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#1 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 13:31

With various photos of 250Fs appearing on the 250F driver thread, I thought it might be appropriate to begin a thread dedicated solely to photographs of the car throughout its long racing history, rather than clog up the discussion about those who have driven it.

So here is my opening salvo, removed from that thread, to set the ball rolling.

Of the 46 drivers I reckon I have seen (historic) racing 250fs, here are four of them..

From the 1976 British GP support race, Sir Jack Brabham and Sir Stirling Moss - I think Moss was in Neil Corner's car and Brabham in Patrick Lindsay's
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Here are the same two cars driven by their respective owners at the previous year's Richard Seaman meeting
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#2 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 13:39

Neil Corner's car (2528 - Fangio's Monaco GP winner) being unloaded from the ex-Ecurie Ecosse transporter which Neil used during the 1970s
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#3 kayemod

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 13:50

Lovely stuff Alan, love to see more.

#4 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 14:21

Some splendid Eddie Whitham photos of Charles Lucas with 2528 at the 1967 Richard Seaman meeting at Oulton Park
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#5 Sharman

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 14:54

Happy days That was the last race meeting I went to as a free man.

#6 Alan Cox

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 17:54

John Surtees, winning with the JCB Piccolo, Oulton Park Historic Gold Cup 1981
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#7 Zeroninety

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 19:48

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Great pics. Sir Stirling's sideburns are glorious! :rotfl:

#8 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 19:51

John Surtees, winning with the JCB Piccolo, Oulton Park Historic Gold Cup 1981
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sorry to be interrupting the thread but what is with the JCB logo, i've seen it on many historic race cars including a 250gt IIRC at goodyear this year and also a few Chevron B6, is it to do with the owner or normal sponsership by JCB :blush:

Great pic by the way Alan.

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#9 ellrosso

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 21:15

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Please excuse lack of retouching but here are a few pics from the ORP website. AGP 1959 Longford with Stan Jones (Alan's dad of course) on his victory lap.
Len Lukey and Stan during their torrid dice - one of the best races ever at Longford. 3rd pic is Arnold Glass.

#10 David McKinney

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 22:50

sorry to be interrupting the thread but what is with the JCB logo, i've seen it on many historic race cars including a 250gt IIRC at goodyear this year and also a few Chevron B6, is it to do with the owner or normal sponsership by JCB :blush:

Great pic by the way Alan.

JCB sponsored a British historic series in (I think) the '70s, catering for both sportscars and single-seaters
Sir Anthony Bamford, present chairman of JCB (Excavators) Ltd, is an avid collector and remains an entrant

#11 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 22:55

Thanks for that David

#12 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:24

Some splendid Eddie Whitham photos of Charles Lucas with 2528 at the 1967 Richard Seaman meeting at Oulton Park
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I never thought that I would ever be nostalgic for the 1960's but the pictures of Charles Lucas brought back many happy memories of seeing a Maserati 250F being driven the way that it should be. The sight of Lucas drifting through the old Woodcote Corner on his way to becoming one of the few people to lap the Silverstone Grand Prix circuit at over 100mph in a 250F remains in the memory. And he wore an open face helmet and short sleeved tee-shirt too!. :cool:

#13 Bauble

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 16:46

Despite hours of trying I can not embed an image from my Picasa site here so I invite you to view www. picasaweb.google.co.uk/rbmapics and look at the 250F album.

#14 Alan Cox

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:32

Despite hours of trying I can not embed an image from my Picasa site here so I invite you to view www. picasaweb.google.co.uk/rbmapics and look at the 250F album.

Here is the link required http://picasaweb.goo.../rbmapics/250F#

#15 Tim Murray

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 17:51

Despite hours of trying I can not embed an image from my Picasa site here so I invite you to view www. picasaweb.google.co.uk/rbmapics and look at the 250F album.

Bob, you shouldn't have any problem posting individual photos from your 250F file. In the reply box click on the 'Insert Image' icon (fourth from the right in the left hand group of icons, below the Fonts menu) then when the relevant box appears just insert the url of the photo you want to show, eg:

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Excellent photos!

