupertlt1, 29 April 2011 - 18:01.


#116 Rupertlt1

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 18:11

You are right, he is getting on a bit - I've sent him the Valspar pic and I'll see whether he surfaces. You can email me at rupertlt@hotmail.com

If you get any further int you must post it here!

Erm, I don't think he has any pics other than the one I have - because I would have them if he did! I've got the Standard Vanguard and I'll post it here shortly (this is turning into a full-time job!) :drunk: .

He says:

"Oh I have just remembered I also built the odd transporter or two, this one is my screen saver, so I should not have forgotten it. I did not aim to paint it and the car the same colour as the trees, it just happened this photo was taken on old fashioned film in 1956 ? and recently restored by a friend with a (or is it just) paintbox or even photoshop?

It had a TR2 souped up engine, overdrive and would do 100 mph with the car on. Its longest journey was from Silverstone on a sunday to Bari southern Italy on friday. Little matters like the Alps, 1000s of km of poorly maintained roads (no autostrada or Autoroute) in those days, though we did go on some German autobahn the next year with the Gemini on it to race in Solitude Rennen.

We were mad, if I knew now what I know now I would not have raced. But when I did the car would have been as simple as possible. I may not have won many races but by golly I would have finished a lot."

P.S. Don't you just love this stuff?


I'm replying to myself now (I need treatment)!

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You are going to like this. This is Mike Anthony's transporter - would do 100 m.p.h. with the car loaded up - those were the days.




#117 Rupertlt1

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 13:37

I've updated the Bodiam Hill Climb page here:

http://rupert-lloyd-...diam Hill Climb

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 15:57

I competed once at Firle in LXH3, a Targa Florio Frazer Nash, with marked lack of success. It must have been in 1967. I remember it as very bumpy, and not much of a challenge unless you had bags of power, which I didn't, and nor did the car.
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Posted 16 January 2012 - 16:29

I competed once at Firle in LXH3, a Targa Florio Frazer Nash, with marked lack of success. It must have been in 1967. I remember it as very bumpy, and not much of a challenge unless you had bags of power, which I didn't, and nor did the car.
Chris


I was a power hill alright - I walked up the course in the summer and it is steep. Can you remember which meeting in 1967? You have a choice of three - 28 May (BARC), 27 Aug (BARC), 17 Sept (Bentley D.C.). Do you have any pictures?


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#120 Allan Lupton

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 16:02


Some 1961 MGCC Firle photos on Ebay here:

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 22:46

Not sure what the last car shown is, perhaps some sort of A7 spl, based on wheel size and wheelbase, possibly a Hamlin body. Any thoughts? What a pity they have nothing on the MGCC event of July 8 the next year, 1962, showing the Mk6 Terrier of Geoff Miller, whom I would love to trace.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 13:53

Not sure what the last car shown is, perhaps some sort of A7 spl, based on wheel size and wheelbase, possibly a Hamlin body. Any thoughts? What a pity they have nothing on the MGCC event of July 8 the next year, 1962, showing the Mk6 Terrier of Geoff Miller, whom I would love to trace.
Roger Lund


Autosport, July 13, 1962, Page 64:
Ref Firle Hill Climb, MGCC SE Centre, Sunday July 8, 1962
"Sports-racing cars up to 1,300 c.c. saw
a new class record again. G. Miller
with a very Lotus 23-looking Terrier,
fairly rocketed up the hill."
[He was a class winner in 27.18 sec.]

Any more on the story of the Terrier? Len Terry designer?

For Firle I've set up home here and now need only one result to complete the set, from BARC South Eastern, 29 May 1960?

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Hope we can box this off! RGDS RLT




#123 Rupertlt1

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 23:04

Appeal for Firle results 29 May 1960 - this is the last event to complete the set - I believe there is nothing in Autosport or Motoring News - so best hope is results sheet or BARC Gazette or BARC Yearbook?

See:

http://rupert-lloyd-...irle Hill Climb

RGDS

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#124 Garsted

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 18:06

[quote name='Rupertlt1' date='Apr 27 2012, 14:53' post='5690554']
Autosport, July 13, 1962, Page 64:
Ref Firle Hill Climb, MGCC SE Centre, Sunday July 8, 1962
"Sports-racing cars up to 1,300 c.c. saw
a new class record again. G. Miller
with a very Lotus 23-looking Terrier,
fairly rocketed up the hill."
[He was a class winner in 27.18 sec.]

