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#1 David Beard

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 13:01

As an alternative to the "Who would you have liked to see in F1?" thread, what cars or features have we missed seeing, but would have liked to have done?

For starters...

Connaught Godiva Climax
The March and Williams 6 wheelers
Lotus 88
Something with a 2 stroke engine.

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#2 Stephen W

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 13:14

As an alternative to the "Who would you have liked to see in F1?" thread, what cars or features have we missed seeing, but would have liked to have done?

For starters...

Connaught Godiva Climax
The March and Williams 6 wheelers
Lotus 88
Something with a 2 stroke engine.


A V16 BRM 3 Litre

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#3 Roger Clark

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 13:27

A single seater Birdcage Maserati, painted blue with a white nose band.

#4 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 13:56

What an interesting idea!

#5 Mallory Dan

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:10

David Cox's Lion. The 12 wheeled turbo thing written about in the late 70s

#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:21

In addition to what's already been suggested:

Lotus 57
The 64-valve BRM H16 engine
Hill GH2 (was it really a dog?)
That Alfa Romeo concept with the driver sitting dragster-style behind the rear wheels
Vanwall VW14

#7 ollychester

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:34

Someone sticking a big turbo and wings on a Lotus 33 in 1966 - all the tech was around, just needed tying together. And some tyres that would have coped.

#8 Tim Murray

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:41

(drifting now into the outer realms of fantasy)

A properly-funded, fully-developed Cisitalia 360, driven by Bernd Rosemeyer.

#9 roger ellis

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:44

It is no coincidence that the majority of submissions so far promote technical diversity!

I would like to advocate two engines from opposing ends of the cylinder count -

The 2 cylinder Ferrari 2.5 litre.
The 16 cylinder Coventry Climax 1.5 litre.



#10 David Beard

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:45

The 16 cylinder Coventry Climax 1.5 litre.


Supercharged in 1966

#11 Auroraf1

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 14:55

David Cox's Lion. The 12 wheeled turbo thing written about in the late 70s

I thought this was in the April 1st edition of Autosport?

Anyway a properly developed Chevron would have been a dream!

#12 rallen

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 15:04

I often like to think about what Jim Clark would have been like in a Lotus 72...

#13 rallen

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 15:05

Also Mansell deciding to stay in F1 and partner Prost for the 1993 season.

#14 paulhooft

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 15:42

Formula 1 Cars that you can drive:
When it rains!! :rotfl:

#15 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 15:55

Formula 1 Cars that you can drive:
When it rains!! :rotfl:


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I would of loved to see the life f190 make a f1 start as well as the Lola t97/30

#16 cheapracer

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 16:04

I would have like ground effect cars to never have happened and watched wing only cars balancing downforce with speed and mechanical grip with 700hp also allowing good old fashioned slipstreaming (that should never have been allowed to go out of fashion).

Sad thing is this is still totally possible but the powers to be just won't do it for reasons beyond me.

This all happened in the Super Modifieds class in the USA by the way, smart people.

#17 Paolo

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 19:05

Would have liked more technical freedom, with different minimum weights or wing sizes if balance was needed.
Turbines, 4WD, mechanical supercharging, turbos, 6 wheelers, wing cars, front engines: each solution with different weight and wings restrictions.
And narrow bias ply tyres for all.

#18 Vicuna

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 19:23

some overtaking

#19 Phil Rainford

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 19:42

A Grand Prix every year at Oulton Park :)


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#20 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 19:48

I would have liked to have seen more non championship f1 races after the 1983 ROC at brands hatch.

Perhaps the Oulton Park Gold Cup could return as a non championship F1 race  ;)

#21 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 19:59

Nice idea but F.1 team owners would run away screaming if they saw the run off areas/gravel traps in Cheshire.

#22 AJB

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 20:05

A Chaparral.

#23 Rob Miller

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 21:01

750cc Gilera rear-engined supercharged 6 cylinder

750cc Moto Guzzi rear-engined supercharged V12

#24 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 21:03

Glen Dix to return and become the chequred flag waver for every Grand Prix.

#25 D-Type

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 23:56

Rear engines banned
How different might history have been with front-engined cars? 1960 contested by (in alphabetical order) Aston Martin, BRM, a Cooper that looked like a cross between a Cooper-Bristol and a Lotus 12, Ferrari Dino, Lotus 16, Maserati (I like the idea of a F1 Birdcage), Scarab, maybe even Vanwall.
A Ford Mustang winning Le Mans in 1966. And today's cars would resemble the US Supermodifieds

A little more seriously, I'd like to see more manufacturer and US participation - Chevrolet mixing it with Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Honda, Toyota, Renault, Peugeot, Seat, Fiat etc

#26 scheivlak

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 00:22

Numbers on F1 cars that you can actually see and read like in the old days http://www.forix.com...0...amp;p=3&o=1

#27 Allan Lupton

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:20

Numbers on F1 cars that you can actually see and read like in the old days http://www.forix.com...0...amp;p=3&o=1

I'll drink to that!
We seem to have reverted to the system Brooklands used when it opened: taking horseracing as its model, identification was by drivers' apparal ("silks" as they are known) and we now seem to have to identify cars by team colours (what happened to international racing colours?) plus the drivers' helmets which we are supposed to be familiar with.

