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#1 DarthRonzo

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 21:34

For the third time this season, FIA has announced that Johnny Herbert will fill the hole of guest driver steward, after performing the same duty in Malaysia and Turkey.

The other FIA stewards will be the german Gerd Ennser and swiss Paul Gutjahr.

The fourth steward should be chosen by the local race organizers.

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#2 WhiteBlue

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 23:14

So far it looks like Johnny Herbert did a good job. I cannot remember any dodgy decisions or penalties. When the situation is border line to punishable he seems to prefer reprimands which isn't a bad thing IMO. Gutjahr as a Swiss is probably a good choice. He is also very experienced. Having a German in there isn't perhaps the most sensible thing considering that Vettel is still in the WDC fight.

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 23:38

So far it looks like Johnny Herbert did a good job. I cannot remember any dodgy decisions or penalties. When the situation is border line to punishable he seems to prefer reprimands which isn't a bad thing IMO. Gutjahr as a Swiss is probably a good choice. He is also very experienced. Having a German in there isn't perhaps the most sensible thing considering that Vettel is still in the WDC fight.


I don't get it. Why say having a German steward isn't very sensible because Vettel is still in the fight but make not mention the same applies to Herbert being English & Hamilton still in the WDC fight?

Edited by DILLIGAF, 29 October 2010 - 23:39.


#4 WhiteBlue

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:02

I have already commented on Herbert. I would trust him to be impartial and it isn't so easy to find good stewards among ex drivers. Very few are prepared to do the job. Herbert did not support any particular driver publicly. When the stewards had to decide on a Ferrari complaint against Vettel passing under yellow in Malaysia they took a wise decision. Many stewards would have screwed up such a complicated decision but the Malaysian team advised by Herbert did the right thing.

Edited by WhiteBlue, 30 October 2010 - 00:02.


#5 DILLIGAF

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:26

I have already commented on Herbert. I would trust him to be impartial and it isn't so easy to find good stewards among ex drivers. Very few are prepared to do the job. Herbert did not support any particular driver publicly. When the stewards had to decide on a Ferrari complaint against Vettel passing under yellow in Malaysia they took a wise decision. Many stewards would have screwed up such a complicated decision but the Malaysian team advised by Herbert did the right thing.


So it's fine to trust Herbert with Hamilton still in the running just because you say it is? Who's to say a German steward wouldn't be just as fair with Vettel still in the hunt?

p.s. I have no issue with Herbert & agree he'll do a good & impartial job. I'm just not comfortable with you implying a German steward may not be as impartial.

#6 Les

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 00:30

Its interesting to see how the drivers have got on this season. Herbert seems to have got on well so far. Damon Hill's experience seems to have been soured by the experience at Monaco with the Schumacher penalty and Damon's criticism afterwards. Likewise Alan Jones was caught up in the controversial decisions to delay the Korean GP. Others like Wurz and Mansell (almost surprisingly) have seemingly done well. The thing to remember though is that drivers are a part of the process and not in charge of decisions.

Overall thumbs up to Driver stewards!

#7 Jazza

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 01:50

Its interesting to see how the drivers have got on this season. Herbert seems to have got on well so far. Damon Hill's experience seems to have been soured by the experience at Monaco with the Schumacher penalty and Damon's criticism afterwards. Likewise Alan Jones was caught up in the controversial decisions to delay the Korean GP. Others like Wurz and Mansell (almost surprisingly) have seemingly done well. The thing to remember though is that drivers are a part of the process and not in charge of decisions.

Overall thumbs up to Driver stewards!


Surely he had no say in that?

But if he had any say, he is the kind of bloke that would call them all wimps and that they should toughen up and get out there. I could not imagine him being fine with race being delayed :confused: .

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 01:51

Would rather have him doing the commentary. Love him and Ben Edwards calling the FIA GT1 races.

#9 JosTheBoss

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 01:54

OMG!

Talk about the conflict of interest with Herbert being a Brit..... I mean, that's the same as HAMILTON!!!!!

:rolleyes:;)

#10 WhiteBlue

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:02

So it's fine to trust Herbert with Hamilton still in the running just because you say it is? Who's to say a German steward wouldn't be just as fair with Vettel still in the hunt?

