Jean Todt and Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh and Domenicali?
Andy
Edited by AndyW35, 03 November 2010 - 16:26.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:17
Edited by AndyW35, 03 November 2010 - 16:26.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:20
Are you talking about drivers or management?
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Have to agree although i didnt mind Dennis to much, even though he got a bit annoying towards the end, trying to look pittyful and the cringeworthy standing ovations he got from the team after spygate. Always hated Todt mind you!Whitmarsh and Domenicali, without any doubt!!
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 16:47
Of the four, Ron's the only one who rises above general mehness so I guess my answer is Dennis and Todt.
Edited by Smile17, 03 November 2010 - 16:50.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:32
Looking at the way he managed 2007 , makes me think he was the worst ever! Yes, I'm talking about ron dennis.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:35
Posted 03 November 2010 - 17:38
Whitmarsh and DomenicelliTimes have changed, thought I would just chuck this up in the air for your thoughts on the new era.
Jean Todt and Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh and Domenicali?
Andy
Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:26
Well, British press pushed him to do what he did. He also seems to love Lewis for whatever the reasons. Don't forget personal emotions often cloud your judgement. It really backfired, especially if Alonso ends up winning WDC's with Ferrari.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:33
Domenicali is owned by SantanderWhitmarsh and Domenicali, without any doubt!!
Edited by Bonaventura, 03 November 2010 - 18:35.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:36
What? Report his post for having an opinion? What were going to "Report" his post for?Utter and total bullshit. If you think the Britsh press control ANY team then you're seriously deluded. How can you talk about personal emotions clouding judgment when you have collectively accused an entire nation's press of influencing decisions ? The only reason i've not reported your post is because i want to redress your statement in a public environment.
Back on topic. Domencialli seems the most personable character by some margin. He's always around for an interview, seems very well educated, approachable and genuinely enthusiastic about the sport. Martin Whitmarsh is still a little too bit corporate for my liking. However, if it came down to results, and results alone then i would find it hard to split a hair between Dennis and Todt. I think that they are more alike than most people realise.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 18:39
What? Report his post for having an opinion? What were going to "Report" his post for?
Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:16
Looking at the way he managed 2007 , makes me think he was the worst ever! Yes, I'm talking about ron dennis.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:19
Up until Hungary, what specifically did McLaren/Dennis do wrong?
Hamilton showed early in the season that he was capable of competing with Alonso which surprised just about everyone.
What happened in Q3 in Hungary was entirely the result of two totally intransigent drivers losing their heads. I don't see what Dennis could have done differently TBH. What happened after Hungary was entirely the result of that afternoon.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:22
What apart from patronising Alonso from the moment he joined Maca? Well his comments after Monaco didn't help!Up until Hungary, what specifically did McLaren/Dennis do wrong?
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:25
Todt, Whitmarsh and Domenicali were/are replaceable employeesTimes have changed, thought I would just chuck this up in the air for your thoughts on the new era.
Jean Todt and Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh and Domenicali?
Andy
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 19:49
What apart from patronising Alonso from the moment he joined Maca? Well his comments after Monaco didn't help!
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:00
Everybody seems to remember Hungary. It all started after Monaco GP. Anyway, a difficult situation for ANY team manager.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:00
Up until Hungary, what specifically did McLaren/Dennis do wrong?
Hamilton showed early in the season that he was capable of competing with Alonso which surprised just about everyone.
What happened in Q3 in Hungary was entirely the result of two totally intransigent drivers losing their heads. I don't see what Dennis could have done differently TBH. What happened after Hungary was entirely the result of that afternoon.
Everybody seems to remember Hungary. It all started after Monaco GP. Anyway, a difficult situation for ANY team manager.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:05
pure ignorance!
He was the reason why Mclaren ended with nothing, oh wait they ended up with a massive fine. He chose to make history with Lewis, fine for me, but he should have won the WDC if he was so sure Hamilton could do it! Mclaren will regret it forever (and believe me they do regret it) They could have won 07, 08 and 09 if they gave Alonso proper treatment. Ron Dennis has played a big part in that. Sorry for going a bit off-topic again.
