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[Mario]

For a board of it's size, there seems to be a decent attitude around here. I'm not saying that Atlas is a flame-free zone, but, it compares quite favourably to the attitude displayed by "another forum". I guess it comes down to personal maturity and a group of admins who actively participate in keeping the BB a fun but orderly place for discussion.

P.S. I have been told that the admins are an evil lot around here - control freaks. Personally, I don't see it. Ah well, for what it's worth, I feel excited about this place. S#*t, I should've posted more often when I signed up over a year ago

[The Swerve]

heh heh! you ain't seen nuthin' yet!;) Ooops, I've said too much...

Post edited by one of them evil Moderators

[theMot]

who said theres no ****in flame ya ****in ring stinger!

[Slick]

welcome to the club

Mottie be nice

[theMot]

[Pit Babe]

This appears to be about the entire BB, so off it goes to the Atlas F1 forum.

[mahelgel]

hmmm... controll freaks... you wouldnt say ...

[Pascal]

Hey, we just like to keep the place in order!;)

[Wolf]

Mario, have you seen the size of PitBabes cricket bat? And I've heard rumors that she has drilled a big hole in it and filled it with lead!!! I don't know about you, but I wouldn't like to feel its weight (neither PitBabes swing) on my back. So...
Wolf sneaks out, because he noticed two fiery eyes glowering at him from the dark.

[Andy]

Originally posted by Mario
For a board of it's size, there seems to be a decent attitude around here. I'm not saying that Atlas is a flame-free zone, but, it compares quite favourably to the attitude displayed by "another forum". I guess it comes down to personal maturity and a group of admins who actively participate in keeping the BB a fun but orderly place for discussion.

I know a compliment when I see one!! - THANKS!;)

A.

[Mario]

Welcome Andy

Now what's a "ring stinger"? Or should I ask?

[Nikolas Garth]

P.S. I have been told that the admins are an evil lot around here - control freaks

Mario, I dare say you were possibly influenced by 2 posters from DailyF1.

1.Sean - This guy comes into Atlas and starts calling some of Atlas' most respected posters "m*********er this, and **** that", simply because they disagreed with him(and the Atlas guys didn't use any such language.) One of our Admins at the time emailed him and asked him to restrain his abusive language, but he refused to do so, and got banned. Then he began the biggest crybaby sook about it on DailyF1, saying how ****ed the Atlas admin were, and what an innocent victim he was. Surprise, surprise, his behaviour at DailyF1 was so bad, that he got banned from there too. And it is not easy to get banned there.

2.Cataract Hatter - When this champ isn't structuring his responses in such a way as to have sub 80 IQ fools say "oh how I love your gay way of writing", he is forever trying to elevate himself to further champion status, by constantly declaring he is above all censorship and those that engage in it, no matter how infrequently, or with what justitification, are evil oppressors. Now heavy handed admin censoring shits me to tears, but it's a complete joke to pretend it can never occur and you will still have a great BB. There are simply too many juvenile minds running around for Cataract Hatter's notions to be feasible.

[bira]

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth

1.Sean - This guy comes into Atlas and starts calling some of Atlas' most respected posters "m*********er this, and **** that", simply because they disagreed with him(and the Atlas guys didn't use any such language.) One of our Admins at the time emailed him and asked him to restrain his abusive language, but he refused to do so, and got banned. Then he began the biggest crybaby sook about it on DailyF1, saying how ****ed the Atlas admin were, and what an innocent victim he was. Surprise, surprise, his behaviour at DailyF1 was so bad, that he got banned from there too. And it is not easy to get banned there.

Allow me to set the record straight

1) Sean was never ever banned. He went berserk one day, badmouthing some other member here, and in that post he also said "now I will probably get banned." He then went on to other BBs to say he was banned. But, he was never banned nor was he ever warned by mail. He simply made a case for himself as IF he was banned.

2) Sean then went on to slur Atlas F1 - Rich and myself specifically - on a few occasions, on a different BB. When I was showed what he had said, it was, to a large extent, a part of the reason I decided to stop posting on the BB as a member. It simply made me realize that there will always be an idiot or two that will ruin my enjoyment of working on this website, so best I give them the least oportunities to do so. I have thus posted, since February last year, only within my capacity as Atlas F1's editor and this BB's owner.

3) Sean never left Atlas F1. He simply registered at the same time with a new username and continued posting here. Rich, Pascal and I always knew he was here and while a part of me is tempted to publicly humiliate him and show him for the small and hypocrite person that he is, under his new identity he has never given us any reason to as much as warn him, and therefore throughout the past year he continued to post here unobstructedly.

So whatever you do, please do not propagate the deceitfull myth that he was ever banned, or was ever given any reason to smear us the way he did on other BBs.