Any more on the story of the Terrier? Len Terry designer?

Rupert, could the car in question be that shown on page 59 of The Seven Fifty Motor Club by David Morgan, described as "The DRW Mk4S (built by Dave Warwick to a design by Len Terry) at 750MC Debden in 1962"
It's certainly a pretty car resembling a cross between a Lotus 23 and a Lotus 30

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 18:20

The Miller car was a Terrier mk6, and the DRW mk4 was a variation of the same car as a result of an arrangement between Len and David Warwick. I really must get a copy of, or access to the relevant DRW bits of it in, the Morgan 750MC book as I contributed to it. Perhaps you could expand on the photograph at Debden or scan me a copy by e mail. It may be one which I do not have. The Debden result was an excellent one.
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Edited by bradbury west, 22 August 2012 - 18:22.


#126 Jagjon

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:09

Appeal for Firle results 29 May 1960 - this is the last event to complete the set - I believe there is nothing in Autosport or Motoring News - so best hope is results sheet or BARC Gazette or BARC Yearbook?

See:

http://rupert-lloyd-...irle Hill Climb

RGDS

RLT

This doesn't refer to 1960 but I think 1961/2/3 maybe, re Small car magazine issue Jan 1964, pages 64 & 65 in a series entitled "Fast Girls" subject Isobel Robinson & her Cooper 500, she says:-
"The holder of the Firle near Lewes in Sussex hill climb, that's the only record I hold, I won it last year, lost it this then regained it."..............so maybe just the 500 class?
Worked for Rubery Owen then Ford Competitions dept. Future plans inc. rallying a Simca 1000.
Mike Anthony's old partner Malcolm Knights latterly (in the 1980's) had a Dino and a Fiat 600 Abarth which I think was ex JWColes of Lymington & I think sold it to Kerry McSwann at Hatfield, he was mech. for collector Tom Walduck.
If you want copy of Small Car email me a contact email.

#127 Rupertlt1

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 15:13

This doesn't refer to 1960 but I think 1961/2/3 maybe, re Small car magazine issue Jan 1964, pages 64 & 65 in a series entitled "Fast Girls" subject Isobel Robinson & her Cooper 500, she says:-
"The holder of the Firle near Lewes in Sussex hill climb, that's the only record I hold, I won it last year, lost it this then regained it."..............so maybe just the 500 class?
Worked for Rubery Owen then Ford Competitions dept. Future plans inc. rallying a Simca 1000.
Mike Anthony's old partner Malcolm Knights latterly (in the 1980's) had a Dino and a Fiat 600 Abarth which I think was ex JWColes of Lymington & I think sold it to Kerry McSwann at Hatfield, he was mech. for collector Tom Walduck.
If you want copy of Small Car email me a contact email.


1960:

"With no Cooper-J.A.P. 'twins' competing, a very different type
of car made Fastest Time of Day at Firle, at the B.A.R.C. (South
Eastern Centre's) climb on 2 October, the big Lister-Chevrolet, piloted
by Mike Anthony, setting a new sports car record for the hill of
26.08 seconds. With a climb of 26.11 sec Patsy Burt just failed to hold
the big American-engined sports car and had to be content with a
class win. Two records fell, that for 500 cc racing cars and that
for 'Normal and Improved Series Production Touring Cars up to
1,300 cc.' Bedford, in the ultra short chassis Monaco, became the
new 500 cc class record holder (29.20 sec) and Ken Piper (Messer-
schmitt) set a figure of 34.11 sec for the small touring cars."

C. A. N. May, Speed Hill-Climb, G.T. Foulis & Co LTD, 1962, Pages 160-161.

Isobel Robinson's car the ex-Philip Robinson (any relation?) Cooper-Norton 500.
See: Motor Sport, August 1961, Page 689.

Edited by Rupertlt1, 24 August 2012 - 15:44.


#128 JMH

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 17:47

That last car in the e-bay lot, No 30, Reg MBK 999 is a one off special. It was built & raced by Geoff Coles & used an MG J4 engine. He broke the car when the engine & box went into his J4 rebuild a couple of years later.

The car with the reg that looks like "AYC 491" could be an MG J type, but I'll need to look a bit further.

Nice to see someone giving it stacks in an 1880 though!

JH

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#129 Rupertlt1

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 19:11

At long last the table of winners is complete:

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The last piece of the jigsaw being the win by Arthur Owen on 29 May 1960.

