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#351 Kristian

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:46

Ugh another asphalt paradise.

Which is a shame, because I like the look of the layout. 



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#352 superden

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 12:57

Wow, that looks amazing. Asphalt, asphalt and wait ... oh yes, some more asphalt. It looks like a parking lot.



#353 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 13:03

What were you guys expecting? We've known that the circuit will be round the Olympic park from the beginning. Did you think they'd tear it all up to put some grass down?



#354 superden

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 18:12

What were you guys expecting? We've known that the circuit will be round the Olympic park from the beginning. Did you think they'd tear it all up to put some grass down?

 

No, but there is such a thing as landscaping. It works wonders and might have left the Sochi circuit looking less like a city centre car park.



#355 Jimisgod

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:42

We taking bets on whether this will be cancelled now?



#356 f1fan1998

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:44

I'm sure as hell not getting on a plane which would start its final approach by going through that conflict zone. A number of friends of mine are running various parties at Sochi. I was quite excited about it all. No chance now...



#357 Ali_G

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:45

We taking bets on whether this will be cancelled now?

 

I don't think F1 has a history for cancelling races over geopolitical reasons.  Even with the protestations over Bahrain, the race still went ahead.  Sadly I think the same will happen here.



#358 f1fan1998

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:57

Do you have a short memory? The 2011 Grand Prix, due to be held on 13 March, was canceled on 21 February 2011. 



#359 Fastcake

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:28

Sochi is in the region of Russia right next to an active war zone, one which has just seen a civilian aeroplane shot down. If you can't see why that might possibly be an issue for the Grand Prix, I'm not sure what is.

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#360 Spillage

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:53

Sochi is in the region of Russia right next to an active war zone, one which has just seen a civilian aeroplane shot down. If you can't see why that might possibly be an issue for the Grand Prix, I'm not sure what is.

Further to this, if Russia is about to be placed under international sanctions then there will be enormous pressure for the race not to go ahead. Not that these things have influenced Bernie & co in the past, but if teams and sponsors aren't keen then his hand might just be forced. I can't imagine Gene Haas would be terribly impressed in these circumstances either.



#361 SophieB

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:59

Posts removed. Until/if there is a LOT more clarity on who shot that plane down, please avoid making posts that rest on the assumption that one side was responsible, it will inevitably derail the thread.

Please choose your words with a lot of care. This is a thread about the preparations ahead of a Grand Prix race. If you want to discuss international politics, go and join the Paddock Club and talk there, there's some very active threads.

Edited by SophieB, 18 July 2014 - 12:48.
chose my own words with a bit more care.


#362 jjcale

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 15:23

OK ... now I finally agree with the folks who said that the GP is under threat ... with this plane tragedy Shit Just got Real.... not because Russia did it or didnt do it - but there is going to be a big Intl media campaign against Russia over this. I can see real pressure coming F1's way soon.

 

For now the sanctions are joke ... and so are the proposed new sanctions.


Edited by jjcale, 18 July 2014 - 15:23.


#363 Kristian

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 16:24

F1 raced in S Africa under apartheid. 

 

F1 has continued to race in Bahrain despite continued human rights abuses since the Arab Spring. 

 

F1 will race in Russia this year, especially with so much $$$ riding on it. 



#364 motorhead

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 16:27

F1 raced in S Africa under apartheid. 

 

F1 has continued to race in Bahrain despite continued human rights abuses since the Arab Spring. 

 

F1 will race in Russia this year, especially with so much $$$ riding on it. 

 

Yeah, that´s sad.



#365 ensign14

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 18:00

There's a difference between a country's internal policy and a country's external.  There was an Argentine GP in 1981.  There wasn't in 1982.



#366 scheivlak

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 18:25

F1 raced in S Africa under apartheid. 

 

 

Until teams started to boycott the race.



#367 Henri Greuter

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 19:28

Until teams started to boycott the race.

 

 

If I recall correct, back then (1984-1985-1986)  there was no obligation to appear with your two cars on an event if, for whatever reason you didn't want to.

I know that in later years there was a rule that you had to appear at each and every GP at the risk of a massive fine.

Wasn't there a year in which Scuderia Italia (Dallara) did not have its genuine F1 car ready so they flew in a F3000 to the first race so they could save themselves a massive fine?

Something like such a mandatory appearance commitments or else be fined is still the case, isn't it?

 

 

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Edited by Henri Greuter, 18 July 2014 - 19:29.


