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#1 mac miller

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 17:19

Do any of the esteemed historians on this forum have any info and/or sources for technical drawings, design drawings, scale drawings, and "blue print" drawings of this car ???????
Thanks for any information!

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Edited by mac miller, 17 October 2010 - 17:26.


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#2 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 18:06

Here is a start for you, Mac.

http://www.vsrnonlin...11N129_p518.jpg

#3 f1steveuk

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 18:06

There must be something about, Chris Rea had his replica built from something, surely?

#4 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 18:09

Judging by what I've seen of Chris Rea's car, it was built using two blurred black & white photos.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 18:25

Do any of the esteemed historians on this forum have any info and/or sources for technical drawings, design drawings, scale drawings, and "blue print" drawings of this car ???????
Thanks for any information!

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We have a lot of body-off photos of the first 156/F1 taken at Maranello in early 1961.

#6 Alan Cox

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 18:55

There must be something about, Chris Rea had his replica built from something, surely?

Indeed, as Barry says, I believe Chris Rea's example was based entirely on photographs.

The story of Jan Biekens' recreation is here
http://www.sharknose.net/

Edited by Alan Cox, 17 October 2010 - 19:00.


#7 f1steveuk

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:56

Judging by what I've seen of Chris Rea's car, it was built using two blurred black & white photos.

That's dissapointing!

#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:49

Indeed it is...

If he'd had three (one of the front, one of the back and one of the side) it would have been beneficial.

#9 JoBo

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:31

Indeed, as Barry says, I believe Chris Rea's example was based entirely on photographs.

The story of Jan Biekens' recreation is here
http://www.sharknose.net/

Yes, Jan Bieken is the person to ask about anything "Shark Nose". The Chris Rea-car was more or less an attempt and had not much in common with the "real thing".

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#10 Tony Matthews

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:52

I don't know what happened to all the stuff James Allington accumulated - not just a geniune engine but drawings. I think it was a Sharknose chassis drawing (genuine, Ferrari drawing) that I saw a few years ago. He was going to have some prints done, and I asked if I could have one, but it never materialized. The body buck was on show at his memorial do.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 13:25

Yes, Jan Bieken is the person to ask about anything "Shark Nose". JoBo


From 2 discussions at the Revival in 2009 and 2010 with Jim Stokes, who created the Bieken car from scratch, all drawings, diagrams, layouts, patterns, designs etc connected with this car and its creation are and remain the title and in the ownership of Jim Stokes.
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#12 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 14:51

Yes, Jan Bieken is the person to ask about anything "Shark Nose". The Chris Rea-car was more or less an attempt and had not much in common with the "real thing".

JoBo

Really?

I always thought it had genuine suspension and engine from the 196 Dino sport car. When Dutchman Bosch bought it, he collected a real 156 F1 engine from Bardinon. So from what I read/heard its 50% genuine Ferrari parts. Or am I mislead?

Edited by Arjan de Roos, 18 October 2010 - 14:51.


#13 JoBo

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 15:01

I remember Phil Hill driving the Rear-car who mentioned afterwards the "normal Dino-GT-engine". He said something like "...nice to drive but not like the real car". But perhaps I missed something....

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Edited by JoBo, 18 October 2010 - 15:02.


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Posted 19 October 2010 - 08:42

Do any of the esteemed historians on this forum have any info and/or sources for technical drawings, design drawings, scale drawings, and "blue print" drawings of this car ???????
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There are two cutaway drawings on p204 of Adrian Cimarosti's book The Complete History of Grand Prix Motor Racing – UK edition Motor Racing Publications Ltd, 1990. One is of the whole car, one of the engine.
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:06

Really?

I always thought it had genuine suspension and engine from the 196 Dino sport car. When Dutchman Bosch bought it, he collected a real 156 F1 engine from Bardinon. So from what I read/heard its 50% genuine Ferrari parts. Or am I mislead?


You are right Arjan, and some more crucial bits were added as well, the car is now not like it was when with Rea.

#16 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:42

There are two cutaway drawings on p204 of Adrian Cimarosti's book The Complete History of Grand Prix Motor Racing – UK edition Motor Racing Publications Ltd, 1990. One is of the whole car, one of the engine.
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There are several more cutaway drawings in the TNF cutaways thread. They can be found using the latest version of the Ibsen index to that thread, which is here:

http://forums.autosp...w...t&p=4574708

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 19:47

I've got them all in a separate file if anyone cares for them

BTW Tim thanks for mentioning Ibsen's labour of love, it deserves all the attention and use it can get.

Edited by macoran, 19 October 2010 - 19:56.


