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[holiday]

Suzuka 2006
Korea 2010

Each time he was good enough to be in a position to profit from the bad luck of his direct competitors, but he is definitely also kissed by Fortuna, the Goddess of Luck.

[Madras]

That's 2 races.

[Jackmancer]

That's 2 races.

Indeed. Season is longer then that. Just another QQ topic.

[Don_Humpador]

He also drove a damn good race today.

[Risil]

He has the mental strength to finish second again and again without being discouraged, without allowing his belief that he is The Best to waver. And then when inevitably something goes wrong for the guy in front of him, he wins. Eddie Lawson won how many world motorcycle championships with that sort of strategy?

[Zava]

That's 2 races.

both in sharp fights, and inheriting the win from his greatest opponent for the last (2) race(s). he had a couple more (think about this year bahrein, or have a look at season 2005), I think the OP meant "inheritor at the end of the year" or something

[AlanWake]

Sounds like another Fernando bash thread...

[harrows]

That's 2 races.

There'd be at least 5 more just from 2005.

[SuRGe]

sour grapes anyone?

[notguilty56]

Suzuka 2006
Korea 2010

Each time he was good enough to be in a position to profit from the bad luck of his direct competitors, but he is definitely also kissed by Fortuna, the Goddess of Luck.

Spanish saying: "Al saber le llaman suerte" ("know how" is called "fortune" by some). Please, review the whole season

[AlanWake]

Suzuka 2006

You forgot how lucky Michael was when Alonso lost 18 points due to reability problems (Monza and Hungary)

[primer]

Today Fernando managed his tires really well. I am quite impressed by that. He was in a good position to challenge Vettel in the last few laps, but Vettel had engine failure before we could see any moves being made. If racing so competently makes Alonso an 'inheritor', well, then many F1 drivers can learn a thing or two from him.

[apoka]

Melbourne this year Vettel also had a motor problem and Alonso got the win. For the thread to make sense, it would be far better to have all races where Alonso inherited victories due to technical problems of other cars and races where Alonso did not win a race due to technical problems. Just naming two races isn't a very good opening post.

[phil1993]

Oh god another pointless thread. Okay, he benefitted a lot in 2005 but if he drove averagely like Fisi then how many wins would he have got?

[jey16]

just like Hamilton inherited the 2008 WDC at the last corner right?

[AlanWake]

just like Hamilton inherited the 2008 WDC at the last corner right?

Thanks Timo Glock

[HP]

But you make your luck as well. After all he passed Hamilton on track, what proved to be the overtake for the win.

In the last few races he seemed to me the smartest and most error free of the WDC contenders.

But lets not forget that he has no new engine left,since a few races. The early engine failures might come back and cost him dearly in the remaining races. Just think Suzuka 2006 from MS and Ferrari's perspective.

Still 2 races to go.

[kenny]

Suzuka 2006
Korea 2010

Each time he was good enough to be in a position to profit from the bad luck of his direct competitors, but he is definitely also kissed by Fortuna, the Goddess of Luck.

and this coming from a Prost fan

[george1981]

I would have liked to see how the race had panned out had Vettel's engine not exploded.
Alonso's tyres were in the best condition of all the runners at the end. He may well have been able to pass Vettel in the final laps.

[salamin]

what about inheriting massa's 1st place at germany

[ForzaGTR]

Alonso has been excellent this season.

[Massacrator]

Don't worry about this Alonso bashing threads, they fastly turn into Fernando's praising threads after seeing how awesomely he is driving this second half of the season!

[Lights]

Yes let's just bash a driver for doing nothing wrong but being too successful for my personal taste.

[Raziel]

what about inheriting massa's 1st place at germany

+ Bahrain 2010

[Massacrator]

+ Bahrain 2010

Yes! keep making us laugh! we're already in a good mood today

[morals]

Well,
Alonso inherited Bahrain
Button inherited Melbourne
Hamilton inherited Istambul 8from third)
Webber inherited Budapest
and Alonso again today, doesn't look like a big difference twice to three others once

[velgajski1]

Everyone inherits victory from time to time, don't know whats so weird about it.