#368 scheivlak

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 20:08

Reading http://www.f1fanatic...can-grand-prix/ one indeed gets the idea that competitors didn't get heavily fined in those days for missing a GP as the article mentions that RAM and Zakspeed- not the wealthiest teams on the grid - just didn't turn up at that GP.

 

That Dallara F3000 entry must have been in 1988 I guess.



#369 ensign14

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 20:31

Zakspeed in 1985 were running outside the championship - they missed the start of the season.  I think though they did have to pay a fine for missing races.  Kauhsen did in 1979.  RAM were potless and never came back; John Macdonald though was tight with Bernie.

 

Ligier missed the South African races in the mid-80s, on the basis that the French government, which was basically funding him via Gitanes, had an apartheid ban.  Note that the same didn't apply to Renault, though then again Renault were in contention for race wins...



#370 jjcale

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 20:56

South Africa was supported by the Western countries from whom F1's participants were largely drawn..... its the opposite with Russia today.

 

I have been the biggest sceptic in this thread of there being a problem with holding the race in Russia .... until yesterday.

 

No I put it at 50/50.



#371 zdzisio

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 21:11

if Russia is about to be placed under international sanctions then there will be enormous pressure for the race not to go ahead. Not that these things have influenced Bernie & co in the past

 

For Bernie (he said it himself in some interview) the biggest hypothetical problem might be sanctions not allowing him to transfer the payments from organizers to FOM.



#372 Ferrari_Boy

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 01:21

that would be a significant issue for Bernie



#373 sportyskells

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:29

the people that are organizers that doing this GP has said its still going ahead as planned



#374 Jimisgod

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:40

There's a difference between a country's internal policy and a country's external. There was an Argentine GP in 1981. There wasn't in 1982.


Yes. Remember the 1980 Olympic boycott was about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

#375 ensign14

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 17:39

Well, this is interesting.

 

According to an EU official, the most important measure agreed was to deny Russian state-owned banks access to European capital markets. Under the agreed sanctions, Europeans will not be permitted to buy debt, equity or other financial instruments with a maturity higher than 90 days in Russian state-owned financial institutions. Brokering or other services linked to any such transactions will also banned.

 

 

Might be knock-on effects.  If the Sochi money has to come via Russian banks...



#376 John Player

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 17:47

For Bernie (he said it himself in some interview) the biggest hypothetical problem might be sanctions not allowing him to transfer the payments from organizers to FOM.

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#377 Fastcake

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 17:53

It would at least give them an excuse to cancel the race, if they finally realise holding a race in Russia isn't a very good idea after all.



#378 BRG

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 20:51

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".....but, but, I NEED that money to bribe the German judges!"   :eek:



#379 TurboF1

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 21:22

Interestingly they have Bottas as a Toro Rosso driver on their website

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#380 motorhead

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 21:42

I think now we have come to a point where Sochi GP should be cancelled, this situation reminds of Cold War days...



#381 Kobasmashi

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 22:01

There's far less danger to the competitors in Sochi than there was in Bahrain in 2012 and that race went ahead.

#382 Juan Kerr

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 22:03

I don't think there will be a race in Russia, as soon as someone suggests it I think everyone will quickly agree to cancelling it. Take away the revenue gain from them straight away.



#383 Kristian

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 11:34

But if Putin is making sanctions against European interests, surely Bernie's race fee will count?



#384 BullHead

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 11:37

I can't yet see it being cancelled. If the EU sanctions get more encompassing, there may be legal grounds why it simply cannot be held. I don't see a safety / security issue yet either.

#385 BullHead

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 11:38

But if Putin is making sanctions against European interests, surely Bernie's race fee will count?


I think Putin will except F1. It's the sort of thing he wants to have.

#386 SophieB

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 12:33

Just a reminder that if people want to discuss whether it is right if the race goes ahead or not, there's this thread: http://forums.autosp...-2#entry6811471

This one is more about actual updates on what's happening with the race preparations. Thanks!

#387 garagetinkerer

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 06:12

I have always loved new tracks being added (no, i don't like good old tracks being removed from calendar... just add more races keep it around 25 or so :p). Can't wait for this one... I hope it is good...



#388 Peat

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 07:55

Will the teams be forced to buy all thier food (for catering/hospitality) locally? They usually bring it all with them.



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:13

Adam Cooper ‏@adamcooperF1 · 1m
Sochi has announced that it has passed its FIA inspection following a visit by Charlie Whiting yesterday