I generally feel that the same nationality should be avoided where possible. It is done that way in all great sport contests on international level. You will never find a same national referee in a soccer world cup match. But I recognize that it is sometimes difficult and particularly in the case of the driver stewards. There is only a very limited pool and of those not all are keeping the neutrality that their office requires IMO. My opinion is that a driver steward must not publicly support any driver in a year when he stewards. It just creates a terrible impression. This is the reason why I wouldn't trust Nigel Mansell to steward fair and equitable in Abu Dhabi if he was selected. He has publicly come out in favor of Mark Webber. For me that is simply unacceptable.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:12

I generally feel that the same nationality should be avoided where possible. It is done that way in all great sport contests on international level. You will never find a same national referee in a soccer world cup match. But I recognize that it is sometimes difficult and particularly in the case of the driver stewards. There is only a very limited pool and of those not all are keeping the neutrality that their office requires IMO. My opinion is that a driver steward must not publicly support any driver in a year when he stewards. It just creates a terrible impression. This is the reason why I wouldn't trust Nigel Mansell to steward fair and equitable in Abu Dhabi if he was selected. He has publicly come out in favor of Mark Webber. For me that is simply unacceptable.


He also said something along the lines of "Come on Jenson and Lewis, we are counting on you" when interviewed by the BBC at the British GP.


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:21

He also said something along the lines of "Come on Jenson and Lewis, we are counting on you" when interviewed by the BBC at the British GP.

I'm sure that did not endear him to Alonso and Vettel fans.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:28

I'm sure that did not endear him to Alonso and Vettel fans.


I am sure you are right and it certainly wasn't the smartest or most professional thing for the driver-steward to say just before qualifying started.


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 02:36

I have already commented on Herbert. I would trust him to be impartial and it isn't so easy to find good stewards among ex drivers. Very few are prepared to do the job. Herbert did not support any particular driver publicly. When the stewards had to decide on a Ferrari complaint against Vettel passing under yellow in Malaysia they took a wise decision. Many stewards would have screwed up such a complicated decision but the Malaysian team advised by Herbert did the right thing.


Some might argue that Herbert isn't exactly nuetral either.

http://www.planetf1....ck-on-the-panel

And that's why i find it a bit wrong for you to suggest that a German steward may be any less impartial when a German driver is racing than Herbert would be with an Englishman driving.





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Posted 30 October 2010 - 03:41

there should also be a Spanish steward.

#16 WhiteBlue

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 04:24

I found the reprimand for Hamilton weaving in Malaysia ok. The stewards advised by Herbert made it clear that the driving was not acceptable even to brake a tow. Giving Hamilton a penalty would have been a bit heavy handed I thought.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 04:42


About time Giovanna Amati gets invited to the judging panel because misogyny is going through a terrible regression. I can't wait to see a crazy bitch tormenting these blokes, and rock my world.


#18 DarthRonzo

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 04:48

there should also be a Spanish steward.

What about LOBATO ? :p

#19 Mary Popsins

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 05:12

cave canem

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#20 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 07:23

You guys have this sort of backwards. The driver steward isn't the primary steward, they are little more than observers/advisers.

#21 DILLIGAF

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 07:33

You guys have this sort of backwards. The driver steward isn't the primary steward, they are little more than observers/advisers.


That's what i was trying to explain in the thread about Alan Jones doing the job in Korea. Some believe it was his fault that Webber wasn't investigated because they are both Aussies.

#22 WhiteBlue

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 08:20

You guys have this sort of backwards. The driver steward isn't the primary steward, they are little more than observers/advisers.

This is a wide spread misconception. The diver steward has exactly the same powers and duties as the other three stewards. He also has the unique qualification of knowing racing from the active side. This means he can instantly claim a superior level of competence that other stewards do not have. Long serving non driver stewards may have an experience advantage but that will be gobbled up quickly as drivers run their third or fourth F1 event as stewards.


#23 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 08:31

He may have all the competence and experience in the world, but that doesn't mean he's calling the shots.

And any normal stewards with experience of so much as club racing knows to take driver inputs with lots of salt.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 09:54

You guys have this sort of backwards. The driver steward isn't the primary steward, they are little more than observers/advisers.


:up:


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 10:36

This is a wide spread misconception. The diver steward has exactly the same powers and duties as the other three stewards. He also has the unique qualification of knowing racing from the active side.


