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#1 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 12:05

I found this web site about Guy Michel and his BMS based on a Renalt 4CV.
It is mentioned that he came 6th in a German race or hillclimb. He must have started in the 1100cc sportscar class.
At the Schauinsland Hillclimb he is listed in the programm with race number 53. But he is not listed in the results (see below) I cann't find him in any other race or race results.
How does the car look in 1951?
Who can help?

result Schauinsland hillclimb 1951 1100cc sportcars
 1.   Kathrein		   Glöckler Porsche Typ 1	  9:05,82   79,1  KM/h
 2.   Sauter (CH)		Sauter Spezial			  9:13,20   78,1  Km/h
 3.   Raith			  Neumaier-BMW				9:43,09   74,1  KM/h
 4.   Trenkel			Trenkel-Special	 		9:43,12   74,1  KM/h 
 5.   Dübbers			AF-D VW					 9:45,75   73,8  km/h
 6.   Bumke			  PMM-VW Typ1				 9:47,69   73,5  km/h
 7.   Helbling (CH)	  Helbling-FIAT			   9:48,09   73,4  km/h
 8.   Bonnet			 DB-Panhard				  9:58,98   72,1  km/h
 9.   Finke			  VW Spezial				 10:03,28   71,61 KM/h
10.  Reinsberger (DDR)  VW Eigenbau				10:30,31   68,54 KM/h
11.  Busse			  Alpers-BMW				 11:42,73   61,47 KM/h

Edited by Hugo Boecker, 12 November 2010 - 14:27.


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#2 Henk Vasmel

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 22:26

I found this web site about Guy Michel and his BMS based on a Renalt 4CV.
It is mentioned that he came 6th in a German race or hillclimb. He must have started in the 1100cc sportscar class.
At the Schauinsland Hillclimb he is listed in the programm with race number 53. But he is not listed in the results (see below) I cann't find him in any other race or race results.
How does the car look in 1951?
Who can help?


Maybe one who has the book that is shown on the website. Like me. It is unlikely that the information is correct. The book, written by Robert Bosvin, the son of Camille Bosvin, the "B" in BMS, lists all known races for this car, and is excellently illustrated. In 1951 there were only 3 races, one at Montlhéry, the Bol D' Or and the Liège-Rome-Liège Rallye. This last one may have had a hill climb or such in Germany, but not details of that entry are known. The Bol D'Or was that year at St. Germain-en-Laye so a misunderstanding with Germany is a possibility. However the BMS was 3rd there and 1st in the 750 class so that speaks against it. The car in the Bol D' Or was the number 56 shown on the website, and that was the shape for 1951 and 1952. The license plate changed from 1665HA4 to 784Q36 due to France changing to a new system in 1951.
Does this help?

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#3 ERault

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 13:17

Just to confirm Henk's post, no trace of german results for the BMS in Pierre Abeillon's article published in october 1997 in Retroviseur.

#4 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:01

Thanks guys. It will help - no BMS in Germany besides in the entrylist at Schauinsland 1951, I think.

#5 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:21

Thanks guys. It will help - no BMS in Germany besides in the entrylist at Schauinsland 1951, I think.

At least I found a conformation in an old Auto Italiana from 1951.
Guy Michel came 11th in the 1951 Schauinsland 1100cc sporstcar class.