#28 Stephen W

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:33

A Grand Prix every year at Oulton Park :)

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I would have liked to have seen more non championship f1 races after the 1983 ROC at brands hatch.

Perhaps the Oulton Park Gold Cup could return as a non championship F1 race ;)


Agreed; and following on from the above two Grand Prix in Britain each year (I know it happened occasionally but I mean permanently)

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#29 Barry Boor

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 09:47

For me a full season of racing for the Eagle Weslake in 1968 (and 1969, 1970 etc etc etc).

#30 David Beard

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:34

For me a full season of racing for the Eagle Weslake in 1968 (and 1969, 1970 etc etc etc).


Don't you think if the Eagle had continued in F1 there would have been a switch to a DFV?

#31 David Beard

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 12:43

Rear engines banned
How different might history have been with front-engined cars? 1960 contested by (in alphabetical order) Aston Martin, BRM, a Cooper that looked like a cross between a Cooper-Bristol and a Lotus 12, Ferrari Dino, Lotus 16, Maserati (I like the idea of a F1 Birdcage), Scarab, maybe even Vanwall.


I don't know about a ban, but I do think the front engine layout was ever fully developed, after Cooper disrupted things. I suppose the ultimate would be a single seater Panoz?

#32 barrykm

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 13:07

I often like to think about what Jim Clark would have been like in a Lotus 72...


Now that's a thought... :cry:


#33 D-Type

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 15:40

I don't know about a ban, but I do think the front engine layout was ever fully developed, after Cooper disrupted things. I suppose the ultimate would be a single seater Panoz?

Once Cooper had shown that rear engines was the way to go, the only way that front-engined cars could have continued would be a ban on rear engines. So, to say "What if F1 had continued as front-engined?" I had to invent a ban. Incidentally, some forms of US racing, eg midgets, did ban rear engines.

#34 chdphd

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 16:14

Brooklands

#35 Phil Rainford

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 19:11

Rindt defend his title in 1971 :cry:


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#36 arttidesco

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 21:09

Francois Migault driving a half way decently funded Connew in 1973, and Dywa make it onto the starting grid, the alleged Hesketh V12 might have sounded good too !

Gerry Birrel or Roger Williamson in the 1974 Tyrrell, James Hunt in a Lotus, Niki Lauda finishing the 1976 German GP, technically I'd love to have seen the Lotus 80 and Arrows A2 succeed, Del boy Warwick in a Lotus, Paul Warwick in F1 in anything other than the Life, absolutely no pun intended, Damon Hill win the Hungarian GP in the Arrows Yamaha

I'd also loved to have seen Danica Patrick & Marco Andretti driving a properly funded USF1 powered of course by no more than hot air !

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 21:45

One thing that would have been great to see: a proper Senna/Schumacher duel from 1994 onwards...

#38 sonar

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 21:56

A Dutch Grand Prix after 1985... :well:

#39 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:20

derek warwick or martin brundle in the 1986 Lotus.

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#40 D-Type

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:26

Jean Behra in a fully developed and properly funded Bugatti 251

#41 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:30

it always seemed a waste for me, the bugatti, spending all that money building a pretty radical car and then only doing one grand prix with it.

#42 MCS

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:43

One thing that would have been great to see: a proper Senna/Schumacher duel from 1994 onwards...


We are way off topic here.

David's initial post read: "...what cars or features have we missed seeing, but would have liked to have done?..."


#43 Les

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:45

One thing that would have been great to see: a proper Senna/Schumacher duel from 1994 onwards...


I wish we could have seen that too. The mid-90s period was pretty dull after the loss of Senna in my opinion. Also agree about Rindt and Glen Dix! I have two wishes I would like to add. I wish we could have seen Gilles Villeneuve in a McLaren from 83 onwards and most of all I wish we could have seen Clark going against Stewart/Rindt/Lauda et al and winning another championship or three.

#44 elansprint72

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 22:51

One thing that would have been great to see: a proper Senna/Schumacher duel from 1994 onwards...


Wrong forum. :well:

#45 elansprint72

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Posted 10 November 2010 - 23:00

It would have been nice to see this win a GP at Aintree.


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#46 Nick Wa

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 02:06

Purely mechanical cars, no electrics / electronics, just a magneto.
The introduction of petrol and starter motors coincided with a major increase in fires and having the engine at the front and the fuel at the back helped keep the stuff that burnt as far away from the hot bits as possible.
Chapman wanted a limit on tyre width in the mid sixties.

What would I have liked to have seen F1 in '52 and '53 with a sorted BRM against the Alfas & Ferraris.

#47 ray b

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:28

eagle ford with sponsorship

some body put a turbo on a 1.5 car in 66

return of no wings and hard rubber

#48 Roger Clark

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 08:45

Rolls-Royce taking responsibility for the development of the V16 BRM, applying proper engineering standards to the engine and getting the supercharger working in the way they originally intended.

#49 rallen

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:52

Herbert winning the Italian GP in 1994 with the Lotus 109 - he always said he thought he would have won but for Irvine's shunt. That could have saved Lotus as by all accounts the 109 was a massive step forward.

#50 rallen

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 09:57

Also the ban on refuling not being overturned for 1994 - I think the sport went downhill after that and I would have been interested in seeing how everything developed with the new regs without sprint, stop racing making overtaking in the pits the way to change position.