[WilliamsFWPH]

He also had technical DNF when it didn't matter, Malaysia and Belgium (his error) when others (Vettel, Hamilton) had left plenty of points. But maybe, time to pay back the next two races.

[Raziel]

Yes! keep making us laugh! we're already in a good mood today

just stating the facts nothing more

[britishtrident]

Alonso drove a good race but in the end it will all be down to the number of good engines available, Vettel probablywould have won today if he hadn't had an end of life engine.

[Absulute]

Sounds like another Fernando bash thread...

What's wrong with that?

[arknor]

this mentality is ridiculous and i see it popping up all over the forums.

everyone whos won a race other than redbull are inheritors and dont deserve the win aparently

[iotar]

Out of the top five Alonso has been the best. Another "if he wins he doesn't deserve it" thread? Who deserves it then?

[morals]

He also had technical DNF when it didn't matter, Malaysia and Belgium (his error) when others (Vettel, Hamilton) had left plenty of points. But maybe, time to pay back the next two races.

He also was highly penalized in China, Valencia and Silverstone when others have had drive-throughs with less effect.

luck evens throughout a season

[Pep]

Many people forget Alonso bad luck early in the season, where luck was always with other drivers, specially Hamilton.

Australia - Starts 3rd and in the first lap he's last after Button touched him at the start.
Malasya - Loses clutch for downshifting, blew engine later.
Valencia - The SC just emerges in front of him, so instead of finishing 3rd or higher, he ends up 9th.
Silverstone - Dreadful start from 3rd on the grid, later a drive through for him destroyed his race.
Spa - Barrichello hits him, making him to stop and in the process losing all good chances of finishing on the podium.

So Alonso has also lost a lot of points becaus of bad luck

[Koen]

Hamilton has been even luckier today with Ferrari's pit crew putting him ahead of Alonso, but I guess he's too cool to take a win in such way, so he screwed it up
And its funny how people call it bad luck when Vettel's engine blows up... again. His "bad luck" comes from the same source as his speed - engine pushed over its limit.

Edited by Koen, 24 October 2010 - 11:33.

[Ferrari2183]

Everyone inherits victory from time to time, don't know whats so weird about it.

Alonso drove a good race but in the end it will all be down to the number of good engines available, Vettel probablywould have won today if he hadn't had an end of life engine.

As a Ferrari fan I am not too concerned about the engines.

[shanser]

Q> who won the 2000wdc
ans> micheal

Q> who won the 2001wdc
ans> micheal

Q> who won the 2002wdc
ans> micheal

Q> who won the 2003wdc
ans> micheal

Q> who won the 2004wdc
ans> micheal

Q> who won the 2005wdc
ans> fernando

Q> who won the 2006wdc
ans> fernando

Q> who won the 2007wdc
ans> kimi

Q> who won the 2008wdc
ans> lewis

Q> who won the 2009wdc
ans> jenson.

no one cares what happened during the season, its only the standing at the end matter.
2007 champ is kimi, thats it end of story, no one wants to know that the points were 110 109 109!!!!
who cares about austria, who cares of reliability, who cares of mass dampers, who cares of team mates who helped,who cares of double diffusers.....

[Zava]

He also was highly penalized in China, Valencia and Silverstone when others have had drive-throughs with less effect.

luck evens throughout a season

really? go explain that to Vettel

[P123]

Yes let's just bash a driver for doing nothing wrong but being too successful for my personal taste.

That's generally the way it goes in here. Slightly ironic though hearing certain members complain about bashing when it's pretty much all they do themselves (not you LIghts in case you are wondering!).

[Zava]

Red Bull - Gives You Wins (2...and counting)

[blackonyx4]

So whats the big deal?

The fact is that Alonso is THE luckiest F1 driver to ever live. Nothing wrong with that, only its kinda hard to admit that for his fans...

The combination with him being a great driver, above mentioned luck and Ferrari that is now equally best with RBR is almost invincible

This year only :

He was gifted three wins, got extremely lucky with safety cars in Melbourne and Monaco, that 2nd place in Barcelona got some serious "touch from heaven"...you really cant get more luckier.

[P123]

Many people forget Alonso bad luck early in the season, where luck was always with other drivers, specially Hamilton.