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 19:03

mallory this year
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#17 Pink Snail

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 19:49

Bob, you shouldn't have any problem posting individual photos from your 250F file. In the reply box click on the 'Insert Image' icon (fourth from the right in the left hand group of icons, below the Fonts menu) then when the relevant box appears just insert the url of the photo you want to show, eg:

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Excellent photos!

That`s a great photo of Joaquin Folch in his 250F. He is a true gentleman and nothing is too much trouble to him. His cars are always very well turned out and a joy to see - especially the 250F... :smoking:

#18 David McKinney

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 20:54

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First photo I ever took of a 250F - Levin (NZ) November 1960

At the wheel is Len Gilbert, who ran the Lido Restaurant in Hamilton. The bloke pushing was one of his dish-washers at the restaurant. He later became an F1 driver in Europe. So did one of the other people in the background

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#19 Alan Cox

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 20:58

Lovely photo, David. What a fabulous shirt Len is wearing. I trust we can look forward to a few more....

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#20 Michael Ferner

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 21:00

Howden's the dishwasher, yes? Cannot make out any familiar face in the bg.

EDIT Maybe Graham McRae, looking to his left?

Edited by Michael Ferner, 19 November 2010 - 21:01.


#21 David McKinney

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 22:28

Tony Shelly, in the shades

He actually owned the car briefly six months later, then sold it to yet another future F1 driver...

#22 gavinevitt

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 03:25

The ex Owen Organisation 2509/2504 car that has spent most of its life in New Zealand, around 50 years in the ownership of the Southward's, and now on display at the Southward Museum outside Paraparaumu. Last raced by Chris Amon. Previously driven in NZ by Gavin Quirk and Lenny Gilbert. I expect to see it out for a run in January at the Amon Festival.

These were taken around 1999.

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And these in 2009 when the car was undergoing a rebuild, now completed.

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#23 Michael Ferner

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:50

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That 4CLT in the bg appears to have had a V8 lump in it at a time - can it be identified?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 08:10

Gavin,

Thanks for posting the photos of the 250F during restoration. I've never seen a 250F stripped bare.

Stephen

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:04

The 4CLT is actually an 8CLT-50 built for Indianapolis, but never raced there. Stretched 4CLT style chassis with 2984cc straight 8 with twin Rootes superchargers. Bought to NZ by Fred Zambuca in about 1956.

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Sorry to hijack the thread, but it least it is an interesting Maserati. :)



#26 David McKinney

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:39

And to go even further OT

Michael will also appreciate the Indianapolis Stutz in the background
(or is that before his time?)

#27 David Lawson

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:38

Alan

This a photograph I took at Brands Hatch in 1980 of what appears to be a 1955 250F but I will have to rely on others to fill in the details if they recognise the car and driver. I can't even remember what meeting it was I'm afraid.

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#28 Paul Parker

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:22

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Alan

This a photograph I took at Brands Hatch in 1980 of what appears to be a 1955 250F but I will have to rely on others to fill in the details if they recognise the car and driver. I can't even remember what meeting it was I'm afraid.

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From memory I think the Hon. Amschel Rothschild had a 250F around this time, no doubt David McK will know.

#29 Tony Matthews

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:27

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The bloke pushing was one of his dish-washers at the restaurant. He later became an F1 driver in Europe.

Well I hope it was a case of "Kiwi dish-washer cleans up in Europe!" Unfortunately I need more of a clue as to his name.

#30 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:34

Unfortunately I need more of a clue as to his name.

You'll find one in post 20, Tony. :p

#31 Tony Matthews

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:46

You'll find one in post 20, Tony. :p

Thank you Tim - I still can't recognise him from that, but he was a bit older when I came to see his vizog in the comics.

#32 Tim Murray

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:01

He certainly looks a bit older in that photo than the 18, nearly 19, he must have been at the time.

