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#1 WhiteBlue

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 15:15

The FIA will become a signatory to the World Anti-Doping Code at the end of 2010. As a result, new anti-doping regulations will be issued in January 2011, ensuring the FIA works in harmony with the World Anti-Doping Code.


Considering that there is no effective system in F1 to regularly test the drivers there could be all kind of surprises if they go into the new season with procedures that are done in other sports. F1 drivers probably do not even know what kind of medication they must avoid to remain negative.

Imagine the scandal if a driver is treated for a problem not knowing what to avoid and in March they find something and disqualify him. Some substances remain in the body for many months.

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#2 Risil

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 15:23

Since when did F1 have a doping problem? What would a doping problem in F1 even look like? :confused:

I just hear this and I think about Nori Haga's 2000 season. Cost the most naturally-talented rider of his generation a world championship. >:0

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 15:33

I think theres vastly more chance of catching someone out through accidental ingestion of a banned substance than there is catching someone dileberatly ingesting a banned substance.

Furthermore, I wouldnt trust the FIA themseleves not to abuse the rule for their own gain one day.

My initial reaction is not to be in favour of this rule, but I'll remain open about it for now.

Edited by SRi130Brett, 03 November 2010 - 15:33.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 15:47

If they apply something remotely similar to the code used in cycling, we can expect drivers to begin skipping races for problems as backpain, earpain or fever. I suppose they could be cleared to use substances where the circumstances justify it, but I am afraid that it will open the door to serious scandals.

In any case, drivers better take care from now on, to avoid potential knock down effects next year.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 15:55

Considering that there is no effective system in F1 to regularly test the drivers there could be all kind of surprises if they go into the new season with procedures that are done in other sports. F1 drivers probably do not even know what kind of medication they must avoid to remain negative.

Imagine the scandal if a driver is treated for a problem not knowing what to avoid and in March they find something and disqualify him. Some substances remain in the body for many months.

I think you are incorrect to say there is no system.. Anthony Davidson has repeatedly said on-air that drivers are forced to tell the FIA where they are at all times and have to comply with tests.

But, the more rigorous the tests, the better.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:02

Considering that there is no effective system in F1 to regularly test the drivers there could be all kind of surprises if they go into the new season with procedures that are done in other sports. F1 drivers probably do not even know what kind of medication they must avoid to remain negative.

Imagine the scandal if a driver is treated for a problem not knowing what to avoid and in March they find something and disqualify him. Some substances remain in the body for many months.

You think the drivers, teams, medical staff and the FIA are all stupid or something?

The FIA institute has been rolling-out an anti-doping campaign for some years now starting with karting in the "Race True" campaign.
Of course it addresses awareness of inadvertent doping and deals with how drivers should communicate with their doctors and several do and don'ts. If amateur kart drivers can do it surely professional athletes such as F1 drivers can.

If any F1 driver would be caught using an illegal substance next season it will not be because of surprise but because of stupidity or sheer incompetence of driver, team or medical staff.

Edited by JPW, 03 November 2010 - 16:02.


#7 bonjon1979a

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:08

Another reason Kimi won't be returning...I reckon he loves a bit of a smoke.

#8 WhiteBlue

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:09

http://www.fia.com/e...s/adc-acmc.aspx

Apparently there are cases where drivers get tested positive.

#9 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:16

Considering that there is no effective system in F1 to regularly test the drivers...


You mean like the random urine tests they have had already?

there could be all kind of surprises if they go into the new season with procedures that are done in other sports. F1 drivers probably do not even know what kind of medication they must avoid to remain negative.

Imagine the scandal if a driver is treated for a problem not knowing what to avoid and in March they find something and disqualify him. Some substances remain in the body for many months.


It's not like they're going to get a list of banned substances 10 days before the first race. And I doubt there would be much they'd have to stop taking. Most racing drug rules are pretty close to other sports.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:23

It's not like they're going to get a list of banned substances 10 days before the first race. And I doubt there would be much they'd have to stop taking. Most racing drug rules are pretty close to other sports.


One has to be very careful of Spanish beef, according to Contador.  ;)


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:23

I don't really care if they take drugs. Obviously not something that obscures focus/vision, of course not, but I couldn't really give a shit either way if they take something that helps them fight off fatigue or mend neck muscles faster or something. I'm not saying it's right to do those things, just that morality and vague ideas of right and wrong are sketchy at the best of times and given how almost no one's seat is guaranteed, I wouldn't blame a driver for a second if he needed something to help him out.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:25

Didn't we just have a thread where it was argued that a current F1 driver is one of the most intelligent human beings around today - if not ever - and that all of them are actually quite smart really? And now we have another one where we're worried that the poor little things may get confused if they need to engage their brains and exercise some good old personal accountability? Seriously??? I know they have their minders to take care of anything too demanding but really... If the rest of the sporting world manages to medicate within accepted guidelines, surely it's not quite as much of a mission impossible as some replies in this thread would suggest?!?