Sorry but Ron Dennis made it difficult. Oh and it started way earlier. When it started Alonso was still at Renault. During the first GP we saw the first real signs...
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:06
Edited by Stuko, 03 November 2010 - 20:07.
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Up until Hungary, when between them Dennis and Alonso destroyed their relationship, what should McLaren have done differently?
Sorry but Ron Dennis made it difficult.
Edited by Hollow, 03 November 2010 - 20:23.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:27
After all these years and people still don't get it. Amazing.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:31
Well, British press pushed him to do what he did. He also seems to love Lewis for whatever the reasons. Don't forget personal emotions often cloud your judgement. It really backfired, especially if Alonso ends up winning WDC's with Ferrari.
what is there to get..a ROOKIE was matching a 2x wdc(which nobodody expected)After all these years and people still don't get it. Amazing.
As I said, it's difficult to fight against your instincs.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:38
I have a different opinion though.
Edited by Hollow, 03 November 2010 - 20:43.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:48
I know. English team must support the British driver - if he's fast enough. Makes sense.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:57
and would have been disappointed if McLaren had tried to hold him back.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 20:58
being british in an english? team has nothing to do with it at all(except to you)I know. English team must support the British driver - if he's fast enough. Makes sense. Too bad it didn't make sense to Alonso.
Enough of this. We all know what happened.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:00
if a rookie is matching a 2xwdc,then why should alonsos status be respected(i am a fan of alonso,i am not attacking him)Understandable. But the status of a 2 times WDC should have been respected.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:04
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geez Alonso isn't the first 2 time WDC,you want royal treatment then go out there and earn it,when you are getting your a** handed to you on your silver trophy then you have to step up your game or get beaten like a man....how was Alonso not respected? because he was expected to go out there and race? what should Mclaren have done to show him respect? put out a red carpet for him at every race?Understandable. But the status of a 2 times WDC should have been respected.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:29
my thoughts exactlygeez Alonso isn't the first 2 time WDC,you want royal treatment then go out there and earn it,when you are getting your a** handed to you on your silver trophy then you have to step up your game or get beaten like a man....how was Alonso not respected? because he was expected to go out there and race? what should Mclaren have done to show him respect? put out a red carpet for him at every race?
Edited by Callisto, 03 November 2010 - 21:29.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:47
geez Alonso isn't the first 2 time WDC,you want royal treatment then go out there and earn it,when you are getting your a** handed to you on your silver trophy then you have to step up your game or get beaten like a man....how was Alonso not respected? because he was expected to go out there and race? what should Mclaren have done to show him respect? put out a red carpet for him at every race?
Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:50
no what do you mean?No, but they did exactly that for his rookie teammate (if you know what I mean), can you believe it?
Posted 03 November 2010 - 21:51
Jesus you are whinner par excellence. Go awayNo, but they did exactly that for his rookie teammate (if you know what I mean), can you believe it?
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As was mentioned somewhere before the "Alonso/Hamilton War Of The Ages," Todt and Dennis are racing men. SD and MW are corporate men, the COO/CEO type.
I'll take the racers any day over a CEO... F1 needs some old school attitude to bust up this staunch, PC world it's been drawn into. We watch for entertainment and excitement. It's our breathe of fresh air AWAY from the office. Don't corporatize the sport anymore.
Posted 03 November 2010 - 22:18
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no they didn't..the truth is that Alonso could have beat Hamilton but instead he decided to stay rattled and expect special treatment,when i remember Canada and Hungary,i shake my head,how many times did he run wide at turn 1 in Canada? twice in a row and in Hungary instead of focusing on beating Hamilton to turn 1 when Hamilton screwed him,he decided to retaliate on track....as a WDC he should know better not to get into such silly battles with a hot headed rookie who is trying to make a name off him because that's exactly what Hamilton was doing,as far as i know,Alonso acted in a way that i expected someone like Hamilton to act at that time,he didn't act like someone who had won two titles and knows how to win titles.No, but they did exactly that for his rookie teammate (if you know what I mean), can you believe it?