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#1 f1steveuk

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 16:55

I know this car was written off, but so have a lot of cars that currently exist.

Are there any known parts, or a car made from the remains anywhere in the world?

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#2 David Force

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 17:03

I believe a car was 'recreated' by someone close to the team some years ago who then got himself in rather hot water over it...

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#3 PeterElleray

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 20:24

I believe a car was 'recreated' by someone close to the team some years ago who then got himself in rather hot water over it...

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a 'case' of two many 'ewlands..... ? ;)

#4 f1steveuk

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 08:21

Reading between the lines, there's a story to be told here!!

Edited by f1steveuk, 29 October 2010 - 08:21.


#5 Allen Brown

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:16

Yes there is, but some stories are better left untold.

#6 Giraffe

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:18

Yes there is, but some stories are better left untold.


As long as you know them Allen? ;)


#7 Red Socks

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:24

Yes there is, but some stories are better left untold.


Aw go on Allen.

#8 arttidesco

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:19

I notice M23/7 is listed as 'Written Off' on Allen's excellent site, now I'm all ears !

Or should that be eyes ?

#9 f1steveuk

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 14:16

Aw go on Allen.

My sentiments too!!! Depends on just how much hot water is involved!

Edited by f1steveuk, 30 October 2010 - 14:17.


#10 Allen Brown

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 14:27

It is merely the story of a dispute between two people and neither comes out of it especially well.

Suffice to say that there is a now a claimant to the identity of M23/7.



#11 arttidesco

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:50

Suffice to say that there is a now a claimant to the identity of M23/7.


I wonder if its a ground up restoration job or cobbled together together like the unfortunate Mr Manns recently legally discredited Bentley.

What survived 'Mike the Bike's M23/7 wreckage presumably one party has the original chassis plate complete with original sticky back plastic and another has some triviality like the on board fire extinguisher pin or rain warning light lens cover ?

#12 f1steveuk

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:04

Assuming it's in Yardley colours, is there enough of M23/7 in it to actually consider it as M23/7? There is a good reason to ask which may involve Mike's son.

#13 David Force

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:16

Indeed some stories better left...

My advice, for what it is worth, leave this one.

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#14 f1steveuk

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:22

Indeed some stories better left...

My advice, for what it is worth, leave this one.

:cool:


Consider the matter dropped, I have an allergy to cans of worms!

#15 arttidesco

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:43

Sounds like the lawyers won't be going out of business any time soon :smoking:

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 18:13

This is from a posting I recently made on another Forum, food for thought


Coming out of the Hairpin on to the home straight, the rallycross circuit turned sharp right a dived down a large hole which was often very muddy with a large puddle at the bottom of it where the poor marshals used to stand getting covered in xxxx. I remember one very cold Winter's morning, either 1976 or 77 when we had a fire training day down there and we were told that we were very lucky to have a wrecked F1 tub to work on. This tub was set up with plastic containers full of petrol buried inside the car and slick tyres placed at each corner to give some sense of reality. The car was then set alight and in pairs we dashed across to put it out, all jolly good fun.

This is where my memory fails me me, but I do know that the tub was from a McLaren M23!!!, possibly either Mike Hailwood's or Denny Hulme's, what I do know it was scrapped to accident damage, the driver I believe suffering leg injuries and then it was donated to the Marshals to practice on.

Here though is the interesting part, I believe the several times burnt out aluminium tub found its final resting place there, and may still be buried there today. However many years later I believe McLaren were in dispute with someone who claimed to own this car (a possible ringer re-constructed). Mclaren claimed the car was scrapped and that there was no trace of what happened to it, I never knew what happened in the end as a lot of this goes on, particularly with classic aircraft such as Spitfires etc.

I am totally convinced that this was an M23 but I don't know exactly which one or what happened to it eventually, as young marshals we were just pleased to have a bit of fun with an F1 tub and come home to get out of the cold!

Bladders.......(that is my nickname!)

#17 f1steveuk

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 18:27

Explains a lot!

#18 Allen Brown

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 19:00

Expect a story shortly about someone discovering a M23 on a rallycross circuit and having immaculately restored it.

#19 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 22:16

"You will NEVER guess what we have found!..."

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#20 jj2728

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 04:45

I'm no rocket scientist and maybe someone can assist me, but how much heat stress can an aluminum tub take before it's, what, structurally weakened?

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 08:25

I'm no rocket scientist and maybe someone can assist me, but how much heat stress can an aluminum tub take before it's, what, structurally weakened?

Very little, aluminium distorts and softens with heat.

#22 Red Socks

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 09:55

Very little, aluminium distorts and softens with heat.

But no one in their right mind would use any old component would they-long past its sell by date.The big question would be have you at least got it to go beside the wonderful restoration.

#23 PAUL S

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 11:46

Surely you can only make an M23 from mainly original M23 parts, so even if the "new" car is not number 7 its still an M23 in reality.

I cannot see how it would be financially viable or practical to make a toolroom copy from scratch without access to an original for comparison and even then certain components could not be copied exactly and any marque specialist would spot this.

Edited by PAUL S, 04 February 2011 - 11:46.


#24 Allen Brown

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 13:59

Just for the record, I do know what became of the tub from M23/7; I do know who it was given to and what they used it for; I do know what shed it then sat behind; I do know it's eventual fate; I do know who had the remaining components and I do know what happened to those bits. I also know whether a new tub was manufactured and, if such a tub did exist, I would know where it had gone. I'm pretty sure Doug and Red Socks know all this too.

Anyone attempting to present a newly "restored" M23/7 is going to have to work very hard indeed to establish its credentials.