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#13 JPW

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:25

http://www.fia.com/e...s/adc-acmc.aspx

Apparently there are cases where drivers get tested positive.

Yeah so what Tomas Enge failed a drug test already in 2002, what's your point?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:31

They've had testing for years! Although maybe there will be more random, on-the-spot tests now. I don't think they presently have these.

No doubt it supports the UN war on drugs. Nothing wrong with a bit of smoke every now and again.

Edited by rolf123, 03 November 2010 - 16:32.


#15 rm111

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:44

I think the only drugs a driver would test positive for would be recreational and not performance inhancing. Drug use is rife in all walks of life and i dont think motorsport is any different. you can be sure some machanics and team members occasionally indulge, and i remember a few years ago a paper reporting a couple of F1 drivers snorting a substance at some showbiz party. They werent named of course, but from what was written it was easy to workout it was DC and JB.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:12

They've had testing for years! Although maybe there will be more random, on-the-spot tests now. I don't think they presently have these.

No doubt it supports the UN war on drugs. Nothing wrong with a bit of smoke every now and again.


I hear you brother!!

James Hunt would have been totally screwed if he were driving today!

#17 rolf123

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:22

I think the only drugs a driver would test positive for would be recreational and not performance inhancing. Drug use is rife in all walks of life and i dont think motorsport is any different. you can be sure some machanics and team members occasionally indulge, and i remember a few years ago a paper reporting a couple of F1 drivers snorting a substance at some showbiz party. They werent named of course, but from what was written it was easy to workout it was DC and JB.


Wow DC and JB eh? And I thoguht DC was cleaning living kinda guy :D

Drug testing is so ridiculous though because the harder recreational ones clear the body quicker than the softer ones.

btw the only drugs I think could work for performance enhancing in F1 are those that steady the nerves like beta blockers.

hey I love your Patrick Depailler avatar btw f**kin classic pic :D

I hear you brother!!

James Hunt would have been totally screwed if he were driving today!


Exactly! He won a WDC too!



#18 primer

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:40

These anti-doping regulations are nonsense. :down:

Looking forward to next scandal when some unfortunate driver is accused of 'doping' just because he did not consult a huge directory before his meal.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:54

Drug testing is so ridiculous though because the harder recreational ones clear the body quicker than the softer ones.


hey I love your Patrick Depailler avatar btw f**kin classic pic :D

Pfft, tell me about it!
Cheers, i always have a little chuckle at the schumi pic in your avatar :lol:

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#20 KateLM

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:00

These anti-doping regulations are nonsense. :down:

Looking forward to next scandal when some unfortunate driver is accused of 'doping' just because he did not consult a huge directory before his meal.

Its not exactly hard - just don't do drugs. Problem solved.

#21 rhukkas

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:01

The FIA have been doing this for years already. A kart driver got a ban after he tested positive for the wacky backy Flavio Camponeschi FAILS FIA drug test! Rowland is KF2 World Cup Champ!

#22 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:02

These anti-doping regulations are nonsense. :down:

Looking forward to next scandal when some unfortunate driver is accused of 'doping' just because he did not consult a huge directory before his meal.


This is Formula 1. If you can't pass tech you're an idiot.

#23 primer

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:40

Its not exactly hard - just don't do drugs. Problem solved.


What about supplements and such.



#24 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:49

They will be covered by the definitions of what's in and out like all other sports. Racing drivers have the least to fear. They hardly take anything as is so unless they take the wrong cold medicine (which is possible given drug laws country to country) they're unlikely to break any rules. And the team doctors and their personal trainers won't have any problems staying in the safe zone.

It's kind of a silly discussion because there's been doping rules in motorsport for a while. They're just redefining the list and most likely the detection methods.

#25 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:12

What about supplements and such.


Every driver has a personal doctor and/or trainer who tells them what to eat.

Despite stories from cycling, no one gets burned by drug testing, the guys that claim this always turn out to be lying and write a book about it a few years later.

Yes, they did/do take stimulants in F1, and drugs like modafinil to maintain focus under high adrenaline. They are not worried about pot (but alcohol is ok?), they are worried about some wanker passing out in car from taking too much speed, or too much beta blockers.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:25

It is long overdue that motorsport fell into line with other sports and joined up with WADA. The idea that motorsport is in some way different and that illegal drugs aren't used, or that they aren't of any use, is just complacency really.