Which is to act as part of a committee, not unilaterally. As an aside, does anybody know if steward's decisions are majority or unanimous votes?


#26 DILLIGAF

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:04

As an aside, does anybody know if steward's decisions are majority or unanimous votes?


I'm not sure whether decisions have to be unanimous but each steward has a vote. I found this article regarding the introduction of former f1 drivers as stewards but it doesn't shed any light on how final decisions are reached. May need a rule book i think.

http://www.motorspor...e.asp?ID=360627

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:05

What about LOBATO ? :p


Or Carlos Gracia, we wouldn't need to race then.


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:09

What about LOBATO ? :p


I wonder what would be the reaction here if it was Lobato the steward in Malaysia and Alonso the one who got away with the weaving :lol:

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:12

I wonder what would be the reaction here if it was Lobato the steward in Malaysia and Alonso the one who got away with the weaving :lol:


:lol: This site would crash.

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 11:13

I'm not sure whether decisions have to be unanimous but each steward has a vote. I found this article regarding the introduction of former f1 drivers as stewards but it doesn't shed any light on how final decisions are reached. May need a rule book i think.

http://www.motorspor...e.asp?ID=360627


So that introduces a 3rd option - the elected chairman having a casting vote. Doesn't make any difference at the end of the day, but would be mildly interesting to know how they reached decisions.


#31 Mr Plug

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 12:02

For the third time this season, FIA has announced that Johnny Herbert will fill the hole of guest driver steward, after performing the same duty in Malaysia and Turkey.


Blimey! Not Johnny's normal kind of job......

#32 billfenner1967

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 12:13

This is the reason why I wouldn't trust Nigel Mansell to steward fair and equitable in Abu Dhabi if he was selected. He has publicly come out in favor of Mark Webber. For me that is simply unacceptable.

Oh, for God's sake. They're all highly respected and experienced professionals who can easily separate their personal feelings from the sporting rules and regulations that they're asked to adjudicate on during a race ... unlike most people who post on this forum.

#33 DarthRonzo

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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:49

Blimey! Not Johnny's normal kind of job......

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Uhmmm... she seems to be a nice "play"station.

Edited by DarthRonzo, 30 October 2010 - 15:51.


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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:32

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Uhmmm... she seems to be a nice "play"station.


Not what you'd expect, but it's actually Johnny wearing the high heels in that shot. :lol:

Is that the first short joke of the thread?

Anyway, if you tried to have a driver steward that wasn't of the same nationality as one of the drivers, you'd quickly run out of possible candidates. It would end up being Danny Sullivan in the job full time. Sometime's you just have to trust that the chosen ex-driver will be professional about it, and I'd say on the evidence of this season, they have all been.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 30 October 2010 - 16:32.


#35 DarthRonzo

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 23:26

Herbert to join stewards in Brazil

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87881

The fourth and local organization DS is Felipe Giaffone, former Indycar racer and brother in law of Rubens Barrichello.

Giaffone was the DS of Interlagos in 2009.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 23:37

The fourth and local organization DS is Felipe Giaffone, former Indycar racer and brother in law of Rubens Barrichello.


After all that talk of nationality, a genuine potential conflict of interest. :lol:


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Posted 02 November 2010 - 23:48

as long as whiting is race director, it doesn't really matter whose nationality are these guys

anyway, every single time herbert joined the stewards, alonso failed drastically, this guy is a jinx for us spaniards, so we are doomed

#38 DarthRonzo

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 23:49

After all that talk of nationality, a genuine potential conflict of interest. :lol:

As mentioned before, Giaffone was the steward last year when Rubens was a WDC contender, but did not interfere.

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 23:53

As mentioned before, Giaffone was the steward last year when Rubens was a WDC contender, but did not interfere.


I know, I just found it amusing. :)


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#40 JacnGille

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 01:04

About time Giovanna Amati gets invited to the judging panel because misogyny is going through a terrible regression. I can't wait to see a crazy bitch tormenting these blokes, and rock my world.


:clap:

#41 DILLIGAF

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 01:51

After all that talk of nationality, a genuine potential conflict of interest. :lol:


Look out Schumi!! :lol:

p.s. I'm sure Giaffone will be completely impartial.