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So you get to be a top-team manager, who would you want as your 1st driver? (Senna, Alonso, Schumacher...)


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Poll: Who would you want to drive for your top team as a 1st driver? (in their best shape they ever had) (328 member(s) have cast votes)

Who would you want to drive for your top team as a 1st driver? (in their best shape they ever had)

  1. Michael Schumacher (77 votes [23.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.48%

  2. Ayrton Senna (74 votes [22.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.56%

  3. Alain Prost (41 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. Nelson Piquet, Sr (3 votes [0.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.91%

  5. Fernando Alonso (65 votes [19.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.82%

  6. Lewis Hamilton (45 votes [13.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.72%

  7. Sebastian Vettel (5 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  8. Robert Kubica (18 votes [5.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.49%

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#1 AvantiFer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 18:50

So after discussing a bit in the "Alonso, Same League As Senna, Schumacher Says Berger" topic, I came up that a good comparasion between different ERAS would be this one:

If you were to be the team manager of a top-team (Ferrari, McLaren, RedBull this year) who would you get if all these drivers were avaiable in their best shape considerign you have to sign them for aproximately 3-5 years? (you have the "2nd driver" already covered)

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#2 ForzaGTR

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 18:53

So after discussing a bit in the "Alonso, Same League As Senna, Schumacher Says Berger" topic, I came up that a good comparasion between different ERAS would be this one:

If you were to be the team manager of a top-team (Ferrari, McLaren, RedBull this year) who would you get if all these drivers were avaiable in their best shape considerign you have to sign them for aproximately 3-5 years? (you have the "2nd driver" already covered)


Desperate.

#3 AvantiFer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 18:54

Desperate.

Not really, I have voted for Prost :rolleyes:

(my choice actually would be Prost, Alonso, Schumacher, Senna, Kubica, Hamilton, Piquet, Vettel)

Edited by AvantiFer, 01 November 2010 - 18:55.


#4 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 18:57

Have to agree....

while the Hamilton home boys think he is the second coming and while no one can deny some of the great things Senna did with a car... If I am a team boss, I would pick Prost all day long....

Although I was surpised there were not a few more of the older drivers like Gilles Villeneuve, Clark or Fangio in the list...all of which in my opinion, were the standard of Senna, Prost Schumacher.

[edit... no disrespect Jacque, but I actually did mean ya dad....just been a long day!]

Edited by FlatOverCrest, 01 November 2010 - 19:50.


#5 smitten

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 18:59

.. If I am a team boss, I would pick Prost all day long....


As would I.


#6 Norm

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:02

Although I was surpised there were not a few more of the older drivers like Gilles Villeneuve, Clark or Fangio in the list...all of which in my opinion, were the standard of Seena, Prost Schumacher.



Fixed. :cool:

#7 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:06

Fixed. :cool:


Feck....sorry Gilles! been a long day!...

#8 Smile17

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:11

Certainly not Hamilton. Vettel is still young, he will have enough time to prove himself. But I just can't understand why people would choose Hamilton as their 1st driver. Great driver, but way too immature and absolutely not a teamleader. He needs to get rid of that win or crash attitude and use his brain more. You can't rely on him.

Prost or Alonso for me.

#9 Ferrari2183

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:13

As would I.

:up:

Schumacher a close second.

#10 Dunder

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:16

Would depend on a number of factors.

What characteristics does the car have?
Who is the second driver?
What is the scoring system?
etc etc.

If we are going into the 2010 season and I am the McLaren team boss, then I would probably want Prost.
If dropped scores were allowed (as in the early 90's) or Bernie's medals system was introduced then Senna or Hamilton would be a better bet.

#11 Bonaventura

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:21

Certainly not Hamilton. Vettel is still young, he will have enough time to prove himself. But I just can't understand why people would choose Hamilton as their 1st driver. Great driver, but way too immature and absolutely not a teamleader. He needs to get rid of that win or crash attitude and use his brain more. You can't rely on him.

Prost or Alonso for me.

What did Lewis than 2008, 2009, 2010?
Was Heikki the team leader, or is it Button
Was it Alonso 2007?!