All the drivers have used personal trainers and nutritionists etc for years now, just as in other major sports. The idea that one of them won't have toyed with using 'supplements', steroids, EPA, or whatever is a bit naive IMO. Assuming that the FIA actually enforce testing and don't brush any positives under the carpet (which is perhaps less likely now that the Mosley era is over) I would not be surprised to see someone busted next year.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:37

It is long overdue that motorsport fell into line with other sports and joined up with WADA. The idea that motorsport is in some way different and that illegal drugs aren't used, or that they aren't of any use, is just complacency really.

All the drivers have used personal trainers and nutritionists etc for years now, just as in other major sports. The idea that one of them won't have toyed with using 'supplements', steroids, EPA, or whatever is a bit naive IMO. Assuming that the FIA actually enforce testing and don't brush any positives under the carpet (which is perhaps less likely now that the Mosley era is over) I would not be surprised to see someone busted next year.

LOL what a bunch of BS, motorsport has been testing for drugs for years now and has been working with WADA for years too.
The fact that you think that because of some press release all of a sudden things are changing massively and "someone might be busted next year" merely shows how little you know about what has been going on in the sport re anti-doping.

Ignorance bliss, I guess :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:45

Can someone elaborate on which particular substances could prove an advantage for an F1 driver? I head Fangio used to take some amphetamines or similar for racing. Is there really a performance enhancer for driving?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:45

Since when did F1 have a doping problem? What would a doping problem in F1 even look like? :confused:


Pretty ignorant comment. Drivers train very hard to get as fit as they can, drugs would help. We dont know if there's a doping problem because it hasnt been tested properly yet!

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:46

LOL what a bunch of BS, motorsport has been testing for drugs for years now and has been working with WADA for years too.
The fact that you think that because of some press release all of a sudden things are changing massively and "someone might be busted next year" merely shows how little you know about what has been going on in the sport re anti-doping.

Ignorance bliss, I guess :rolleyes:


Funny how nobody has been caught...

#31 JPW

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:49

We dont know if there's a doping problem because it hasnt been tested properly yet!

Ohh is that so please enlighten us then what hasn't been tested properly in the past and what will be tested properly now.
Or are you merely parroting a press release?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:51

Funny how nobody has been caught...

That's what I mean with ignorance bliss :lol:

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:51

Never understood why one sector of entertainment industry has different rules than others. Why is there no drugs tests for painters, singers, actors, clowns and so on?


#34 Madras

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:54

Ohh is that so please enlighten us then what hasn't been tested properly in the past and what will be tested properly now.
Or are you merely parroting a press release?


No all I'm saying is it hasnt been tested properly, I'm not saying it will change, but who knows, it might.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:54

Funny how nobody has been caught...

In this sport, if you're going to cheat it's far more easier to do something with the car, rather than risk your career and reputation on a possible negligible effects from drugs. Which tend to be discovered rather easily.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:54

Never understood why one sector of entertainment industry has different rules than others. Why is there no drugs tests for painters, singers, actors, clowns and so on?


Because nobody cares if they take drugs.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:56

In this sport, if you're going to cheat it's far more easier to do something with the car, rather than risk your career and reputation on a possible negligible effects from drugs. Which tend to be discovered rather easily.


I would disagree. What's a driver going to do to the car? Only engineers have that expertise. On the other hand if a driver is scared of losing his seat...or wants to lose a bit more weight but keep his strength up...

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:01

I'd stick a needle up any orifice if it helped me keep my seat in F1. Mind you, I'd mud wrestle my own mother for an F1 seat in the first place, so what do I know.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:01

Because nobody cares if they take drugs.


I thought it was because athletes taking drugs are essentially forced to put themselves in serious danger in order to compete. I haven't seen any evidence that a) a racing driver or motorcyclist who takes drugs gains a material advantage over another one who does not, or b) that by taking these drugs said racing driver's life is significantly more in danger.

On the other hand there's the famous story about one of the Whittington brothers taking coke before the Indy 500. Mario Andretti went up to his team owner (who later served time for drug running IIRC), and told him something to the effect that either his driver didn't start the race, or he'd go public with their 'operation'. Brave man... The kid didn't start the race.

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#40 rm111

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:12

I would disagree. What's a driver going to do to the car? Only engineers have that expertise. On the other hand if a driver is scared of losing his seat...or wants to lose a bit more weight but keep his strength up...