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 13:43

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Bell and colvill car at Goodwood early 80's


#34 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 14:33

From memory I think the Hon. Amschel Rothschild had a 250F around this time, no doubt David McK will know.

It is Rothschild, Paul, with the ex-Gilby car (rechassied) 2507 , subsequently returned to its Gilby green by Robin Lodge and currently owned by Klaus Edel.

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#35 Paul Parker

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 15:08

It is Rothschild, Paul, with the ex-Gilby car (rechassied) 2507 , subsequently returned to its Gilby green by Robin Lodge and currently owned by Klaus Edel.


I have since cheated and found 2507 listed as owned by Rothschild in period and further delving into the little grey cells brought back my surprise at seeing a very, very smart dark blue 250F at Silverstone some 30 years ago when most were predictably red.

#36 Michael Ferner

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 15:21

And to go even further OT

Michael will also appreciate the Indianapolis Stutz in the background
(or is that before his time?)


No, no, not at all! I know that car well. Should've looked more closely at the dual exhaust of the Maser, too, to realize it had to be an eight, but Maserati exhausts can be tricky ;)

Still, why those blisters on the bonnet? Offhand, I don't recall seeing a picture of the car in period, surely the valve angle can't have been that wide! :confused:

#37 David McKinney

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 15:58

Still, why those blisters on the bonnet? Offhand, I don't recall seeing a picture of the car in period, surely the valve angle can't have been that wide! :confused:

They're to clear odd high-mounted ancilliaries


#38 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 17:35

Here are a couple of photos of Roy Salvadori with Sid Greene's 250 F at Cyrstal Palace on September 18, 1954:

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This is Roy being towed into the Paddock at Crystal Place after breaking the De Dion tube in Practice at Crystal Palace, June 19, 1954.

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#39 kayemod

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 17:58

An interesting towing vehicle in that last pic.

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#40 Tony Matthews

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 18:27

An interesting towing vehicle in that last pic.

Yes, and also - have they unbolted the oil tank? The tail looks a bit truncated. I can't make out if the trailing oddment by the RR wheel is an oil hose or the end of the rope sling. Nah, rope...

#41 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 18:30

Great to see some period photos coming forward. Thanks to Robin and David.

Ludovic Lindsay with CM7, Donington 1998
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#42 David McKinney

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 18:48

Yes, and also - have they unbolted the oil tank? The tail looks a bit truncated.

It did race once with exposed rear tanks, and I think it was at the Palace..

#43 David McKinney

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 18:51

And this is the reason I included Ludovic Lindsay on my list of drivers when I said I'd excluded those who'd raced only Cameron Millar replicas :)

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#44 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 18:58

And this is the reason I included Ludovic Lindsay on my list of drivers when I said I'd excluded those who'd raced only Cameron Millar replicas :)

Nurburgring, with 2516, David?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:22

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Does Mallory this year count ? as we've seen various Maser's ? Mr Hadfield has provided some great shot's . In B+W of course!

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 19:43

.... and Bahrain in March 2010 ?


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A demonstration run of course in (one of ?) Bernie's, chassis #2514 I think - and it does have a Fangio at the wheel, Juan Manuel Fangio II. JohnP

#47 David McKinney

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 20:41

Nurburgring, with 2516, David?

Mais certainement
He did one leg and someone else (Chris Mayman, I'm fairly sure without checking) did the other

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 20:55

Some splendid Eddie Whitham photos of Charles Lucas with 2528 at the 1967 Richard Seaman meeting at Oulton Park


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This has to be one of the best Oulton photos I've ever seen.

Compositon- perfect. Get rid of the two stray arms in the marshal's box and it's a stunner. Oops; forgot this is not a photography forum. :cool:

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 20:59

A bit apprehensive in asking this, but ... were the Dunlop wheels à la post #22 often fitted to 250F's ?

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 21:17

A bit apprehensive in asking this, but ... were the Dunlop wheels à la post #22 often fitted to 250F's ?

Just that one IIRC.
BRM were going to use them on their cars, so fitted them (and Dunlop disc brakes) to their 250F

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