Results:
Class 1 K.Piper Messerschmitt
Class 2. R. Binney Sunbeam*
Class 4. J. Jacobs Jaguar
Class 5. E. Williams Lotus Elite*
Class 6. W. Swayne MGA
Class 7. R. Dilley Frazer-Nash*
Class 8. P. Farquharson Allard*
Class 9. C. Parkinson Yimkin
Class 11. R.H. Raynes Lotus
Class 12. M. Barker Alton-Jaguar
Class 14. A.R. White Kieft*
Class 15. A. Owen Cooper

*Class record. Article says six class records broken, but only five listed.
No times given except Arthur Owen, 25.79 sec, FTD.
Source: BARC Gazette, May–June 1960, Vol. XXX No. 3, Page 89, Col 3.

When was an event won by a “Formula 1 Cooper” so thoroughly lost to history?

Edited by Rupertlt1, 23 November 2012 - 13:39.


#130 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:10

Whilst looking for something else I came across this very minor addition to Firle history. Roger Hurst (of Lenham Hurst Racing fame) was a poster here at one time. He once owned the fearsome Harry Ratcliffe-built Mini-Buick, and competed in it at Firle. Here are the relevant posts:

Ho Hum! Odd engined Minis. Well in a moment of lunacy I bought the Cooper Buick from Rodney Bloore at Sports Motors Manchester. This device had been built by Harry Ratdcliffe with money from British Vita. It had a 3.5 litre Buick V8 in the boot driving forward through a Jaguar gearbox to a reversed E type diff where the original engine should have been. It had 13" wheels on the front and 10" on the rear and was beautifully made. The only rear engined front wheel drive car I can recall.
BUT driving it was likened to throwing a hammer shaft first. When the engine was reved whislt stationary it was possible to watch the shell twist even though it had been strengthened with RSJs.
Eventually I gave up and traded it with Gerry Marshall for Jackie Olivers Diva. Even he couldn't tame it.


David,
Yes I did race it at Brands, Castle Combe and Lydden. I also hill climbed it. At Firle the Clerk of the Course wrote back on my entry form saying 'By no stretch of his imagination could he conceive it as a saloon' and thus put me in the unlimited single seater class.
Yes there was lots of tyre smoke off the line, but it flattered only to deceive!!



#131 Allen Brown

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 14:24

At long last the table of winners is complete:


Great job!

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 18:48

Great job!


Allen, I may have got ahead of myself!

There remains a last mystery to clear up re Firle.

What happened in 1966? Why only two events? Normally four.

At the first event that year, the BARC South Eastern event, on 29 May 1966, a Lotus Elan, #90, crashed injuring 3 spectators. (I have photographs of this incident.)

The joint M.G. Car Club/BARC event went ahead on 18 June.

Normally you would expect a BARC event at end August and a Bentley Drivers' Club event on September 18 (the day after the Brighton Speed Trials).

To date I can find no evidence that these took place. Any clues welcome – no fragment is too small!

Best regards

Rupert Lloyd Thomas

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 16:57

Allen, I may have got ahead of myself!

There remains a last mystery to clear up re Firle.

What happened in 1966? Why only two events? Normally four.

At the first event that year, the BARC South Eastern event, on 29 May 1966, a Lotus Elan, #90, crashed injuring 3 spectators. (I have photographs of this incident.)

The joint M.G. Car Club/BARC event went ahead on 18 June.

Normally you would expect a BARC event at end August and a Bentley Drivers' Club event on September 18 (the day after the Brighton Speed Trials).

To date I can find no evidence that these took place. Any clues welcome – no fragment is too small!

Best regards

Rupert Lloyd Thomas

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Re 1966: mystery mostly solved, with thanks to Trevor Swettenham at the B.A.R.C. Press Office.
Still need to confirm whether B.D.C. event in September took place?

B.A.R.C. Gazette, August 1966, Page 38, Col 2:
The Whitsun Firle went off very well
with an entry of about 120 cars and fine
weather to help everything. Despite an
unfortunate accident involving some specta-
tors the organisation and meeting in
general went very well. The accident,
however, has resulted in the Bank Holiday
Hill Climb being abandoned for this year.
There were only two new class records on
this occasion and these went to Tony
Mussard in his Anglia 1500 and to Maurice
Fallek in his very fast Elan. Patsy Burt went
up in her new hairy McLaren but it would
seem that the car did not really have the
chance to stretch its 'legs' on this com-
paratively short hill. The fastest time of
the day went to John Barnes in his Elva
and was only one second outside the record.
After the May Firle, we co-promoted the
June event with the MG Car Club and a very
good meeting it was with FTD going to
Don Harris in his DMF.
END

RGDS RLT

Edited by Rupertlt1, 06 December 2012 - 17:01.