Lewis brought the car in many difficult situations home, where other drivers would have or have crashed (SPA!, Japan, Korea, Silverstone 2008)
and I think, McLaren relys on him 100%.

Edited by Bonaventura, 01 November 2010 - 19:25.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:28

Although I was surpised there were not a few more of the older drivers like Gilles Villeneuve, Clark or Fangio in the list...all of which in my opinion, were the standard of Seena, Prost Schumacher.

+1
Add to that Ascari, Stewart, Fittipaldi. How can you omit drivers like this yet include a couple who really havent done anything yet?


edit: voted Prost.

Edited by rm111, 01 November 2010 - 19:30.


#13 Smile17

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:30

What did Lewis than 2008, 2009, 2010?
Was Heikki the team leader, or is it Button
Was it Alonso 2007?!

Lewis brought the car in many difficult situations home, where other drivers would have or have crashed (SPA!, Japan, Korea, Silverstone 2008)
and I think, McLaren relys on him 100%.


Wow and others wouldn't or couldn't have done the same...?

#14 Bonaventura

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:31

Wow and others wouldn't or couldn't have done the same...?

Some not.

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:31

Chose Senna, but Prost would also be a great choice. The others don't come close to these two, in my opinion.


#16 smitten

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:32

If dropped scores were allowed (as in the early 90's) or Bernie's medals system was introduced then Senna or Hamilton would be a better bet.


That is a very good point. :up:


#17 Callisto

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:33

prost,senna(mika,kimi)

#18 SRi130Brett

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:36

From that list Senna.

But I would have Jackie Stewart over any of them.

THis is a poor poll, only put together by the user as part of an anti-hamilton/pro Alonso agenda. Im not sure how yet but his posts elsewhere are all totally focued on this subject and of exceptionally poor quality. Just like this poll - WTF are Kubica and Vettel doing there?

#19 Mandzipop

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:43

I'd have gone for Clark or Gilles, but as they werent there I opted for Senna. Not a fan but out of the choices it was between him Prost or Schumacher.

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#20 ForzaGTR

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:44

Agreed with SRi

This poll is a joke

#21 AvantiFer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:45

Agreed with SRi

This poll is a joke

I wanted to put 5 drivers from Senna's era and 5 from the actual ones. This poll was not intented for choosing he best driver there ever was.

#22 Crazy Ninja

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:47

Senna, just so i could holiday at his house in Portugal. And because he was everything a racing driver should be IMO and also a great human being.

Edited by Crazy Ninja, 01 November 2010 - 19:47.


#23 AlanWake

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:48

Prost, Schumacher (when he was in his prime) or Alonso. These F1 drivers were and are more than "simple racers", are the complete package that a Formula One driver should be.

Edited by AlanWake, 01 November 2010 - 19:49.


#24 mclarensmps

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:50

I'm insulted that Mika Hakkinen is not in this list.

#25 4L3X

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:50

Piquet, Prost or Senna. I would chose Piquet sr. At his peek.

#26 AvantiFer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:51

I'm insulted that Mika Hakkinen is not in this list.

I'm insulted that you want to decide something in the poll which I was interesed to make!! :)

Edited by AvantiFer, 01 November 2010 - 19:51.


#27 Titov

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:55

Smith!

#28 Ferrari2183

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 19:58

A poll is not going to work when people vote with their hearts and not their minds.

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.

#29 AvantiFer

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:00

A poll is not going to work when people vote with their hearts and not their minds.

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.

Yeah, it's kind of an utopia to expect everyone to try to not be biased... I did it tho :up:

#30 velgajski1

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:01

Joke of poll, I have absolutely no idea what the author of poll is trying to do. Anyways, voted Schumacher.

#31 smitten

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:01

A poll is not going to work when people vote with their hearts and not their minds.

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.


Most people do vote with their hearts (and I'm not sure team bosses are excluded from that), and people have very short memories. To some people the great Senna/Prost rivalry (or pick a rivalry of your choice) is something from the history books, not something that was lived through with all the ups and downs.


#32 smitten

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:03

Joke of poll, I have absolutely no idea what the author of poll is trying to do. Anyways, voted Schumacher.