I think you've got a point there regarding the weight, DC has said he was once bulimic because of the pressure to stay as light as possible, so some drivers must have contemplated taking some sort of appetite suppressant, or something to burn fat off, i mean just imagine the size of Rubens' arse after christmas.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:22

On the other hand there's the famous story about one of the Whittington brothers taking coke before the Indy 500. Mario Andretti went up to his team owner (who later served time for drug running IIRC), and told him something to the effect that either his driver didn't start the race, or he'd go public with their 'operation'. Brave man... The kid didn't start the race.

Dale Whittington didn't start the race only because he crashed before the start (as did Mario).

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:27

Because nobody cares if they take drugs.


So why should anyone care if F1 drivers take drugs?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:30

Never understood why one sector of entertainment industry has different rules than others. Why is there no drugs tests for painters, singers, actors, clowns and so on?

Because for painters, singers, actors and clowns outperforming your usual self is exactly what you should be aiming at.

Painting, singing and acting are competitions with your own limits and boundaries.

Competing in the FIA F1 WDC is competing with other drivers and teams as well.

Edited by scheivlak, 03 November 2010 - 22:31.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:38

Dale Whittington didn't start the race only because he crashed before the start (as did Mario).


Good way of ensuring that he couldn't race rather than having to find an excuse to placate his sponsors for not getting in the car :D Mind you weren't Bill, Don and the farmers of Colombia his sponsors anyway !!

On the subject of drug testing, didn't Barrichello fail / nearly fail one several years ago - late 90s I guess

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:43

But who gives a shit if Lucas di Grassi wants to smoke weed? Or Timo Glock does cocaine? That is none of our business, and if an F1 driver had a drug habit (note, habit - not everyone is an 'addict') then so what? Just about every drug out there has the capability of being 'performance enhancing' anyway. I understand when people make the argument based on moral reasons, but if you're going to just go by what is legal and what isn't to form your opinion (not that anyone in this thread is doing it, just saying) then you're a ****ing idiot, because every law, especially drug-related ones, have some element of bullshit attached to them. Caffiene is perfectly legal, so what? No one gives a shit if Nico Rosberg loaded himself up with caffiene pills to help him, but if he did something else that was illegal but generated the same effect, it would somehow be 'wrong'?

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But who gives a shit if Lucas di Grassi wants to smoke weed? Or Timo Glock does cocaine? That is none of our business, and if an F1 driver had a drug habit (note, habit - not everyone is an 'addict') then so what? Just about every drug out there has the capability of being 'performance enhancing' anyway. I understand when people make the argument based on moral reasons, but if you're going to just go by what is legal and what isn't to form your opinion (not that anyone in this thread is doing it, just saying) then you're a ****ing idiot, because every law, especially drug-related ones, have some element of bullshit attached to them. Caffiene is perfectly legal, so what? No one gives a shit if Nico Rosberg loaded himself up with caffiene pills to help him, but if he did something else that was illegal but generated the same effect, it would somehow be 'wrong'?

performance enhancing drugs....

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:54

Yeah, because I trust that's the only thing the FIA will look for.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 23:09

So why should anyone care if F1 drivers take drugs?


You're right.

The performance enhancing argument for F1 is weak compared to other sports.

But the "image" and "role model" argument and the wrath of the UN's influence and war on drugs is another big reason why drug testing occurs.

I mean, destory Enge's career because he smoked a few joints. Crazy. Yes, it was his fault but why do we have such crazy rules in the first place?

You are right, most people don't care. But those with an agenda push it on everyone else anyway.

I wish Bernie would do his own thing and stick his 2 fingers up. He's powerful enough to tell them to get lost. Actually, there is no sudden random test in F1, probably because drivers live all over the world and have many sponsor/work duties and cannot easily report to a place within 2 hours for a piss test. Remember the Rio Ferdinand scandal.

Remember, finding drugs in your system does not mean you drove under the influence.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 23:10

performance enhancing drugs....


No they also look for recreational drugs too, I believe.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 00:00

But who gives a shit if Lucas di Grassi wants to smoke weed? Or Timo Glock does cocaine? That is none of our business, and if an F1 driver had a drug habit (note, habit - not everyone is an 'addict') then so what? Just about every drug out there has the capability of being 'performance enhancing' anyway. I understand when people make the argument based on moral reasons, but if you're going to just go by what is legal and what isn't to form your opinion (not that anyone in this thread is doing it, just saying) then you're a ****ing idiot, because every law, especially drug-related ones, have some element of bullshit attached to them. Caffiene is perfectly legal, so what? No one gives a shit if Nico Rosberg loaded himself up with caffiene pills to help him, but if he did something else that was illegal but generated the same effect, it would somehow be 'wrong'?


Somebody give this man his drugs back.