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Is it a Matter of Honour for Vettel?


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#201 Mary Popsins

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 05:41

Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.



Or, Vettel leads all but the last lap. Lets Webber through for the championship.
Then raises his finger into the air.


It's a beautiful tale.
Or Vettel could lead none but the last lap and raise the same finger..



"If anyone clings to a finger, Tenryu will be so disappointed that he will annihilate Gutei, the boy and the clinger all together."

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#202 W154

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:41

:confused:
What's changed?

"Nowadays drivers consider getting more and more publicity on their names as a way of earning more money, and things are directed to this purpose instead of paying more attention to the real sport."
Juan Manuel Fangio

A sportsmans honour , especially in motor racing ,is an old 20 th century concept and has been stomped into the ground by the holy dollar.

#203 beute

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 13:05

If you want to talk about honour, let's talk about the 2010 Turkish GP, where Vettel ran his team-mate off the track in an overly zealous overtaking move. Mark lost 10 points that day due to Seb's actions. Those 10 points would put him in front of Alonso and in need of no assistance from Seb on Sunday.

yeah because vettel totally got an advantage there... right?
he would be even closer to webber if that crash never happened.

Let's talk about the fact that on many an occasion this year Mark Webber has dutifully turned down his engine and ran in a procession behind his team-mate, despite having better race pace (Malaysia, Suzuka) something Vettel refused to do in Turkey despite the two being very evenly matched in pace.


facts without prove are useless, but anyways:
Better race pace? Webber wasnt once in a situation where he could've attempted an overtaking move.
And im pretty sure Vettel himself turned down his engine in this situations, why wouldnt he?
he was controlling this race, he doesnt need to have better race pace than webber if he is infront of him in a comfortable lead.

Let's talk about Canada, where Webber was instructed to turn the engine down and finish behind Seb despite the fact Seb was nursing his car home with gearbox issues.


again, no prove, but afaik webber himself had problems too.


Let's talk about Monza, where Vettel was given a better pit strategy by the team and ended up in front of Webber in the final positions, despite having been outqualified and outpaced in the race by him.

Outpaced by webber?
last time I checked passing a driver that is 50km/h slower because of a brake lockup isnt called "outpacing"
Strategy is not a team only thing, if webber wanted to he could've gone for the same strategy.
It was a risk, webber was infront of vettel and didnt need to take that risk, especially if you consider alonso and button leading the race.
Vettel had nothing to lose, he was once again forced to yield positions because of a technical failure.

Given the number of points Mark Webber has conceded to Sebastian Vettel through team orders this year, I hardly see how Vettel could cry foul when asked to deliver the WDC to the team if such a situation was to arise. He has cost him plenty, he could do with giving a few back.

there was one situation where vettel indeed had a advantage, and that was silverstone, and as a matter of fact Webber won that race, so no harm done.
Webber is infront of vettel because he didnt have a single DNF because of a technical failure.
He was faster in monaco and barcelona and that's it.
for the rest of the season either vettel was faster or they were even.

#204 trogggy

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 14:14

"Nowadays drivers consider getting more and more publicity on their names as a way of earning more money, and things are directed to this purpose instead of paying more attention to the real sport."
Juan Manuel Fangio

A sportsmans honour , especially in motor racing ,is an old 20 th century concept and has been stomped into the ground by the holy dollar.

Unless you're arguing that that's happened in the last 12 months I don't see the relevance.

#205 JosTheBoss

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 14:18

kinda glad Vet wont have to move over now.