I think it was to prove that imaginary team bosses would choose Alonso over Hamilton. Unfortunately Alonso is not fairing too well.


#33 Titov

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:03

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.

Wait, Schumacher is useless this days, Prost who...?

#34 undersquare

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:05

A poll is not going to work when people vote with their hearts and not their minds.

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.


Well how good was Senna at 25? Prost? That was their first year.

And does everyone want Schumacher, or do some 'team owners' have principles?



#35 JPW

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:08

I can't believe that Hamilton got more votes than Prost and Schumacher thus far.

Must be the island-centric nature of this board and the many new F1 fans who have only seen vids from Prost, Piquet, Senna etc...  ;)

But seriously can't people stop b*tchin' about how this poll was constructed, if you don't like it move on or make your own damn poll.

Anyways close between le Professeur and big Schumi for me.

#36 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:09

And does everyone want Schumacher, or do some 'team owners' have principles?


Rofl

#37 P123

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:10

Senna. Hardly an 'incomplete' driver by any stretch. Speed, racecraft, technical ability, wet weather mastery, a great presence on the track (intimidating to others)....

I do note though that the originator of this topic has previously tied Alonso to a Prost type of driver, so I'm not suprised Prost is seen as the ideal blueprint and suggested by some as the only logical choice....

#38 P123

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:12

Must be the island-centric nature of this board and the many new F1 fans who have only seen vids from Prost, Piquet, Senna etc... ;)


Well, you could stop 'bitchin' about that and turn instead to a Spanish, German, or Polish based board for people as balanced and objective as yourself....  ;)

#39 Tufty

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:16

I chose Prost... always been a Senna man.

I first considered Schumacher, then remembered he only really thrives when the team is built around him and I don't want to do that.

Senna... well, aside from Schumacher, Senna and Prost are the two best drivers on that list. I went for Prost for the powers of analysis in the heat of the moment.

Alonso is a risk for team stability, Hamilton I wouldn't hire for more personal reasons. Work should be work, life outside that should be unaffected as much as possible.

Vettel is too immature yet... more second driver than first in my view. Piquet, I'm not so sure of. I don't rate him as high as Senna/Prost, although I can't give a reason. Kubica is unproven in a top car.

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#40 King Six

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:17

I wouldn't even be surprised if Kubica is leading this poll the way things are going here

I don't even know why you put Vettle and Kubica on there amongst these WDC's anyway, maybe Vettle just about gets a pass, but Kubica has ONE race win, ONE pole position. You people need to get a grip.

Edited by King Six, 01 November 2010 - 20:18.


#41 gaston_foix

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:36

Simple... Senna

#42 velgajski1

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 20:38

Vettel and Kubica more than Piquet?

#43 antifozy

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 21:11

I think Mika should be there, you can't deny he was fast and hard working, and to top it all, he was one of the most loyal drivers you can get. No wonder Ron became a fan of Finnish drivers after him.

#44 Spillage

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 21:18

Voted for Schumacher; having him as de facto number 1 driver worked well enough for Ferrari.

#45 velgajski1

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 21:19

I think Mika should be there, you can't deny he was fast and hard working, and to top it all, he was one of the most loyal drivers you can get. No wonder Ron became a fan of Finnish drivers after him.


True, instead of Kubica and Vettel we should have Raikkonen and Hakkinen.

#46 Hippo

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 21:55

Senna!

And as this is hypothetical fantasy anyways I'd want Senna in the other car too. :up:

#47 Lights

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Posted 01 November 2010 - 22:00

Such a difficult poll. But has to be Senna.

#48 DILLIGAF

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:10

Voted Senna but very hard to pick between him, Prost & Schumi.

#49 slideways

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:17

Poll needs more options, an 'other' option, and less bias. Pass.

#50 aditya-now

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 01:40

I wanted to put 5 drivers from Senna's era and 5 from the actual ones. This poll was not intented for choosing he best driver there ever was.


Understood, yet Hakkinen and Raikkonen would have been more logical than Kubica and Vettel.

From the older guard people are forgetting Niki Lauda, and how good he was in pulling a team together and towards WDCs....