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#51 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 22:31

Stirling Moss had the Dunlop wheels on his car for all of 1955 and the 1956 NZ GP in conjunction with the use of their disc brakes.
Before and after were the usual Borrani wire wheels and Maserati drums.

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#52 elansprint72

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 22:49

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#53 MCS

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:05

I spotted a sterling silver 250F model in Ralph Lauren in London yesterday afternoon which appeared to cost £1,750 :eek: - although I didn't have my glasses.

For the life of me I can't seem to find a picture of it on the internet, but is anybody the wiser?

There was also a lovely model of the Moss/Jenkinson Mille Miglia-winning Mercedes, but I couldn't see the price of that at all, but Messrs Moss and DSJ were clearly in situ.

Great thread Alan!

#54 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:14

A friend had one of these (or similar) once
I believe three were made

Might pop down to Ralph's next week and have a look. If my memory of the one I saw is correct, that price might have a nought missing...

#55 Bauble

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 10:04

Bob, you shouldn't have any problem posting individual photos from your 250F file. In the reply box click on the 'Insert Image' icon (fourth from the right in the left hand group of icons, below the Fonts menu) then when the relevant box appears just insert the url of the photo you want to show, eg:

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Photo copyright Bob Bull

Excellent photos!


Tim,
Many thanks for your assitance, however, my problem is that the image 'wraps'do not appear when I click the insert image icon. I run Windows 7 and IE8 but have also tried in Mozilla to no effect. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. I can post pictures on other forums ie Brakehorsepower using the same technology!

However the link to the site means that the pics are easily viewed (and downloaded if wanted) by interested parties.

I wondered if anybody had replied to my post when I logged on this morning, but it seems that you cannot turn your back for a moment as it took me some time to catch up with all of he replies and posts - and - pictures added since I last checked the thread!

Eric has already listed the drivers we watched in action in 250F's since 1954, and it is quite emotional to see that it is still regarded as one of the finest Grand Prix cars ever raced.

I doubt if any of todays cars will be regarded as classics in fifty years time.


Kind regards,

Bob.

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#56 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 10:34

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2524, the ex-Francisco Godia-Sales/Jo Bonnier/Phil Cade car, here driven by Joaquín Folch-Rusiñol Corachán (to give him his full moniker) at Donington 1998
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Nigel Corner with 2528, Coys 1996. Body styles all varied but this is surely the classic 250F profile.
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The current president of Bugatti Automobiles S.A.S., Dr Thomas Bscher, with 2516 at Coys 1996. This car, when owned by Anthony Mayman, very much became the 'Club' car of ERA drivers, who nearly all took their turn racing it at one time or another.
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2528. Coys 1996
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CM7. Coys 1996

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#57 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:02

Tim,
Many thanks for your assitance, however, my problem is that the image 'wraps'do not appear when I click the insert image icon. I run Windows 7 and IE8 but have also tried in Mozilla to no effect. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. I can post pictures on other forums ie Brakehorsepower using the same technology!

However the link to the site means that the pics are easily viewed (and downloaded if wanted) by interested parties.

How very strange. I suppose you could always type in the tags yourself at the beginning and end of the url, but, as you say, the photos are easily viewed on your Picasa site Many thanks for sharing them, and thanks too to everyone else for all the other excellent photos.

#58 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:24

A great selection of period colour from LAT archive
http://www.latphoto....y=maserati 250F

#59 Marticelli

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:59

Great thread Alan and a great collection of photos on LAT, but bottom right on page four is supposed to show Fangio in a 250F which has mysteriously grown side tanks like a D50... shurely shome mishtake?? Never seen one like that before...

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#60 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 12:09

This is from the Monaco Historique in 2008. It is Gigi Baulino, pretending to be Martin Brundle, apparently:

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I thought the thread was supposed to be of 250Fs :)

#61 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 12:22

Sorry, I was fooled by the car description in the Monaco programme which reads Maserati 250.F - silly me!

I suppose this isn't one, either:

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#62 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 12:30

Sorry, I was fooled by the car description in the Monaco programme which reads Maserati 250.F - silly me!

I suppose this isn't one, either:

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The scaffolding erector should be shot!!. :mad:

#63 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 12:58

The scaffolding erector should be shot!!. :mad:

Agreed. However, as has been discussed here on numerous occasions, it is a matter of the owner's personal choice. However, I do find that, these days, I avoid photographing cars with bedsteads attached.

By the way, Barry, that second shot is a 250F (as I think you know ;) ). It is Tom Price's 2525 'offset'.