Bira

[Nikolas Garth]

Okay,
I must have misinterpreted the conversation I had with one of the admin's about Sean. I had the impression he had been banned.

I certainly never felt he has ever had any reason to badmouth Atlas.

I am more than happy to admit I am wrong about him being banned.

[silver fan]

Err this is slightly 'OT' but here goes anyway. If somebody is banned and tries to re-register I assume the admins of the board can tell it is the same user by the IP number? Assuming I'm correct (yeah I know assumption is the 'mother of all ****ups') about this being the way of in effect keeping tabs on members, if you register with a different name and different e-mail (one that you registered via lets say a cyber-cafe, or library and not using your normal ISP) would you have a different IP number and as such be a 'new' member and not just an existing member trying to slip in the back door? If this sounds like a totally lame question then let me apologise as I have never claimed to be a computer geek and as such any knowledge regarding computers is largely self taught.

[Max Torque]

Wow.
The past of the Atlas Bulletin Board is so dark and full of secrets!

There was a time when Bira was participating regularly on this BB? How I would love to see that happen again. To me you always seemed as the mother-guardian of the BB, the one to step in and correct any wrongs that have gotten out of hand. Someone who is doing this more out of duty than need of discussion with others here. I believe other relatively new members may have the same impression. If you want to be an active poster (and have the time of course, since I understand how busy you must be) then I would certainly welcome it and I'm pretty sure others would too!
C'mon!

Anyway, this Sean character seems quite an interesting case. I wonder if he would have the guts to post here and admit who he is. Since you said you know who he is, it would seem very cowardly of him to still try and hide, depending on the people he so wrongly accused to protect his anonimity...
Doesn't he have any self respect?

[theMot]

silver fan, yeah you can do that easily, i did it about a year ago when i got banned for something for a while. I just fooled around with email adress and IPs and snuck back in. Really there is no way you can permanently ban someone. too many loop holes.

[baddog]

it is not practical to ban a reasonably expert internet user, as identity is so easily changeable. people do however tend to slip up and reveal themselves eventually as carelessness is pretty much universal.

I have to say it is enormously amusing in an unkind way to me that the lamer formerly known as sean is here under another name and the admins know, he knows they know, and he must be secretly fuming that they havent done anything about it. a fine example of NOT sinking to his level bira

btw I miss you as a poster here. I understand why you had to take your decision though.

Shaun

[bira]

Nik - I wasn't venting out at you, but rather at Sean

Baddog - oddly enough, and probably due to the very highly intelligent admins we have here, there have never been anyone banned who managed to come back here with a new ISP, a new e-mail and a new nickname, that we weren't able to recognise and trace very quickly

And thanks for the kind word - you can always come to the chat room though, I'm very much let loose over there ;)

Happy new year all.

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by bira
Nik - I wasn't venting out at you, but rather at Sean

Sounds good.

I guess I better not start speculating on who I think is the "new" Sean. ;)

I think I have a good idea too.;)

[Mario]

Interesting stuff. It's amazing - the "tales" I've read about "Atlas F1". Ah well, it is refreshing to hear another point of view. Thanks all

Cheers

[The Swerve]

Seems to work...

[Sally]

Ali_G, I think the identity is not for you to know.

[JaqFan]

Originally posted by Mario
Now what's a "ring stinger"? Or should I ask?

Go and search for some of Mottie's posts, then you'll understand.

[614david]

Or don't bother, his welcome's are usually enough to scare them off anyway, get used to the board before you go mot post searching:)

[JayWay]

Nik,

God, you are so right about CH. Spot on. It's because of him partially that I have adopted a false rep as a troublemaker. To many gulluble people at DailyF1.

Mario,

Do you still call up Raceline Radio. I haven't listened for a while, I remember hearing you call almost every week. I still think that show is a little to CART bias.

[Mario]

Jay,

Not for a few weeks now, nor have I really tuned in. A little too sprint cars, and NASCAR biased as well ;)

[Nomad]

Originally posted by bira
, there have never been anyone banned who managed to come back here with a new ISP, a new e-mail and a new nickname, that we weren't able to recognise and trace very quickly

Er....this is a little illogical isn't it.
I mean if someone "bloke1" did come back as a new person "bloke2" and you didn't recognise and trace them then you wouldn't know that you hadn't recognised and traced them, unless they said so.
ie
Bira " bloke1 never came back"
bloke2 " guess what I'm bloke1 "
Bira " gee I never guessed, damn"

Did that make sense to anyone but me

[The Swerve]

Erm.....

[FordPrefect]

I was going to be "bloke1" but I thought the name was taken

[Ray Bell]

I guess bira's point is that they are recognised and watched carefully, presumably, to see that they don't repeat their former errors.
They don't have to know that this happens.
In Art/Gunner's situation, it was revealed by posters...

[Sean L]

Just to let everyone know that Sean[b] is NOT [b]Sean L.

Thank you very much.

He only registered a few weeks before I did. In hindsight I should've gone for a more imaginative username.

[Andy]

Originally posted by Sean L
In hindsight I should've gone for a more imaginative username.

You too, eh??!

[mel]

nah!

[Sean]

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth

P.S. I have been told that the admins are an evil lot around here - control freaks

Mario, I dare say you were possibly influenced by 2 posters from DailyF1.

1.Sean - This guy comes into Atlas and starts calling some of Atlas' most respected posters "m*********er this, and **** that", simply because they disagreed with him(and the Atlas guys didn't use any such language.) One of our Admins at the time emailed him and asked him to restrain his abusive language, but he refused to do so, and got banned. Then he began the biggest crybaby sook about it on DailyF1, saying how ****ed the Atlas admin were, and what an innocent victim he was. Surprise, surprise, his behaviour at DailyF1 was so bad, that he got banned from there too. And it is not easy to get banned there.

Hi all. Nice to see I'm still remembered so fondly. I'm hardly the first, nor the last, to have believed what I said about this board at the time. Things appear to be more even-handed since then and the result is that there has been no reason (that I know of) for further recourse.

Garth. It's widely rumoured that you were Ator the Fighting Eagle. I suppose you would know how difficult it is indeed to get banned from DF1 in that case. Either way, your memory is the epitome of selectiveness.

LOL - F1razor "respected?" By his dog at best. Though I wonder about that...

2) Sean then went on to slur Atlas F1 - Rich and myself specifically - on a few occasions, on a different BB. When I was showed what he had said, it was, to a large extent, a part of the reason I decided to stop posting on the BB as a member. It simply made me realize that there will always be an idiot or two that will ruin my enjoyment of working on this website, so best I give them the least oportunities to do so. I have thus posted, since February last year, only within my capacity as Atlas F1's editor and this BB's owner.

When I am publicly admonished while the admin has my email address, I will do so as well in a manner I see fit. I don't apologise at all and marvel at the use of the word "hypocrite" myself.

Regards,

Sean/Piquet_1

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by Sean
Garth. It's widely rumoured that you were Ator the Fighting Eagle

Probably because I told a number of people about it here in a post for all the world to see.

But to correct you, Ator is a force from another universe that chooses to possess me now and then, in order to do good deeds on Earth. Also Ator has 5 times your strength and 9 times your intelligence.

[bira]

Sean/piquet_1,

Your apology is accepted.

Regards,

Bira

[Billy]

Originally posted by Nikolas Garth
Also Ator has 5 times your strength and 9 times your intelligence ...

and 10 times his vulgarity on the day you and Sean were both banned from DailyF1.

[Max Torque]

Nikolas, I hope you won't become Dark Ator one day and start consuming whole BBs with your outwordly power!
Because then, an intergalactic tribunal will have to try you, find you guilty and then convict you to death. Of course, you will escape, but with what little humanity left in you, you will take your own life for the sake of the universe...

[Brackets]

As a side note: I think that the "Ator the flaming flamingo" reference is the funniest thing I have ever read on a BB (Apart from Asasen's posts, but they are funny in another way). It has the famous 'Gay Tellytubbie' remark beaten by a country mile. IMHO, of course.

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by Billy
and 10 times his vulgarity on the day you and Sean were both banned from DailyF1. [/B]

Ator is the best in what ever he does.

[Sean]

After thinking about this thread for a few days, I admit I made one mistake in particular.

I'd read Atlas since mid-96 and thought it was a good site, but upon implementation of the forum I felt there was too much intrusion by the admins and I stayed away from the format, choosing another forum as "home." However, there were some very good subjects being discussed here, so I eventually signed up, under the name I'd used at other forums - Sean.

Unfortunately, I was already known at the other site by one Atlas contributor in particular who's inane arguments baffled everyone on another BB, and was labeled an "asshole from X forum" in the very first post in which I was addressed on Atlas. My behavior admittedly helped seal that impression eventually. I might add, my public statements on "the other forum" were due to my frustration here in feeling I was right about the administration policies, as well as not being able to get past personal attacks in discussing motorsport related topics. Did I help matters? No, of course not, however my frustration also stemmed by the fact that I felt I was far from the only person writing as I was at the time.

Further, I mentioned once on "the other forum" that I was banned (I also admit I'd forgotten about doing so in that instance until recently reminded). I'd tried to log a post and found I was unable to do so at the time, and so assumed I was banned, as would rightly be the case if I had been. I'd not yet seen Rich's public address to me since I decided to stay away - my assumption that I was banned further angered me since I felt that if I in fact was not permitted to post at Atlas, that I should receive a private message that it was the case. Instead, we had a misunderstanding.

At that time I went back to Atlas to read Rich's post, I saw a thread I very much wanted to weigh in on so I decided that if I wasn't banned, it was a good time to do what I should have done in the first place - use a different nickname. I'm aware that my IP would be the same as Sean has used and the admins would see it, and also my writing style might be recognised but felt the new nick was a good enough buffer and was warranted. But the fact remained I was not banned and I was trying to fool no one.

My mistake was choosing that first nickname - things didn't get off the ground. As Todd can surely attest, there is a stigma once an opinionated user is well known, and that can't easily be shook. However, one can start fresh using a new nick as Todd has done on "the other forum.," and in both cases it's worked pretty well. Unfortunately, the stigma from "Sean" predated me here at Atlas, and I probably should have been aware of that, and that some users wouldn't welcome Sean too warmly. I should have chosen Piquet_1 in the first place, and I'm willing to bet that had I done so, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Piquet_1's record speaks for itself - I like to discuss motorsports, and it's what I came here to do. Interestingly, this is far from the agenda Nikolas Garth et al had when he (they) decided to sign up as Ator on "the other forum" while Atlas personnel sat back and laughed at his antics which have hurt that forum in the long run far more than Sean ever would try or want to do.

That's the closest thing to an apology from me you'll see. I'll admit I didn't conduct myself the way I like to - as I said, I'm a racing fan who likes to discuss motorsport, that's all. Additionally, I often tend to be reactionary to the way I'm addressed - my fault. I'd like to continue, as Piquet_1 has for the past year, to post on Atlas. However if it is likely to cause an issue with those who have a vested interest in the site, I'll gladly stay away. I post too much anyway at various sites on my company's bill.

Regards,

Sean/Piquet_1

[bira]

Sean,

For what it's worth - I didn't know who 'Sean' is until you posted at dailyf1 about us. Someone e-mailed me back then asking why you were banned and I didn't even know what they were talking about. Seeing as back then I was the head of the admins and did the bannings (or was at least notified ahead of it), it came as a complete surprise to me that I was being accused of various things that may well be true - but are unknown to me.

I looked back at your posts back then. Up until the post where you lashed out at RedFever with rather abusive and gruesome language, they were rather interesting to read and you never as much as gave a sign of being someone problematic.

I could have brushed it off as an "he forgot his lithium" case. But you lead such a vicious attack on myself and on Atlas F1, that I was genuinely offended and could not just brush it aside as something to do with your mental state.

Instead, I elected to stay away from the Bulletin Board altogether. Like I said in my previous post on this thread, I realized that if I want to keep doing this job, I'm gonna have to minimize the possibilities of someone ruining my day, especially when I don't think I deserved it.

I take your appeasing tone in this thread as an apology. For your sake, we'd better leave it at that. I say for your sake not because I would ban you otherwise - I didn't ban you once you re-registered (and if you see the e-mail address you used for piquet_1 you'll understand why we knew instantly it was you...) - but because I think that, if you truly believe you are a decent person then you SHOULD apologise.

No one in the website - not least of all Paul Kaizar or myself, owners of this place - had done anything to deserve the mud you threw at our faces around the net. And, it should serve you at the very least as evidence that I very clearly remember every detail that had to do with your 'case' last year, and yet I did not as much as approach you throughout that time.

I let you 'live' and go about any which way you see fit.

That's not the minimal courtesy you had paid us, however...

* * *

Footnote: I post this here and not in private, because while I am far removed from the BB nowadays, I'd like people to perhaps take into consideration that the admins who are active on this BB are very much human beings with a great wish to serve. And serving does not mean being treaded on. Give them at least the minimal respect for doing all this voluntarily and give them the courtesy if only because they really do try to make this service better.

There are many many F1 Bulletin Boards out there. In fact, I had a look at some recently and from what I've seen, we must be doing things right, because our situation compared to some isn't too shabby at all ;)

[mahelgel]

I'm not commenting on this case, but i would say that the Admins and the posters on this board is pretty much sivilized. I haven't vitnessed anyone "attacing" anyone else (posters or admins), and considering the amount of posts pr day, that is pretty much remarkable. That fact may be because the admins are doing a good job, or me being to slow to notice, but i have a feeling that it doesn't happen very often atleast...

Anyway.. keep up the good work, both posters and admins, so that this place keeps having the good "feel" to it as it has.

[Mario]

There are many many F1 Bulletin Boards out there. In fact, I had a look at some recently and from what I've seen, we must be doing things right, because our situation compared to some isn't too shabby at all

lol @ bira

You can say that again and again and ...

;)

Atlas F1, IMHO, is the best "large-format" Formula One forum on the Internet. When I was more active at "the other forum", I predicted that the lack of forum administration would lead to more personal attacks and a general sense of dissatisfaction from reading the threads. Unfortunately, "the other forum" has been in a downward spiral for a very long time!