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#1 keeppushingurep1

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:34

Many journalis in different countries have gotten to the conclusion that Mark Hughes review of Korea GP is not accurate and makes up, facts that never happened during the race

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns22731.html

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#2 King Six

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:37

I thought you were going to post an interesting article explaining how get got it so wrong but all you did was post the original one, what's the point

#3 keeppushingurep1

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:39

I thought you were going to post an interesting article explaining how get got it so wrong but all you did was post the original one, what's the point


sorry to disappoint you, maybe other people will report interesting articles about this.

My question is if you think Autosport will or should apologise

Edited by keeppushingurep1, 31 October 2010 - 09:40.


#4 Muppetmad

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:49

Many journalis in different countries have gotten to the conclusion that Mark Hughes review of Korea GP is not accurate and makes up, facts that never happened during the race


...any evidence of these many journalists around the world coming to these conclusions?

#5 Szoelloe

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:51

LOL. And LOL. Are u that bored??

#6 Lifew12

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:53

Many journalis in different countries have gotten to the conclusion that Mark Hughes review of Korea GP is not accurate ...


Have they? Who? Where?


#7 DILLIGAF

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:56

Many journalis in different countries have gotten to the conclusion that Mark Hughes review of Korea GP is not accurate and makes up, facts that never happened during the race

http://www.grandprix...ns/ns22731.html


You say many journalists. Like who?


#8 King Six

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:57

My question is if you think Autosport will or should apologise

Well I've yet to see or read anything, except what you said, about them being so wrong about this anyway....so I have no idea.

#9 keeppushingurep1

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:01

Well I've yet to see or read anything, except what you said, about them being so wrong about this anyway....so I have no idea.


http://www.f1aldia.c...s-equipo-corea/




1 EXAMPLE Im sorry I cant translate this well enough, maybe some of you can

There will be more articles about this

Edited by keeppushingurep1, 31 October 2010 - 10:03.


#10 as65p

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:08

Why apologize?

In the end, the article is a fine example of a journalist jumping to conclusions and not researching the facts (laptimes) properly at the same time.

By now, everyone interested enough will know it's pure bollocks.

So actually Hughes did Ferrari a huge (mu-ha...) favour by exposing the over-eager readiness in some journalistic circles to have a go at Ferrari at any cost, even by inventing things out of thin air. In the end, Hughes only hurt his own credibility with the article (for those who weren't already highly suspicious of the highly sophisticated way he analyzed driver styles from the trackside... :p )

#11 Tombstone

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:28

It certainly appears as though there's a certain faction who think it's ballocks because it would be embarrassing, and highly unsporting, if it were true.

#12 as65p

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:33

It certainly appears as though there's a certain faction who think it's ballocks because it would be embarrassing, and highly unsporting, if it were true.


What factions would that be, the "club of naives"? :D

It's ceratinly not impossible, and we've watched similar, and much worse, things often enough. Just that in this case the know facts don't support anything of it.

#13 dank

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Posted 31 October 2010 - 11:23

http://www.f1aldia.c...s-equipo-corea/




1 EXAMPLE Im sorry I cant translate this well enough, maybe some of you can

There will be more articles about this


Confusion betwixt journalists and over enthusiastic, ill-informed bloggers.

#14 keeppushingurep1

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:28

Confusion betwixt journalists and over enthusiastic, ill-informed bloggers.


http://www.f1fanatic...lonso-in-korea/

Mercedes have denied reports Michael Schumacher was held up by Felipe Massa during the Korean Grand Prix.

Claims were made following the race that Ferrari ordered Massa to delay other cars following Fernando Alonso’s pit stop.

The next car behind Massa was Schumacher, but a spokesperson for the team told F1 Fanatic it was “not true” that Massa had held Schumacher up.

Alonso lost almost three seconds during his pit stop compared to Sebastian Vettel who came in with him on lap 33.

Because of the delay Alonso lost one place to Lewis Hamilton and came out of the pits in front of Massa.

Hamilton, Massa and Schumacher had all pitted before Alonso on lap 32. Prior to that they had been 4.8, 10.5 and 13.8 seconds behind Alonso respectively (see here for the full data).

Alonso had been at further risk of losing places because the safety car was deployed after he had passed the pits but early enough for Hamilton and his pursuers to pit right away.

Mercedes’ denial refutes speculation that Ferrari used team orders to benefit Alonso again as they did during the German Grand Prix.

#15 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 12:38

Mark Hughes on Ferrari's Korean GP strategy

Be assured that the information that Massa was slowed came from inside the Ferrari team.

It is the unearthing of such intelligence that separates in-depth reporting from the re-writing of team PR sheets. It would not be written if there were not an impeccable source.



#16 ensign14

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 13:02

So actually Hughes did Ferrari a huge (mu-ha...) favour by exposing the over-eager readiness in some journalistic circles to have a go at Ferrari at any cost, even by inventing things out of thin air.

And which words did Hughes use in the original article to "have a go" at Ferrari? Exact words and the meaning thereof plzkthx.

#17 Oblomov

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 14:34

Yes, they should apologise. :up:

#18 smitten

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 14:36

Yes, they should apologise. :up:


For researching and publishing a story which you disagree with, and which subsequently has been embellished and quoted out of context by other news media?


#19 Risil

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 15:25

Thread of the year! :clap: :stoned:

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#20 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 15:29

For researching and publishing a story which you disagree with, and which subsequently has been embellished and quoted out of context by other news media?


I think the complaint is there isn't much in the way of published research. We have a "Ferrari source" saying it happened but a Mercedes person quoted as saying whatever they may have done didn't affect things.

#21 fatfreddie

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 08:05

I once knew a journolist who could be found in the pub during a race. I once asked him how he intended to write a report on what was happening, and he replied, " The drivers will they will tell me everything I need to know". :lol:


#22 primer

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 08:34

Mark Hughes on Ferrari's Korean GP strategy

Be assured that the information that Massa was slowed came from inside the Ferrari team.


Guys, forget for a moment whether any team orders were applied or not. Think why would any Ferrari personnel leak this kind of explosive information when they have already faced so much drama earlier in the season?

If Mr. Hughes has his source(s), he should not apologise. He has no obligation to apologise. He may have been set up. He may have been lied to. It is for him to personally decide how to deal with any future 'information' from such source(s). Methinks someone from the Massa clan is not happy at Fernando winning (potentially) the title, and are talking this kind of nonsense to sabotage the team from within. F1 breaches to new depths of lameness.

Edited by primer, 02 November 2010 - 08:37.


#23 SonnyViceR

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 09:25

Oh please. If Autosport has anything to apologize, it's for absurdly revealing that Rebellion LMP1 team is using Toyota engines next year! :down:

#24 Mat

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 05:19

Guys, forget for a moment whether any team orders were applied or not. Think why would any Ferrari personnel leak this kind of explosive information ...


Because it isn't that explosive. Maybe?

Edited by Mat, 03 November 2010 - 05:20.