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#1 WhiteBlue

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 23:01

Q: Mateschitz has said that after the two-year contract with Renault he can imagine building his own engine. How could that work?
CH: With Red Bull anything is possible. For now we have to see what the engine regulations will be. It is important for us to work with an engine manufacturer like Renault over the next couple of years.

I see different options for Red Bull to get their own drive train development.

In 1981 McLaren commissioned Porsche to build the TAG badged and payed for turbo V6 engines that took them to championship glory. Ron Dennis had John Barnard as the best F1 engineer of his time to specify that engine and Porsche duly executed the job with competence and precision. There is no reason why Red Bull should not be able to do the same with Adrian Newey again. Newey is not inferior to Barnard in his visionary powers and Porsche has only gained in competence since 1985. In fact Porsche is the biggest manufacturer of race cars and racing engines by number and by sales. They also run a customer design and development company employing more than 500 engineers for the last twenty years. Should Ferdinand Piech ever meet his creator in the near future Porsche should also be up to their arms in F1 by their own choice. So it may be only a matter of time that Red Bull will have to push things all on their own.

Another option is to approach BMW who have a very good F1 engine department almost untouched sitting in Munich. They may not be inclined to go back into F1 under their own name yet but they could be inclined to keep a toe in the water if they get lavishly compensated. For a guy of Mateschitz's fortunes it makes little difference if he spends $150m or $200m per annum.

A little cash injection of $250m for five years would probably make both Porsche or BMW do a very decent job of it.


#2 pingu666

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 23:15

judd says hi
zytek says hi
cosworth says hi
AER says hi

#3 WhiteBlue

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 00:01

cosworth says hi

Not very likely with Cosworth's obligations and options to supply other teams. This would only make sense if Cosworth draws the shit card in the engine regulation game and decide that they do not want to develop their own engine for 2013. They could sign an exclusive contract with Red Bull for F1 engines that would give Red Bull the prerogative to decide any sales to other teams.

#4 thelastspot

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:43

In 2013 McLaren will be building their own engines. Could Redbull end up as a customer team?

Upsides would be that Woking and the Redbulls would be a powerful ally against Mercedes and Ferrari. With resource restrictions as they are, neither team can afford to have bespoke engine programs without a customer or two. Redbull of course have a built in customer with Toro Rossa. Force India seems to be shaping up to fill the same role for McLaren. McLaren are looking sell cars off their own brand name, and I could see them "sponsoring" Redbull by supplying engines. A Redbull winning with a McLaren engine in the back is a very cheap way to have Adrien Newy build you a winning car :)

#5 WhiteBlue

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:55

In 2013 McLaren will be building their own engines.

It is still an option but far a way from being announced as a reality.

Could Redbull end up as a customer team?

Possible but rather unlikely. Why are Red Bull making noises about an own engine now? Because Mercedes and McLaren deny them access to the best current F1 engine. This isn't likely to change unless they can control their own destiny without interference by another top team.

#6 ViMaMo

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:07

Reb Bull - BMW or Red Bull - Audi :eek:

#7 orndorf

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:20

Audi would build them a nice one,they have lots of experience with blown engines.

Edited by orndorf, 12 November 2010 - 06:21.

#8 DanardiF1

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:46

I'm surprised Renault haven't ditched them the amount they complain about the engines being duff.... probably only because they have a winning car. I don't think they'd be much quicker with a Merc, so to endlessly drone on about 'lacking BHP to those guys' and s*** like that is a big insult to the Renault guys...

#9 slideways

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:08

Not really. It's an insult to the FIA.