Ok... this will probably be my last post to you as clearly your tone deaf and then prepared to deny what you have said previously, which makes a discussion pointless.
No shite Sherlock!!! If Car B is faster than Car A, of course he will overtake... but what happens when they come around again? That's it...?? Just one overtake and thats it? Your digging now on this point and starting to bore. You cannot have cars at different performance levels, unless you have equal levels on engines, but some form of push to pass system, or KERS, etc. Which is NOT what you have said to date. If you are basing your arument on what you have seen on the TV...again...this becomes pointless. But just to shed a little light for you, Ill explain as simply and clearly as I can...
TOP SPEED IS IRRELEVENT... if the guy ahead of you gets onto the gas faster than you and you have equal cars (generally best to have equal cars for racing) then once he gets to more or less his top speed, the guy behind is more or less still catching up, until the braking zone. HOWEVER..here's the bit that you so boldly dismissed and I quoted below. If the guy behind can take a different line in the preceding corner to the straight and manage to get onto the gas a little quiker than the car ahead, then he not only starts to catch the car ahead, but with the effect of 'TOW' can increase that momentum to shoot past either on the brakes or ideally before. The reason why Alonso could not overtake as was explained to you, was the simple fact that Petrov backed Alonso up in the first hairpin by covering the line, then getting away before Alonso physically could, because Petrovs car was in the way. The only way to artificially make this irrelevent is to add a Boost or Push to pass system. OTHERWISE the preceding corner IS THE most important factor for a driver to make use of the straight.
"Actually if you opened up the engine rules so that they aren't rev limited anymore cars woud be able to slipstream past each other again, as opposed to the situation we have now where they bang against the rev limiter more often than not."
So how do you explain that during the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix not one car was hitting the rev limiter on the long straight? The opening up the engine rules, costs sky rocket again and to be honest...where is the limit? 20,000 revs, 30,000 revs? If one team manages to make their engine much more powerful...where is this racing we are looking for? The more powrful car will simply bugger off.
"Actually the best tracks where you get the best racing are where more than one level of downforce is effective. Layout is vastly overrated. Using some peoples logic in this thread we'd see loads of overtaking at Bahrain because design wise it is exactly what they are proposing we do to Abu Dhabi, but actually we get less overtaking at Bahrain than at Abu Dhabi. Just think about that
Bahrain is nothing like Abu Dhabi, even with the changes people are proposing... period. If you fancy posting a map of Bahraine next to Abu Dhabi and showing us how you come to this opinion... please go ahead. As to the statement that Layout is vastly overrated.....
Because of course Monaco is great for overtaking isnt? Oh wait...no, what your saying is that because no one runs different set-ups, that's why there is no overtaking at Monaco. Seriously...... just stop now. Oh...and I am pretty sure you again reference more than one level of downforce again yet denied making any such claim below??!!?? "If every car is reaching its terminal velocity before the end of the straight then that doesn't make any difference. Really."
Who said anything about terminal velocity? Look up the word 'Facetious'.. as that was what I was refering with the 'magical top speed' quote. You failed to explain in any way shape or form what you meant by Top speed and as I have explained above, its actually got bugger all to do with top speed, assuming all cars should be equal."Actually if you read my posts you'd see I was agreeing with you and you've just proved my point for me, cheers !"
Actually the difference is, I DID read your post/posts and just to be sure lets remind ourselves of the words you used:
the corner leading onto the straight is not important
So unless you have suddenly changed your opinion...No you have not been agreeing with me. As this is what I said:
So even the most stubborn of individuals will start to realise that the corner precededing the long straight really is key to what happens on that straight.... and the corner preceding the hairpin is key to the overtakes into the hairpin......is this sinking in yet?
To you, it was all about the straight and big stop at the end. What everyone here has pretty much told you, is that it is actually the preceding corner of the long straight that actually makes the most difference for overtaking. If you still dont accept that then you are beyond reasoning with. Or maybe you do now accept that?? Your answers keep changing so now I am confused.
"you try and state that during the race, the teams now run radically different aero set-up's. " WHERE HAVE I SAID THAT if you are going to troll me kid you will have to try a lot harder.
Is possibly the most bizarre backtrack and accusation I have seen, but again to be clear here are your words:
cars at tracks like montreal tend to run with dramatically different downforce levels, you get cars slipstreaming and overtaking each other.
So I think it is fair to say that you did suggest that cars run 'dramatically' different levels, so my comment was pretty spot on (aero is another word for downforce by the way). Or maybe you now realise that your accusation of 'trolling' is a little ...well how shall we say... daft? And as to the 'Kid' part... I am probably considerably older than you, so I suggest you dont go there."i don't understand what you are saying anymore"
I ammended this for you:
I dont understand
and I agree...you really dont.
I suspect you will swear you didnt state half those things in quotes, in which case any further discussion with you is pointless. The long and the short of it is... your original statement:
abu dhabi has really two long straights followed by two tight corners, that is perfect for overtaking why was there no overtaking then? in the case of this race, because everyone had pretty much identical top speeds
is simply not correct. It has been explained to you why... if you still still dont accept that, then good luck to ya...