#134 Rupertlt1

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 16:25

Still need to confirm whether B.D.C. event in September took place?

RGDS RLT


B.D.C. 1966 mystery solved:
Bentley Drivers Club, Club Notes, August 1966.
FIRLE HILL-CLIMB
Following an accident at a recent meeting at Firle in
which a non-competitor sustained injury, some doubt has
been cast upon the legality of using the road for competition
purposes in the present circumstances.
As their insurers have declined to cover further events
until the legal position has been clarified, the R.A.C. have
suspended the issue of permits.
Every avenue is being explored by all concerned to
secure the future availability of this wonderful hill but there
seems to be no possibility of a speedy conclusion to the
business.
Thus, it is with very great regret that the Committee
have to announce that the Hill-Climb due to take place on
Sunday, 18th September, 1966 has been...
ABANDONED

Edited by Rupertlt1, 13 December 2012 - 16:26.


#135 RAP

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 17:42

Well done Rupert ! The definative answer at last.
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#136 RS2000

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 20:47

Well, sort of definitive.
What exactly did that mean - that the road was actually a public road all along? That was also the implication of what we found when looking into the remote possibility of resurection (about 10 years ago?)(there was certaily a public right of way crossing the top end then).

#137 Rupertlt1

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 22:12

Well, sort of definitive.
What exactly did that mean - that the road was actually a public road all along? That was also the implication of what we found when looking into the remote possibility of resurection (about 10 years ago?)(there was certaily a public right of way crossing the top end then).


See: My Firle Website

It is definitive in the sense that we now know the answer to something that has been bugging us for months: The BARC event at August Bank Holiday and the B.D.C. event on 18 September 1966 were both definitely cancelled. (Proving that something didn't happen can be both problematic and irksome!)

The doubts about the legality of using the road were overcome, at least in the short term, as four events were scheduled for 1967. The R.A.C. must have been satisfied in order to issue permits (and ergo their insurers).

Wasn't the road part of the Firle Estate? Was that not the justification for running the event all along?

I think David Good's run of 22.78 sec on 28 May 1967 was a bit of a shocker and contributed to the feeling that the cars were outgrowing the track?

I wasn't around then so can anybody shed more light on the subject?

Edited by Rupertlt1, 13 December 2012 - 23:20.


#138 Rupertlt1

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 13:50

Motor Racing, December 1958, Page 433:
DAVID ROSCOE
WISHES TO SELL HIS
SUPERCHARGED 1220 c.c.
JAP TWIN COOPER
SPRINT CAR
The car has the 1100 JAP Motor fed by a Wade Super-
charger in a Cooper Mark VI chassis and has secured many
class wins in sprints and hill-climbs this year. It currently
holds the hill record at Firle.
Standing ¼ mile (Gosport) 14.14 seconds. A fully enclosed
Cooper Trailer and spares is included.
£485
Roscoe, Freshfields, Woodruff Avenue, Burpham,
Guildford. Tel 61151 (Evenings)
David Roscoe was a columnist for the BRSCC publication "Motor Racing" on hillclimb topics. He later made many films of UK motorsport.
Can anybody add to the history of this car?

Edited by Rupertlt1, 08 September 2013 - 14:39.


#139 Rupertlt1

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 00:09

B.A.R.C. (S.E. Centre) Firle Hill-Climb. May 28, 1961.

Best time of day: Arthur Owen (Cooper), 25.94 sec.

Class Winners: R Gibbings (Austin); A. Oxborrow (Riley 1.5);

J. Dunster (Jaguar 3.8); D. Richmond (Austin 7); M. Wright (Elva);

D. Buss (Triumph); J. Tiller (Allard); H. Epps (Lotus); W. Camp (Cooper);

M. Knights (Lister); W. Heathcote (Lotus); Miss I. Robinson (Cooper); A. Owen (Cooper).



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#140 Rupertlt1

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 14:50

I think the man that crashed at Firle in 1966 may be #90 Ken Berrow (not Barrow) Lotus Elan. Does this ring any bells?


Edited by Rupertlt1, 07 December 2013 - 14:56.