Australia - Starts 3rd and in the first lap he's last after Button touched him at the start.
Malasya - Loses clutch for downshifting, blew engine later.
Valencia - The SC just emerges in front of him, so instead of finishing 3rd or higher, he ends up 9th.
Silverstone - Dreadful start from 3rd on the grid, later a drive through for him destroyed his race.
Spa - Barrichello hits him, making him to stop and in the process losing all good chances of finishing on the podium.

So Alonso has also lost a lot of points becaus of bad luck

Ok, just for fun, seeing that Hamilton is lucky, lets analyse this list with the same spin you would (and other 'balanced' Alonso fans ) had all these incidents involved Hamilton:

Australia - He closed the door on Button without accounting for where Button was, his own fault
Malasya - Clearly the way he was driving the car, all his fault
Valencia - He lost places even after losing time behind the SC.
Silverstone - He cheated by cutting the track to make a pass.
Spa - Uhm, he binned it all by himself. Shameful early brake test of Barrichello.




Luck, bad luck, blah, blah, blah. All depends on what angle you want to approach each incident from. Throughout the season drivers will have bad luck, and they will all at some point benefit too from another's bad luck. It's just the way it goes.

[P123]

So whats the big deal?

The fact is that Alonso is THE luckiest F1 driver to ever live. Nothing wrong with that, only its kinda hard to admit that for his fans...

The combination with him being a great driver, above mentioned luck and Ferrari that is now equally best with RBR is almost invincible

This year only :

He was gifted three wins, got extremely lucky with safety cars in Melbourne and Monaco, that 2nd place in Barcelona got some serious "touch from heaven"...you really cant get more luckier.

Is there statistics for luck? I don't think so! I guess for some Alonso has the worst combination- damn fast and luck to go with it too.

The trend seems to be- if you don't like driver x, concentrate on all their good luck. If you're a fan of driver x, concentrate on all their bad luck. And in amongst that you get the fanboys inventing situations of luck/ bad luck.

[Jazza]

Drivers inherit positions all the time. However, the question always is,

Would the driver that broke down have even been in front if they had a reliable car?

It goes back to the old Motorsport saying,

To finish first, first you have to finish.

Its unfair to discredit those teams that took a speed sacrifice for reliability, because other teams took a reliability sacrifice to get raw speed. Thats why we have a championship... to see who got the balance right.

[TIFOlonSO]

Many people forget Alonso bad luck early in the season, where luck was always with other drivers, specially Hamilton.

Australia - Starts 3rd and in the first lap he's last after Button touched him at the start.
Malasya - Loses clutch for downshifting, blew engine later.
Valencia - The SC just emerges in front of him, so instead of finishing 3rd or higher, he ends up 9th.
Silverstone - Dreadful start from 3rd on the grid, later a drive through for him destroyed his race.
Spa - Barrichello hits him, making him to stop and in the process losing all good chances of finishing on the podium.

So Alonso has also lost a lot of points becaus of bad luck

And forgot not:
-Monaco chassis destroyed after a small crash at FP3
-Montreal's bad luck with back markers.

[Hypnotise]

Why are people surprised when drivers inherit races,it's a part of motorsport. Not like it is something new...

[olliek88]

Alonso has had his share of luck but i think since pretty much since 05 every champ has had some luck.

2005 - unreliable macca helps alonso

2006 - shuey engine going in suzuka help nando

2007 - hamiltons gearbox issue in brazil helps kimi.

2008 - massa engine going in hungary or the infamous singapore "fixgate" helps lewis

2009 - unreliable RBR plus driver errors help JB.

To win the title you do need a bit of luck

Edited by olliek88, 24 October 2010 - 12:06.

[Xsaravts]

I would have liked to see how the race had panned out had Vettel's engine not exploded.
Alonso's tyres were in the best condition of all the runners at the end. He may well have been able to pass Vettel in the final laps.

[DILLIGAF]

All drivers have good & bad luck over their careers. Every champion needs some luck. Good on Alonso for having some recently. Complaining about it is sour grapes pure & simple. When the history books document past champions they don't include a footnote saying "he got lucky"

I follow Webber, often dubbed the "unluckiest driver in F1" from 2001-2008. Finally he has some good fortune this season & his knockers rant about how lucky he's been. It's pathetic.