#18 macoran

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 19:57

There are two cutaway drawings on p204 of Adrian Cimarosti's book The Complete History of Grand Prix Motor Racing – UK edition Motor Racing Publications Ltd, 1990. One is of the whole car, one of the engine.
Robin B


May I ask by whose hand they are ?

#19 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 21:01

BTW Tim thanks for mentioning Ibsen's labour of love, it deserves all the attention and use it can get.

:up: :up:

May I ask by whose hand they are ?

They're both by Cavara - the drawing of the whole car is the same drawing which appears on page 37 of the cutaways thread.

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#20 SWB

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 21:40

There are a lot of 'technical' chassis/engine photo's and cutaway drawings around for this car. For instance 'Road and Track' for August 1962 has not only chassis, suspension and engine photo's showing clearly the construction, but also a James Allington cutaway, plus plans of both the 156 and 196 by way of showing how similar they were. The thing is once you start looking there is tons of stuff. For general race photo's and a history there is Ed McDonough's book 'Ferrari 156 Sharknose' (but its not great for deep detail on construction).

I'm not sure how close the Rea car is to a real 156, but I did read in a magazine once that they had to guess some details as there was no reference material for things like the underside of the car. Which is odd because a famous photo off Willy Mairesse's upside down 156 appears on page 147 in everybody's standard reference source, Hans Tanner and Doug Nye's 'Ferrari'.

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Edited by SWB, 19 October 2010 - 21:41.


#21 Jan Biekens

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 17:03

From 2 discussions at the Revival in 2009 and 2010 with Jim Stokes, who created the Bieken car from scratch, all drawings, diagrams, layouts, patterns, designs etc connected with this car and its creation are and remain the title and in the ownership of Jim Stokes.
Roger Lund

This is not true . All drawings, diagrams, layouts, patterns and designs are owned and possessed by me. By the way the car isn’t at Jim Stokes but at Setford Racing who are doing the maintenance and the race support (already before Goodwood Revival).

Jan Biekens

Edited by Jan Biekens, 31 October 2010 - 17:05.


#22 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 17:11

Welcome to the Forum, Jan and from this old codger, thank you for be the man who set this whole thing in motion.

(And for letting me sit in it at Goodwood in 2009) :)

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 15:30

[quote name='Jan Biekens' date='Oct 31 2010, 18:03' post='4679479']
This is not true . All drawings, diagrams, layouts, patterns and designs are owned and possessed by me. By the way the car isn’t at Jim Stokes but at Setford Racing who are doing the maintenance and the race support (already before Goodwood Revival). Jan Biekens [/

My error. My apology
My thanks also for commissioning the build of the car for us to enjoy
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#24 Jan Biekens

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:45

A short film about the recreation of the Ferrari 156 F1 V65° chassis #0002, also called the Sharknose at:




#25 Barry Boor

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:29

That is a beautiful film, Jan. Thank you for putting the link here for us.

Edited by Barry Boor, 02 July 2012 - 09:30.


#26 Terry Walker

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:42

Wow! Thanks so much for everything!

#27 bradbury west

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 13:02

Scroll down for some period shots at Aintree, on e bay at present.
http://www.ebay.co.u...=p3286.c0.m1538
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#28 Alan Cox

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 13:02

Super film, Jan. Many thanks for posting. It's always a joy for humble bystanders to watch in awe as experts exercise their skills.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 14:16

We have the full suite of photos which Peter Coltrin took of the first 156F1, without bodywork, at the time James Allington was making the notes for his drawings of that car.

#30 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 14:21

:up: :up: :up:

#31 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 17:01

Why do they delete engine noise and put music instead ????????

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:57

A short film about the recreation of the Ferrari 156 F1 V65° chassis #0002, also called the Sharknose at:


Such an inspiring film and project. Really enjoyed this thread and posts - thanks!

#33 Macca

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:08

Great film - hard to realise it was so long between first seeing it at Stoneleigh and its first race at Goodwood.

There's a strangely familiar photo at 4.54..... :cool: (which I am honoured to see there, I hasten to add)


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#34 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:30

Breathtaking film. I'm gobsmacked at the technical skills of some people. Full of admiration.

#35 Jan Biekens

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:40

Great film - hard to realise it was so long between first seeing it at Stoneleigh and its first race at Goodwood.

There's a strangely familiar photo at 4.54..... :cool: (which I am honoured to see there, I hasten to add)


Paul M


Glad you like the film Paul. Did you take the Brooks auction picture from the catalogue of the Obrist engines ?

Edited by Jan Biekens, 10 July 2012 - 12:41.


#36 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 14:23

Who? Me? Jan, I didn't take anything from anywhere, honest Gov ;-)

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 15:19

Why do they delete engine noise and put music instead ????????


Bjorn I agree; but what workmanship! :up: