Can anyone help with some information about the 1950 Czechoslovakian Grand Prix, of which I know very little.
I have a couple of early 'Autosport' magazines, on 1 September 1950 the magazine states that the race takes place on the 24th September, open only to Formula Two cars. In the 15 September issue it mentions that the race was 'said to be cancelled'.
'The Guiness Guide to International Motor Racing' written by Peter Highman contains the information that it was an F1 race won by local-driver Vaclav Hovorka in a Maserati.
The race isn't mentioned on Darren Galpin's or Quintin Cloud's websites in the non-championship F1 results section, or in the non-championship section at Forix.
So, to what formula was the race held?
Where there any foreign entries? (Or was the race made up entirely of local drivers)
And, what type of Maserati did Hovorka drive?
Thanks in advance for any answers you may be able to provide.
1950 Czechoslovakian Grand Prix
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Posted 26 December 2000 - 12:36
Can’t help much. I’m afraid.
Apparentlly Bruno Sojka was second in one of the latest rear-engined sports Tatraplans, though whether this was a 2-litre (which could scrape in under F2) or the 2.5 (a very small F1) I don’t know. Nor do I know what sort of Maserati Václaw Hovorka used.
Apparentlly Bruno Sojka was second in one of the latest rear-engined sports Tatraplans, though whether this was a 2-litre (which could scrape in under F2) or the 2.5 (a very small F1) I don’t know. Nor do I know what sort of Maserati Václaw Hovorka used.
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Posted 26 December 2000 - 14:48
1950 Czechoslovakian Grand Prix
After the glory of the 1949 race, this year's race reverted to a merely local Formule Libre event. As before, it was held at the fine Brno circuit.
RESULTS
1.Vaclav Hovorka Maserati 1.58'26.6"
2.Bruno Sojka Tatra (1950 cc) 1.59'18.4"
3.Mladoboleslavsky Bobek Skoda (sc) 2.01'14.7"
4.Zdenek Sojka BMW (1957 cc) 2.03'28.8"
5.Jaroslav Vlcek Magda 2.04'11.7"
6.????? Fousek Skoda 2.08'07.8"
The Tatra in second place was the first of the type 607 rear-engined monopostos. They caused some excitement in Western Europe when it was realized that with their enlarged power plants they would be eligible for the 1954 Formula 1 regulations. Unfortuneatly they did not venture into international competition and virtually became racing testbeds for the engines of Tatra's large touring cars.
After the glory of the 1949 race, this year's race reverted to a merely local Formule Libre event. As before, it was held at the fine Brno circuit.
RESULTS
1.Vaclav Hovorka Maserati 1.58'26.6"
2.Bruno Sojka Tatra (1950 cc) 1.59'18.4"
3.Mladoboleslavsky Bobek Skoda (sc) 2.01'14.7"
4.Zdenek Sojka BMW (1957 cc) 2.03'28.8"
5.Jaroslav Vlcek Magda 2.04'11.7"
6.????? Fousek Skoda 2.08'07.8"
The Tatra in second place was the first of the type 607 rear-engined monopostos. They caused some excitement in Western Europe when it was realized that with their enlarged power plants they would be eligible for the 1954 Formula 1 regulations. Unfortuneatly they did not venture into international competition and virtually became racing testbeds for the engines of Tatra's large touring cars.
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Posted 26 December 2000 - 16:52
On second thoughts, Hovorka’s Maserati might have been the 6CM which countryman Václav Uhra had in the entry for the previous year’s race (crashing fatally in practice).
After the 1950 race the Brno circuit was turned over almost exclusively to motorcycles until 1962 (in the FJ era).
Four-wheeler races were however apparently held in 1952 and 1954. Winner in the first of these years was Jaroslav Pavelka in a single-seater Tatra. Powered by an air-cooled 2.5-litre V8, this was described at the time as being the first monoposto, and compounded my belief that Sojka’s 1950 car was a two-seater.
I don’t have any other details of the 1952 race, or any at all of the 1954 edition.
Cue Tony Kaye?
After the 1950 race the Brno circuit was turned over almost exclusively to motorcycles until 1962 (in the FJ era).
Four-wheeler races were however apparently held in 1952 and 1954. Winner in the first of these years was Jaroslav Pavelka in a single-seater Tatra. Powered by an air-cooled 2.5-litre V8, this was described at the time as being the first monoposto, and compounded my belief that Sojka’s 1950 car was a two-seater.
I don’t have any other details of the 1952 race, or any at all of the 1954 edition.
Cue Tony Kaye?
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Posted 26 December 2000 - 21:20
With reference to the 1952 and 1954 races and to quote the immortal Manuel (Fawlty, not Fangio), "I know Nuuuuuuthing."
Back to the 1950 race. This really was the first appearance of the rear-engined Tatra 607 monoposto. In fact there were two of them at Brno, one driven by Bruno Sojka, the other by Jaroslav Pavelka. I won't describe the cars in detail since they are pretty well covered in the general racing literature. As David says they were air-cooled V8's, which would have been unorthodox in any era of racing. Although the cars were similar in appearance the engines were different. Sojka's was 1,985cc (72 x 61mm) and Pavelka's was 2,350cc (72 x 72mm). It is said that despite the extra capacity, the performance of the two cars was similar. I have no idea what became of Pavelka's car in the race, however I can confirm that Vaclav Hovorka's Maserati was a 6CM, so David's deduction about its prior ownership is probably correct.
The engines of the 607's were progressively enlarged over the years until they exceeded the two and a half liter formula limit. Since this was in 1953, it rather suggests that the Koprivnice company had never had any aspirations for International Grand Prix racing. This was probably just as well because I don't think they ever produced more than 200 bhp. But they were fine looking, interesting cars at a time when front-engines were de rigeur. Two of them, maybe even three, still exist in fine condition.
Back to the 1950 race. This really was the first appearance of the rear-engined Tatra 607 monoposto. In fact there were two of them at Brno, one driven by Bruno Sojka, the other by Jaroslav Pavelka. I won't describe the cars in detail since they are pretty well covered in the general racing literature. As David says they were air-cooled V8's, which would have been unorthodox in any era of racing. Although the cars were similar in appearance the engines were different. Sojka's was 1,985cc (72 x 61mm) and Pavelka's was 2,350cc (72 x 72mm). It is said that despite the extra capacity, the performance of the two cars was similar. I have no idea what became of Pavelka's car in the race, however I can confirm that Vaclav Hovorka's Maserati was a 6CM, so David's deduction about its prior ownership is probably correct.
The engines of the 607's were progressively enlarged over the years until they exceeded the two and a half liter formula limit. Since this was in 1953, it rather suggests that the Koprivnice company had never had any aspirations for International Grand Prix racing. This was probably just as well because I don't think they ever produced more than 200 bhp. But they were fine looking, interesting cars at a time when front-engines were de rigeur. Two of them, maybe even three, still exist in fine condition.
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Posted 26 December 2000 - 23:20
Thank-you everyone for your help.
Is the original date I mentioned of 24th September correct for the 1950 race?
And, on the subject of the Tatra 607, I remember seeing Milan Zetek race one at Donington Park in September 1994. It was a very good looking car but, as you would expect, was not competitive against a field of Formula 2 and Formula Junior cars from the 1950's and early 60's.
Is the original date I mentioned of 24th September correct for the 1950 race?
And, on the subject of the Tatra 607, I remember seeing Milan Zetek race one at Donington Park in September 1994. It was a very good looking car but, as you would expect, was not competitive against a field of Formula 2 and Formula Junior cars from the 1950's and early 60's.
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Posted 27 December 2000 - 15:16
Entry list for 1950 race:
(in all czech diacritics is omited)
1 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - BMW 2000 ccm
2 - Vaclav Bobek - Skoda Supersport 1100 s/c
3 - Ing. Frantisek Dobry - Frazer Nash 2000
4 - X - Tatraplan Sport
5 - Jan Kubicek - Special
6 - Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatraplan Sport
7 - Antonin Komar - Cisitalia 1100 s/c
8 - Bruno Sojka - Tatra Monopost
9 - Josef Tvrdík - Z 14
10 - Zdenek Treybal - Tatra Monopost
11 - Vaclav Hovorka - Maserati 1500 s/c
12 - Vladimír Valenta - J.K Sport (Alfa Romeo engined)
14 - Josef Cernohorsky - Skoda 1100 s/c
15 - Ing. Jiri Pohl - Skoda Special s/c
16 - Karel Vlasin - Mono J.K.
21 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Magda III - FIAT 1100 s/c
22 - Josef Mikulka - Magda II s/c
Precise name was "Car Race on track of Czechoslovak Grand Prix" (Zavod automobilu na trati Velke ceny Ceskoslovenska).
Originally race was in international FIA Callender, but for political reason no foreign entries were invited and then dropped from calender. It was also sport cars race (Cena Brna sportovnich automobilu - Brno Prize) for four classes raced in two groups with 1 minute delay (duration 10 laps = 178 km). Main race was for 12 laps = 213,6 km. Race start can be at 9:45 hours. Official practice on TH (21) and FRI (22), from 14:00 to 17:30.
Results:
Started 14
as by Tony
7. Dobry (11 laps)
8. Komar (11 laps)
9. Netusil - Skoda 1100 (11 laps)
10. Cernohorsky
Retired:
Treybal 11lap
Valenta 6 lap
Pavelka 2 lap
Tvrdik 2 lap
FL _ Sojka (8.) 9:38 = 111 kmh
Practice: Grid was 2_1
1. Bruno Sojka 9:13
,,,
last Treybal no time
Wednesday practice was on wet and fastest was Hovorka with
10:20
About Hovorka's Maserati:
Really it was Uher's car from 1949 type 6CM with s/c
I have poor photo from that race, car was later raced by Tenora(51-53), Hovorka (54), probably Hubacek? and Filipovic?
[p][Edited by sat on 12-28-2000]
(in all czech diacritics is omited)
1 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - BMW 2000 ccm
2 - Vaclav Bobek - Skoda Supersport 1100 s/c
3 - Ing. Frantisek Dobry - Frazer Nash 2000
4 - X - Tatraplan Sport
5 - Jan Kubicek - Special
6 - Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatraplan Sport
7 - Antonin Komar - Cisitalia 1100 s/c
8 - Bruno Sojka - Tatra Monopost
9 - Josef Tvrdík - Z 14
10 - Zdenek Treybal - Tatra Monopost
11 - Vaclav Hovorka - Maserati 1500 s/c
12 - Vladimír Valenta - J.K Sport (Alfa Romeo engined)
14 - Josef Cernohorsky - Skoda 1100 s/c
15 - Ing. Jiri Pohl - Skoda Special s/c
16 - Karel Vlasin - Mono J.K.
21 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Magda III - FIAT 1100 s/c
22 - Josef Mikulka - Magda II s/c
Precise name was "Car Race on track of Czechoslovak Grand Prix" (Zavod automobilu na trati Velke ceny Ceskoslovenska).
Originally race was in international FIA Callender, but for political reason no foreign entries were invited and then dropped from calender. It was also sport cars race (Cena Brna sportovnich automobilu - Brno Prize) for four classes raced in two groups with 1 minute delay (duration 10 laps = 178 km). Main race was for 12 laps = 213,6 km. Race start can be at 9:45 hours. Official practice on TH (21) and FRI (22), from 14:00 to 17:30.
Results:
Started 14
as by Tony
7. Dobry (11 laps)
8. Komar (11 laps)
9. Netusil - Skoda 1100 (11 laps)
10. Cernohorsky
Retired:
Treybal 11lap
Valenta 6 lap
Pavelka 2 lap
Tvrdik 2 lap
FL _ Sojka (8.) 9:38 = 111 kmh
Practice: Grid was 2_1
1. Bruno Sojka 9:13
,,,
last Treybal no time
Wednesday practice was on wet and fastest was Hovorka with
10:20
About Hovorka's Maserati:
Really it was Uher's car from 1949 type 6CM with s/c
I have poor photo from that race, car was later raced by Tenora(51-53), Hovorka (54), probably Hubacek? and Filipovic?
[p][Edited by sat on 12-28-2000]
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Posted 27 December 2000 - 16:41
Stanislav,
This is great stuff, the kind of information that is impossible to find in English language magazines. Were races held at Brno in 1952 and 1954 as David says. Please tell us more!
This is great stuff, the kind of information that is impossible to find in English language magazines. Were races held at Brno in 1952 and 1954 as David says. Please tell us more!
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Posted 28 December 2000 - 01:44
Yes, it can be followed about another Czech races in fifties, races in 52 and 54 were "international", with competitors from East Germany (Deutsche Democratische Republik), but I neeed a little bit time.
Another intrested thing about race in 1950. Treybal car was
prepared day before the race and drived by Sojka from Koprivnice (Nesseldorf) to Brno on public road on Saturday evening (about 100 kms I though), Treybal make 2 necessary laps to qualify on Sunday morning before the race.
Another intrested thing about race in 1950. Treybal car was
prepared day before the race and drived by Sojka from Koprivnice (Nesseldorf) to Brno on public road on Saturday evening (about 100 kms I though), Treybal make 2 necessary laps to qualify on Sunday morning before the race.
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Posted 29 December 2000 - 18:41
sat, you have all the time in the world, but please, tell us all about it!!
Isn't the internet wonderful? I mean, how else could we expect to get such a wealth of information from all (or almost all) countries all over the world? Just TNF makes it possible...
Thanks again, Don!!! (and Bira, and all the others involved...)
Isn't the internet wonderful? I mean, how else could we expect to get such a wealth of information from all (or almost all) countries all over the world? Just TNF makes it possible...
Thanks again, Don!!! (and Bira, and all the others involved...)
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Posted 29 December 2000 - 18:58
Her are results from 1952:
28.9.1952 10:30
Race for Friendship of Nations
(Zavod druzby narodu)
Brno
8 laps
Racing cars + Sport 2L + Sport 1,1 L (with 1 minute delay each)
Started 5+9+11
Entry list
1 Edgar Barth - DDR - BMW 2000 ccm
2 Jaroslav Vazda - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra monopost 2545 ccm
3 Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra monopost 2545 ccm
4 Ing. Jiri Pohl - DSLM Praha - Skoda special 1500 ccm
5 Vaclav Bobek - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda 1221 s/c
6 Jan Tenora - DSLM DP Brno - Maserati 1500 s/c
Results
1. Pavelka 1:09:24,7
2. Barth 1:11:52,4
Retired
Pohl - 1 lap - engine (Skoda Special can be MG with Skoda motor)
Bobek - 3 laps - ?
Tenora - 4 laps - engine
28.9.1952 10:30
Race for Friendship of Nations
(Zavod druzby narodu)
Brno
8 laps
Racing cars + Sport 2L + Sport 1,1 L (with 1 minute delay each)
Started 5+9+11
Entry list
1 Edgar Barth - DDR - BMW 2000 ccm
2 Jaroslav Vazda - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra monopost 2545 ccm
3 Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra monopost 2545 ccm
4 Ing. Jiri Pohl - DSLM Praha - Skoda special 1500 ccm
5 Vaclav Bobek - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda 1221 s/c
6 Jan Tenora - DSLM DP Brno - Maserati 1500 s/c
Results
1. Pavelka 1:09:24,7
2. Barth 1:11:52,4
Retired
Pohl - 1 lap - engine (Skoda Special can be MG with Skoda motor)
Bobek - 3 laps - ?
Tenora - 4 laps - engine
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Posted 29 December 2000 - 20:08
Here is 1954 race
29.8.1954 10:50
Brno Prize
supporting race for GP Czechoslovakia for motocycles
6 laps x 17,8 = 106,8 km
race cars + Sport 1200 ccm (2 minutes delay)
Started 13 classified 9
Entry list
2 Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatra monopost
3 Adolf Vermirovsky - Tatra Monopost
4 Edgar Barth - DDR - EMW
5 Arthur Rosenhammer - DDR - EMW
6 Karel Cejnar - Skoda mono
24 Stanislav Kohout - KSP
25 Jiri Pohl -Special
26 Zdenek Sojka - BMW
27 Jan Filipovic - BMW
28 Jan Kubicek - Special
30 Ludvik Mikulasek - BMW
37 Oleg Rubos - BMW
46 Alois Rieger - Hakar
Grid 3_2_3
1. Rosenhammer
2. Pavelka
3. Barth
...
Results
1. Pavelka 52:12,1
2. Rosenhammer 54:05,8
3. Filipovic 1:00:29.5
Barth redired 3 lap Engine
Vermirovsky 5 laps ?
...
no more
I am sorry I can't translate from program these race about manifestations really socialist friendship of racing sportlers
to opposite of sensations and hazards of capitalist racing. Very precious!
29.8.1954 10:50
Brno Prize
supporting race for GP Czechoslovakia for motocycles
6 laps x 17,8 = 106,8 km
race cars + Sport 1200 ccm (2 minutes delay)
Started 13 classified 9
Entry list
2 Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatra monopost
3 Adolf Vermirovsky - Tatra Monopost
4 Edgar Barth - DDR - EMW
5 Arthur Rosenhammer - DDR - EMW
6 Karel Cejnar - Skoda mono
24 Stanislav Kohout - KSP
25 Jiri Pohl -Special
26 Zdenek Sojka - BMW
27 Jan Filipovic - BMW
28 Jan Kubicek - Special
30 Ludvik Mikulasek - BMW
37 Oleg Rubos - BMW
46 Alois Rieger - Hakar
Grid 3_2_3
1. Rosenhammer
2. Pavelka
3. Barth
...
Results
1. Pavelka 52:12,1
2. Rosenhammer 54:05,8
3. Filipovic 1:00:29.5
Barth redired 3 lap Engine
Vermirovsky 5 laps ?
...
no more
I am sorry I can't translate from program these race about manifestations really socialist friendship of racing sportlers
to opposite of sensations and hazards of capitalist racing. Very precious!
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Posted 29 December 2000 - 21:40
Thanks sat, really great info!!! 
Some day, maybe in 2005, I will cover you with questions about Formula Easter races in the sixties, seventies and eighties, after I have all the "mainstream" racing data gathered from members of TNF...
Some day, maybe in 2005, I will cover you with questions about Formula Easter races in the sixties, seventies and eighties, after I have all the "mainstream" racing data gathered from members of TNF...
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sat, does this list include the 1200 cc sports cars or are these entries all race cars?Originally posted by sat
29.8.1954 10:50
Brno Prize
supporting race for GP Czechoslovakia for motocycles
6 laps x 17,8 = 106,8 km
race cars + Sport 1200 ccm (2 minutes delay)
Started 13 classified 9
Entry list
2 Jaroslav Pavelka - Tatra monopost
3 Adolf Vermirovsky - Tatra Monopost
4 Edgar Barth - DDR - EMW
5 Arthur Rosenhammer - DDR - EMW
6 Karel Cejnar - Skoda mono
24 Stanislav Kohout - KSP
25 Jiri Pohl -Special
26 Zdenek Sojka - BMW
27 Jan Filipovic - BMW
28 Jan Kubicek - Special
30 Ludvik Mikulasek - BMW
37 Oleg Rubos - BMW
46 Alois Rieger - Hakar
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Posted 01 January 2001 - 23:05
In both races (52/54) only race cars. When you have interest, you can have sport cars entry list too.
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Posted 02 January 2001 - 19:15
I for one would very much like to see the sportscar details, if it's not too much trouble.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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24.9.50
Price of Brno for Sport Cars
(for cars complient to international rules of FIA and also czech rules of AKRC)
Start in two groups: classes 2000+1500 ccm and 1100+750 ccm (with 1 minute delay), each was counted separately
10 laps x17,8km % 178 km
Entry List// Results
750
31 - Frantisek Sutnar - Plzen - Aero Minor //1. 1:56:32,2
32 - Leopold Lancman - Liberec - Aero Minor //7. 2:08:51,9
33 - Jaroslav Smazik - Praha - Walter //4. 2:03:51,8
34 - Zdenek Treybal - Praha - Aero Minor
35 - Viktor Mraz - Praha - Pionyr-BMW
36 - ing. Jan Lamac - Praha - Sepal-BMW //3. 1:59:57,3
37 - dr. Vl. Pohorecky - Praha - Aero Minor
38 - Otakar Nimshaus - Praha - Aero Minor
39 - Ivan Hodac - Praha - Aero Minor
40 - Frantisek Kames - Brno - Aero Minor //2. 1:59:17,7
41 - Frantisek Paukert - Gottwaldov - Aero Minor
42 - Milos Machotka - Ostrava - Aero Minor
late entries?
Brenner - Aero Minor or AVA? //5. 2:07:15,5
Mrazek - Aero Minor //6. 2:08:44,1
1100
21 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Praha - Magda III-Fiat s/c //3. 1:50:17,9
22 - Josef Mikulka - Gottwaldov - Magda II-Fiat
23 - Jaroslav Netusil - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda //1. 1:48:03,9
24 - Miroslav Fousek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda //2. 1:48:05,4
25 - Oldrich Svoboda - Malenovice - Magda //5. (8 laps)
26 - Karel Kacha - Liberec - Fiat-Birda
27 - Alois Rieger - Kradec Kralove - Hakar-Fiat //4. 1:58:22,1
28 - Jaroslav Brokes - Zubri - Fiat
late entry?
Kriz - Simca-Fiat //6. (8 laps)
1500
14 - Josef Cernohorsky - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda s/c //1. 1:55:23,2
15 - ing. Jiri Pohl - Libneves - Skoda Special s/c** //ret 5 laps
16 - Vaclav Vanicek - Praha - Bugatti-Mackerle //3. (9 laps)
17 - Rudolf Lodes - Brno - Rulo //2. 2:06:19,9
18 - Karel Vachal - Praha - Alfa Romeo //4. (8 laps)
19 - Rudolf Taussig - Zabreh - BMW //5. (8 laps)
2000
1 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - Brno - BMW //1. 1:43:54,8
2 - Vaclav Bobek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda Supersport s/c //5. 1:49:45,0
3 - ing. Frantisek Dobry - Praha - Frazer Nash* //3. 1:44:54,6
4 - Bruno Sojka - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Sport //Ret 5 laps
5 - Jan Kubicek - Praha - Special //Ret 3 laps
6 - Jaroslav Pavelka - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Sport // 1:44:02,1
7 - St. Kohout - Praha - BMW //Ret 9 laps
8 - Jan Filipovic - BMW // 4. 1:49:04,9
9 - Adolf Vermirovsky - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Touring //6. 1:51:27,0
10 - Josef Kovar - Gottwaldov - BMW //Ret 6 laps
11 - Josef Moudry - Brno - BMW //Ret 7 laps
so we see no foreign entry, started 39 , grid 2_1_2
* possible #421/100/004
** probably MG Magnette with Skoda 1089 s/c
more started in same car in both (racing and sport) classes
to be continued...
Price of Brno for Sport Cars
(for cars complient to international rules of FIA and also czech rules of AKRC)
Start in two groups: classes 2000+1500 ccm and 1100+750 ccm (with 1 minute delay), each was counted separately
10 laps x17,8km % 178 km
Entry List// Results
750
31 - Frantisek Sutnar - Plzen - Aero Minor //1. 1:56:32,2
32 - Leopold Lancman - Liberec - Aero Minor //7. 2:08:51,9
33 - Jaroslav Smazik - Praha - Walter //4. 2:03:51,8
34 - Zdenek Treybal - Praha - Aero Minor
35 - Viktor Mraz - Praha - Pionyr-BMW
36 - ing. Jan Lamac - Praha - Sepal-BMW //3. 1:59:57,3
37 - dr. Vl. Pohorecky - Praha - Aero Minor
38 - Otakar Nimshaus - Praha - Aero Minor
39 - Ivan Hodac - Praha - Aero Minor
40 - Frantisek Kames - Brno - Aero Minor //2. 1:59:17,7
41 - Frantisek Paukert - Gottwaldov - Aero Minor
42 - Milos Machotka - Ostrava - Aero Minor
late entries?
Brenner - Aero Minor or AVA? //5. 2:07:15,5
Mrazek - Aero Minor //6. 2:08:44,1
1100
21 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Praha - Magda III-Fiat s/c //3. 1:50:17,9
22 - Josef Mikulka - Gottwaldov - Magda II-Fiat
23 - Jaroslav Netusil - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda //1. 1:48:03,9
24 - Miroslav Fousek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda //2. 1:48:05,4
25 - Oldrich Svoboda - Malenovice - Magda //5. (8 laps)
26 - Karel Kacha - Liberec - Fiat-Birda
27 - Alois Rieger - Kradec Kralove - Hakar-Fiat //4. 1:58:22,1
28 - Jaroslav Brokes - Zubri - Fiat
late entry?
Kriz - Simca-Fiat //6. (8 laps)
1500
14 - Josef Cernohorsky - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda s/c //1. 1:55:23,2
15 - ing. Jiri Pohl - Libneves - Skoda Special s/c** //ret 5 laps
16 - Vaclav Vanicek - Praha - Bugatti-Mackerle //3. (9 laps)
17 - Rudolf Lodes - Brno - Rulo //2. 2:06:19,9
18 - Karel Vachal - Praha - Alfa Romeo //4. (8 laps)
19 - Rudolf Taussig - Zabreh - BMW //5. (8 laps)
2000
1 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - Brno - BMW //1. 1:43:54,8
2 - Vaclav Bobek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda Supersport s/c //5. 1:49:45,0
3 - ing. Frantisek Dobry - Praha - Frazer Nash* //3. 1:44:54,6
4 - Bruno Sojka - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Sport //Ret 5 laps
5 - Jan Kubicek - Praha - Special //Ret 3 laps
6 - Jaroslav Pavelka - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Sport // 1:44:02,1
7 - St. Kohout - Praha - BMW //Ret 9 laps
8 - Jan Filipovic - BMW // 4. 1:49:04,9
9 - Adolf Vermirovsky - Koprivnice - Tatraplan Touring //6. 1:51:27,0
10 - Josef Kovar - Gottwaldov - BMW //Ret 6 laps
11 - Josef Moudry - Brno - BMW //Ret 7 laps
so we see no foreign entry, started 39 , grid 2_1_2
* possible #421/100/004
** probably MG Magnette with Skoda 1089 s/c
more started in same car in both (racing and sport) classes
to be continued...
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Results 1952
Sport cars 750cm
10 laps planned 6 laps raced
Started 27 Classified 17
Grid 3_2_3
1 - Frantisek Kames - DSLM ZJF Brno - Aero Minor // 7. 1:05:58,1 - Practice 1.
2 - Otakar Nimshaus - DSLM OT Praha - Aero Minor
3 - Miroslav Struzka - DSML Metaz Jaromer - Aero Minor
4 - Josef Unlir - DSLM Autorenova Hradec Kralove - Ponny
5 - Vaclav Hovorka - DSLM Praha - HVM // 8. 1:06:57,1 - Pr. 2.
6 - Vaclav Jelinek - DSLM Podebrady - Walter // 11. 1:07:32,3 - Pr.4
7 - Alois Gbelec - DSLM ZJF Brno - Aero Minor
8 - Oldrich Pasch - DSLM Praha - Aero Minor
9 - Josef Styler -DSLM Praha - Margab Minor SS // 1. 1:03:09,5 - Pr. 3
10 - Karel Petrak - DSLM Praha - ?? // 9 .1:07:13,8
11 - Josef Schleichert - DSLM Rudy Letov n.p. Letnany - Aero Minor // 3. 1:04:43,0 - Pr. 5
12 - Vaclav Langr - DSLM Autorenova Liberec - Aero Minor
14 - Ladislav Turek - DSLM Praha - AVA
15 - Milos Machotka - DSLM Ostrava - Aero Minor // started
16 - Vaclav Barcal - DSLM Avia Letnany - Avia
17 - Polda Lancman - DSLM Liberec - Aero Minor // 5. 1:05:15,0 Pr. 6.
18 - Viktor Mráz - DSLM Sberne suroviny n.p. Praha - Pionyr // 4. 1:04:45,0
19 - Oldrich Susta - DSLM Autorenova Plzen - Minor SA
20 - Jan Mrazek - DSLM Autodruzstvo Praha-Zizkov - Aero Minor // 10. 1:07:18,3
21 - dr. Vl. Pohorecky - DSLM UVMV Praha - Aero Minor
22 - Jaroslav Brokes - DSLM MOP Roznov p. R. - Pionyr // Pr. 8
23 - Jan Remes - DSLM Praha - Minor II
24 - Jiri Valchar - DSLM Brno - Lomicar
25 - Jan Tenora - DSLM Dopravni podniky Brno - Sepal BMW // 2. 1:03:12,1
26 - Jaroslav Smazik - DSLM Tesla Praha - Walter
27 - Frantisek Sobr - DSLM Praha - AVA-Minor
28 - Ivan Hodac - DSLM Motorlet Praha - Minor II // 6. 1:05:54,3 Pr. 7
Sport cars 1100
Raced 8 laps
Started 11
30 - Oldrich Kriz - DSLM Autorenova Kyjov - Skoda // strarted
31 - Viktor Krupicka - AZNP Mlada Bolesla - Skoda // started
32 - Metodej Prikryl -DSLM Sigma Hranice - Magda // 3. 1:20:31,6
33 - Josef Mikulka - DSLM Gottwaldov - Magda // 6. 1:28:31,9
34 - Jaroslav Vlcek - DSLM Odevni tvorba Praha - Magda IV // 1. 1:18:42,3
35 - Alois Rieger - DSLM - Hakar // 5. 1:28:09,3
36 - Milos Krenek - DSLM Pramen Brno - Skoda // started
37 - Erich Hochmogel - DDR - IFA 900 ccm // 4. 1:23:01,2
38 - Helmuth Richter - DDR - IFA 900 ccm // started
39 - Zdenek Treybal - DSLM Praha - HMV 784 ccm // started
not entered
40 - Cernohorsky Josef - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 2. 1:19:49,5
41 - ? - BMW
Sport cars 2000
Raced 8 laps
Started 9
10 - Stanislav Kohout - DSLM Pozemni stavby Praha - KSP // Retired 4 laps
11 - Jan Filipovic - DSLM Dolni Bojanovice - BMW // 3. 1:22:41,6
12 - Ludvik Mikolas - DSLM Vrbno ve Slezsku - BMW // Retired 5 laps
14 - Jaroslav Netusil - AZNP Malad Boleslav - Skoda 1221 ccm // 2. 1:19:05,0
15 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - DSLM Brno - BMW // Retired 5 laps
16 - Alois Konecny - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra Sport // Konecny replaced by Chovanec 1.1:17:52,6
17 - Rudolf Lodes - DSLM Dopravni podniky Brno - Rulo // 5. 1:26:59,4
18 - Josef Cernohorsky - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda 1221 ccm // raced in 1100
19 - Kurt Strobel - DDR - BMW // Retired 5 laps
not entered
20 - T. Sale - BMW - 4. 1:26:01,2[p][Edited by sat on 01-09-2001]
Sport cars 750cm
10 laps planned 6 laps raced
Started 27 Classified 17
Grid 3_2_3
1 - Frantisek Kames - DSLM ZJF Brno - Aero Minor // 7. 1:05:58,1 - Practice 1.
2 - Otakar Nimshaus - DSLM OT Praha - Aero Minor
3 - Miroslav Struzka - DSML Metaz Jaromer - Aero Minor
4 - Josef Unlir - DSLM Autorenova Hradec Kralove - Ponny
5 - Vaclav Hovorka - DSLM Praha - HVM // 8. 1:06:57,1 - Pr. 2.
6 - Vaclav Jelinek - DSLM Podebrady - Walter // 11. 1:07:32,3 - Pr.4
7 - Alois Gbelec - DSLM ZJF Brno - Aero Minor
8 - Oldrich Pasch - DSLM Praha - Aero Minor
9 - Josef Styler -DSLM Praha - Margab Minor SS // 1. 1:03:09,5 - Pr. 3
10 - Karel Petrak - DSLM Praha - ?? // 9 .1:07:13,8
11 - Josef Schleichert - DSLM Rudy Letov n.p. Letnany - Aero Minor // 3. 1:04:43,0 - Pr. 5
12 - Vaclav Langr - DSLM Autorenova Liberec - Aero Minor
14 - Ladislav Turek - DSLM Praha - AVA
15 - Milos Machotka - DSLM Ostrava - Aero Minor // started
16 - Vaclav Barcal - DSLM Avia Letnany - Avia
17 - Polda Lancman - DSLM Liberec - Aero Minor // 5. 1:05:15,0 Pr. 6.
18 - Viktor Mráz - DSLM Sberne suroviny n.p. Praha - Pionyr // 4. 1:04:45,0
19 - Oldrich Susta - DSLM Autorenova Plzen - Minor SA
20 - Jan Mrazek - DSLM Autodruzstvo Praha-Zizkov - Aero Minor // 10. 1:07:18,3
21 - dr. Vl. Pohorecky - DSLM UVMV Praha - Aero Minor
22 - Jaroslav Brokes - DSLM MOP Roznov p. R. - Pionyr // Pr. 8
23 - Jan Remes - DSLM Praha - Minor II
24 - Jiri Valchar - DSLM Brno - Lomicar
25 - Jan Tenora - DSLM Dopravni podniky Brno - Sepal BMW // 2. 1:03:12,1
26 - Jaroslav Smazik - DSLM Tesla Praha - Walter
27 - Frantisek Sobr - DSLM Praha - AVA-Minor
28 - Ivan Hodac - DSLM Motorlet Praha - Minor II // 6. 1:05:54,3 Pr. 7
Sport cars 1100
Raced 8 laps
Started 11
30 - Oldrich Kriz - DSLM Autorenova Kyjov - Skoda // strarted
31 - Viktor Krupicka - AZNP Mlada Bolesla - Skoda // started
32 - Metodej Prikryl -DSLM Sigma Hranice - Magda // 3. 1:20:31,6
33 - Josef Mikulka - DSLM Gottwaldov - Magda // 6. 1:28:31,9
34 - Jaroslav Vlcek - DSLM Odevni tvorba Praha - Magda IV // 1. 1:18:42,3
35 - Alois Rieger - DSLM - Hakar // 5. 1:28:09,3
36 - Milos Krenek - DSLM Pramen Brno - Skoda // started
37 - Erich Hochmogel - DDR - IFA 900 ccm // 4. 1:23:01,2
38 - Helmuth Richter - DDR - IFA 900 ccm // started
39 - Zdenek Treybal - DSLM Praha - HMV 784 ccm // started
not entered
40 - Cernohorsky Josef - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 2. 1:19:49,5
41 - ? - BMW
Sport cars 2000
Raced 8 laps
Started 9
10 - Stanislav Kohout - DSLM Pozemni stavby Praha - KSP // Retired 4 laps
11 - Jan Filipovic - DSLM Dolni Bojanovice - BMW // 3. 1:22:41,6
12 - Ludvik Mikolas - DSLM Vrbno ve Slezsku - BMW // Retired 5 laps
14 - Jaroslav Netusil - AZNP Malad Boleslav - Skoda 1221 ccm // 2. 1:19:05,0
15 - Ing. Zdenek Sojka - DSLM Brno - BMW // Retired 5 laps
16 - Alois Konecny - Tatra n.p. Koprivnice - Tatra Sport // Konecny replaced by Chovanec 1.1:17:52,6
17 - Rudolf Lodes - DSLM Dopravni podniky Brno - Rulo // 5. 1:26:59,4
18 - Josef Cernohorsky - AZNP Mlada Boleslav - Skoda 1221 ccm // raced in 1100
19 - Kurt Strobel - DDR - BMW // Retired 5 laps
not entered
20 - T. Sale - BMW - 4. 1:26:01,2[p][Edited by sat on 01-09-2001]
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Posted 06 January 2001 - 10:58
Marvelous stuff, sat.
I presume the BMW driver Strobel (1952) was Kurt Straubel, that year’s DDR 2.0 sportscar champion in an IFA - I wonder if his Brno mount was in fact an IFA, which would of course have been BMW-based.
Also, do you know anything about the winning Chovanec? Was it a Tatra development? Or something else entirely?
I presume the BMW driver Strobel (1952) was Kurt Straubel, that year’s DDR 2.0 sportscar champion in an IFA - I wonder if his Brno mount was in fact an IFA, which would of course have been BMW-based.
Also, do you know anything about the winning Chovanec? Was it a Tatra development? Or something else entirely?
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Posted 06 January 2001 - 23:08
For David McKinney. I don't know about Strobel. In race programe is spelled this metod. But I mean IFA had little common with BMW. So I know East German versions of BMW were called EMW (sport versions also ADMV). IFA was smaller car with two-stroke engine based on pre-war DKW, but for one moment was IFA also name of common management for both production plants, so exactly I know nothing. Jaroslav Pavelka was one of factory drivers in Tatar Koprivnice, his car - Tatra T602 (or Tatraplan Sport).
29.8.54
National car race for
Price of City Brno (Cena mesta Brna)
6 laps
Sport 750
Started 31 Classified 16
61 - Vaclav Hovorka - UDA - HMV // 3. 1:02:11,8
62 - Josef Styler - Praha - Margab // Retired
63 - Ivan Hodac - Praha - Minor II
64 - Frantisek Kames -Brno - Minor // 1. 1:02:04,2
65 - Polda Lancman - Liberec - Minor // Retired
66 - Viktor Mraz - Pionyr
67 - Otakar Nimshaus - Praha - Aero Minor // Retired 1 lap
68 - Josef Schleichert - Suchdol - Minor // 4.
69 - Karel Vachal - Minor II
70 - Vaclav Barcal - Kojetice - Avia-BMW
71 - Jaroslav Brokes - Zubri - Pionyr
72 - Jiri Bulicek - Hradec Kralove - Ponny
73 - Karel Uxa - Plzen - Aero Minor
74 - Alois Gbelec - Brno - Aero Minor
76 - Miroslav Berkman - UDA - Strela // Retired
77 - Ladislav Hubacek - UDA - Strela
78 - Bohuslav Kynera - Brno - Minor
80 - Milos Machotka - Ostrava - Minor SS
81 - Milos Micik - Nitra - Miami
83 - Oldrich Pasch - Praha - Aero Minor
84 - Karel Petrak - Zbraslav - Golias SV
85 - Bretislav Kremel - Novy Jicin - HMV
87 - Jaroslav Smazik - Praha - Walter
88 - Olda Svoboda - Gottwaldov - Minor
89 - Oldrich Susta - Plzen - Minor-BMW
90 - Jan Tenora - Brno - Dynamic 40
91 - Jiri Valchar - Plzen - Lomicar
92 - Arnost Vavra - Jiretin - Minor
93 - Bohuslav Adamek - Modrany - Minor II
95 - Frantisek Brill - Plzen - Minor // 2 1:02:11,2
97 - Zdenek Wasserbauer - Prostejov - Minor
98 - Karel Sustr - Zbraslav - Minor II
Sport 1200 (10:52)
Started 11
41 - Miroslav Fousek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 3. 58:16,1
42 - Vaclav Bobek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 1. 57:14,8
43 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Praha - Magda // 2. 58:12,6
44 - Oldrich Kriz - Kyjov - Skoda
45 - Jan Tenora - Brno - Dynamic 60
48 - Rudolf Lodes - Brno - Rulo
51 - Metodej Prikryl - Hranice - Magda
52 - Jiri Bulicek - Hradec Kralove - Magda
53 - Olda Svoboda - Gottwaldov - Magda
54 - Zdenek Treybal - Praha - Eso
55 - Jaroslav Netusil - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda
29.8.54
National car race for
Price of City Brno (Cena mesta Brna)
6 laps
Sport 750
Started 31 Classified 16
61 - Vaclav Hovorka - UDA - HMV // 3. 1:02:11,8
62 - Josef Styler - Praha - Margab // Retired
63 - Ivan Hodac - Praha - Minor II
64 - Frantisek Kames -Brno - Minor // 1. 1:02:04,2
65 - Polda Lancman - Liberec - Minor // Retired
66 - Viktor Mraz - Pionyr
67 - Otakar Nimshaus - Praha - Aero Minor // Retired 1 lap
68 - Josef Schleichert - Suchdol - Minor // 4.
69 - Karel Vachal - Minor II
70 - Vaclav Barcal - Kojetice - Avia-BMW
71 - Jaroslav Brokes - Zubri - Pionyr
72 - Jiri Bulicek - Hradec Kralove - Ponny
73 - Karel Uxa - Plzen - Aero Minor
74 - Alois Gbelec - Brno - Aero Minor
76 - Miroslav Berkman - UDA - Strela // Retired
77 - Ladislav Hubacek - UDA - Strela
78 - Bohuslav Kynera - Brno - Minor
80 - Milos Machotka - Ostrava - Minor SS
81 - Milos Micik - Nitra - Miami
83 - Oldrich Pasch - Praha - Aero Minor
84 - Karel Petrak - Zbraslav - Golias SV
85 - Bretislav Kremel - Novy Jicin - HMV
87 - Jaroslav Smazik - Praha - Walter
88 - Olda Svoboda - Gottwaldov - Minor
89 - Oldrich Susta - Plzen - Minor-BMW
90 - Jan Tenora - Brno - Dynamic 40
91 - Jiri Valchar - Plzen - Lomicar
92 - Arnost Vavra - Jiretin - Minor
93 - Bohuslav Adamek - Modrany - Minor II
95 - Frantisek Brill - Plzen - Minor // 2 1:02:11,2
97 - Zdenek Wasserbauer - Prostejov - Minor
98 - Karel Sustr - Zbraslav - Minor II
Sport 1200 (10:52)
Started 11
41 - Miroslav Fousek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 3. 58:16,1
42 - Vaclav Bobek - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda // 1. 57:14,8
43 - Jaroslav Vlcek - Praha - Magda // 2. 58:12,6
44 - Oldrich Kriz - Kyjov - Skoda
45 - Jan Tenora - Brno - Dynamic 60
48 - Rudolf Lodes - Brno - Rulo
51 - Metodej Prikryl - Hranice - Magda
52 - Jiri Bulicek - Hradec Kralove - Magda
53 - Olda Svoboda - Gottwaldov - Magda
54 - Zdenek Treybal - Praha - Eso
55 - Jaroslav Netusil - Mlada Boleslav - Skoda
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Posted 07 January 2001 - 17:32
My understanding is that the 2-litre BMW-based DAMW cars from the DDR raced as IFAs in 1952 (and EMWs 1953). Straubel was DDR champion that year in a 2000 IFA. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear with my question about the "winner". I meant the winner of the 2000 sportscar class in 1952, Konecny. I read your listing as
meaning he was entered in a Tatra Sport but switched cars before the race and instead drove a car called a Chovanec. Was my guess correct, and do you know anything about the car?
meaning he was entered in a Tatra Sport but switched cars before the race and instead drove a car called a Chovanec. Was my guess correct, and do you know anything about the car?
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Posted 07 January 2001 - 17:47
Sat, your data is absolutely unique. It introduces us to a whole new world of motor racing. Where else can we read of Magdas, Hakars, Rulos, Pionyrs, Lomicars etc. and drivers who rarely, if ever, ventured into the West?
I have now had time to digest your material in depth and as always there are a few questions.
1950 Racing Cars. Was it MIROSLAV Fousek who finished 6th and JAROSLAV Netusil who finished 9th? Neither of them appear in your entry list. Do you know which drivers in the entry list did NOT take part in the race?
1950 Sports Cars. Was that JAN Mrazek, who finished 6th in the 750cc class?
1952 Sports Cars. Car #4, could Ponny be a typo for Pionyr? Car #16, was 'Chovanec' the name of the car or the driver? What do DSLM and AZNP mean? The sports car race in 1950 was called 'Cena Brno Sportovnich Automobilu'. Was this also the name of the 1952 sports car race?
1954 Racing Cars. You state that there were 13 starters and 9 CLASSIFIED. I understand this as 9 who finished the race. Is this correct or have I misunderstood?
Sat, you have probably given us more NEW information in this thread than there was in the latest 30 Ferrari books combined. (Not that I bothered to read them!)
I have now had time to digest your material in depth and as always there are a few questions.
1950 Racing Cars. Was it MIROSLAV Fousek who finished 6th and JAROSLAV Netusil who finished 9th? Neither of them appear in your entry list. Do you know which drivers in the entry list did NOT take part in the race?
1950 Sports Cars. Was that JAN Mrazek, who finished 6th in the 750cc class?
1952 Sports Cars. Car #4, could Ponny be a typo for Pionyr? Car #16, was 'Chovanec' the name of the car or the driver? What do DSLM and AZNP mean? The sports car race in 1950 was called 'Cena Brno Sportovnich Automobilu'. Was this also the name of the 1952 sports car race?
1954 Racing Cars. You state that there were 13 starters and 9 CLASSIFIED. I understand this as 9 who finished the race. Is this correct or have I misunderstood?
Sat, you have probably given us more NEW information in this thread than there was in the latest 30 Ferrari books combined. (Not that I bothered to read them!)
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Posted 07 January 2001 - 19:23
You have some of the same concerns as me, Tony.
However, I think I've worked out the Fousek/Netusil problem. They are listed in the sportscar race, which was run concurrently.
And you're certainly right in your comments about sat's records opening up a whole new world for us - amazing!
However, I think I've worked out the Fousek/Netusil problem. They are listed in the sportscar race, which was run concurrently.
And you're certainly right in your comments about sat's records opening up a whole new world for us - amazing!
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Posted 07 January 2001 - 22:02
Once more about #16 Tatra and 1952: appologies - when I write Pavelka i mean Chovanec (sorry I don't know 1st name), he started instead of Alois Konecny on Tatra T602. So I make a nice chaos.
And for Tony, was that Jan Mrazek, that Miroslav and that Jaroslav. Neither of them appear in any list. Ponny is completely another one off, than Pionyr. Name 1952 was "Zavod druzby narodu" (race for friendship of nations) for all categories (motocycles inclusive). But what means name of race in comparision with very important fotografies of Generallisimus Stalin, Czech president Klement Gottwald and Minister of national defence Army general Doctor Alexej Cepicka (son-on-law of comrade president), which take full 3 of 20 pages official program book. Through friendship of nations to worldwide peace.
And here is also one free ticket to an exhibition of fotografies about fury of imperialism "From Hitler to Truman" in city Brno.
DSLM - Dobrovolny svaz lidoveho motorismu = Voluntary union of national motoring. When I want to be a racer I MUST be voluntary member of union.
Citation from programe:
DSLM - new organisation for workmen - started after reoganisation in new life with motto "Soviet motoring - our ideal ! "
AZNP - Automobilove zavody, narodni podnik = Automobile works, national enterprise = that was a name for Skoda in that time
Classified is not finished, finished is that, who was crossed finish line, classified is every, who make obligatory minimum of laps.
About Magda, Lomicar, Hvezda etc is for another tread or ...
And for Tony, was that Jan Mrazek, that Miroslav and that Jaroslav. Neither of them appear in any list. Ponny is completely another one off, than Pionyr. Name 1952 was "Zavod druzby narodu" (race for friendship of nations) for all categories (motocycles inclusive). But what means name of race in comparision with very important fotografies of Generallisimus Stalin, Czech president Klement Gottwald and Minister of national defence Army general Doctor Alexej Cepicka (son-on-law of comrade president), which take full 3 of 20 pages official program book. Through friendship of nations to worldwide peace.
And here is also one free ticket to an exhibition of fotografies about fury of imperialism "From Hitler to Truman" in city Brno.
DSLM - Dobrovolny svaz lidoveho motorismu = Voluntary union of national motoring. When I want to be a racer I MUST be voluntary member of union.
Citation from programe:
DSLM - new organisation for workmen - started after reoganisation in new life with motto "Soviet motoring - our ideal ! "
AZNP - Automobilove zavody, narodni podnik = Automobile works, national enterprise = that was a name for Skoda in that time
Classified is not finished, finished is that, who was crossed finish line, classified is every, who make obligatory minimum of laps.
About Magda, Lomicar, Hvezda etc is for another tread or ...
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Posted 08 January 2001 - 02:49
Sat,
I really enjoyed your definition of DSLM. Little by little you are opening a window on a world of motor racing that we in the West couldn't even imagine. How involved was the Communist party/government in racing. What form did it take?
I really enjoyed your definition of DSLM. Little by little you are opening a window on a world of motor racing that we in the West couldn't even imagine. How involved was the Communist party/government in racing. What form did it take?
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Posted 08 January 2001 - 03:13
It is threads like this that make it all worth it! Wow! This is impressive. And it opens yet another door....
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Posted 08 January 2001 - 03:37
Don, as an indication of the growth of TNF, late last night I returned from a 32 hours (or thereabouts) absence and it took me most of the next four hours to catch up with all the threads that had seen activity since I'd gone.
At the same time last year I can remember when there were periods of 24 hours on this forum when only two or three threads would see a post.
And there was nothing like this!
Back then there was no Barry Boor, Hans, fines, Wolf, Karl, Leif, David, Milan or many others.
I'm not sure, and it doesn't warrant looking, but I don't think the likes of KZKiwi, AUSTRIA, Keir and so on were even posting then.
In fact, it would be interesting to see the starting dates for many of our more prominent posters here.
At the same time last year I can remember when there were periods of 24 hours on this forum when only two or three threads would see a post.
And there was nothing like this!
Back then there was no Barry Boor, Hans, fines, Wolf, Karl, Leif, David, Milan or many others.
I'm not sure, and it doesn't warrant looking, but I don't think the likes of KZKiwi, AUSTRIA, Keir and so on were even posting then.
In fact, it would be interesting to see the starting dates for many of our more prominent posters here.
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Posted 08 January 2001 - 04:09
Ray, I used to only check in once a day or so to see how things were going -- now, I find myself doing it several times a day to keep from getting too far behind. When I took a break over Christmas it took hours to catch up! Whenever I am TDY is always a toss-up which will be worse: the email & phone calls at the office or the emails and postings concerning my racing hstory endeavors....
It is exactly this sort of thread and the ones like Tony did on the South American races, those you and others have done of the Ozzie events, and on and on that we had in mind when we started this. I am unable to find another forum that does what this one does.
Sat, thanks for the great info!
It is exactly this sort of thread and the ones like Tony did on the South American races, those you and others have done of the Ozzie events, and on and on that we had in mind when we started this. I am unable to find another forum that does what this one does.
Sat, thanks for the great info!