#64 Phil Rainford

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 13:28

Mallory Lake, Simon Hadfield and a Maserati 250 F :)

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#65 Tim Murray

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 13:36

Great thread Alan and a great collection of photos on LAT, but bottom right on page four is supposed to show Fangio in a 250F which has mysteriously grown side tanks like a D50... shurely shome mishtake?? Never seen one like that before...

Marticelli

Going OT - sorry - but that photo is interesting. When was it taken? The road car in the background looks fairly modern. It's obviously not the same as on the video clip linked to in this earlier thread:

Fangio in a Lancia D50?

so on which other (relatively recent) occasion did Fangio drive a D50?

#66 kayemod

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 14:00

Going OT - sorry - but that photo is interesting. When was it taken? The road car in the background looks fairly modern.


It looks to me like an early 70s Alfa.


#67 Bauble

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 14:02

Atta Boy, Eric! A fair trial and a fair hanging. It is a crime that such masterpieces are not protected by law.

I have yet to see anyone post a picture of the 'streamliner' that Jean Behra drove at Monza in 1957. We should have one to complete the set, and what about the Tech-Met a heavily modified 250F?

#68 mikeC

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 15:22

Here are a couple of very amateurish shots that I took probably around 1970.
The first is at Silverstone, and I think shows Charles Lucas leading Patrick Lindsey

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and the second is approaching Lodge Corner at Oulton Park

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Sadly I never identified my photos, so I will have to rely on others for a more positive identification.

#69 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 15:33

Then there's this one:

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Taken at the 2003 Festival of Speed.

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#70 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 17:26

I have yet to see anyone post a picture of the 'streamliner' that Jean Behra drove at Monza in 1957. We should have one to complete the set, and what about the Tech-Met a heavily modified 250F?

The 'streamliner' appeared in Behra's hands at Monza in 1955, and again in practice at Rheims in 1956, albeit with different bodywork

The 250F that was "heavily" modified to become a Tec-Mec was a standard car with Chevrolet V8 engine

The F1 Tec-Mec, on the other hand, was not based on a 250F at all, but a new design from an independent company (though with 250F engine)

I dismiss it from the 250F canon for the same reason I had a (friendly) go at Barry for posting a picture of one of the 250F-engined 1953 A6GCMs

But I include Barry's second posting, of a V12 250F :)


#71 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 17:32

The first is at Silverstone, and I think shows Charles Lucas leading Patrick Lindsey

and the second is approaching Lodge Corner at Oulton Park

The first photo looks like Charles Lucas in second place, Mike. Don't recognise the driver of the leading car (Richard Bergel?), but Patrick Lindsay usually wore a black helmet wth peak. The second one is Lucas, and it looks like the same meeting pictured in post #4 (i.e car no 19). Thanks for posting.

#72 Barry Boor

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 17:42

Non-250F removed.

#73 Rob G

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 17:53

Going OT - sorry - but that photo is interesting. When was it taken? The road car in the background looks fairly modern. It's obviously not the same as on the video clip linked to in this earlier thread:

Fangio in a Lancia D50?

so on which other (relatively recent) occasion did Fangio drive a D50?



It looks to me like an early 70s Alfa.

And the clothes suggest much later than that. Perhaps at least the early to mid-'80s?

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:01

And the clothes suggest much later than that. Perhaps at least the early to mid-'80s?


Quite possibly, but that doesn't alter the fact that the road car is an early 70s Alfa.


#75 Phil Rainford

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:19

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Richard Seaman meeting 9th June 1985 (Nick Mason???)

Calling Mr Cox .... come in Mr Cox can you confirm as you were standing next to me? :)


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#76 Rob G

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:29

Quite possibly, but that doesn't alter the fact that the road car is an early 70s Alfa.

Absolutely. I just offered that to help pinpoint Tim's question of when that photo was taken.

#77 mikeC

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 19:41

The first photo looks like Charles Lucas in second place, Mike. Don't recognise the driver of the leading car (Richard Bergel?), but Patrick Lindsay usually wore a black helmet wth peak. The second one is Lucas, and it looks like the same meeting pictured in post #4 (i.e car no 19). Thanks for posting.


Thanks, Alan. If the Oulton photo dates from 1967, the Silverstone one probably does, too, as they appear to have been on the same roll of film.
Richard Bergel is quite possible - I seem to recall that this was the only lap in the race when the cars were in this order, and that the race report claimed that No1 (Lucas) led the entire race; but I knew differently!

#78 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 20:59

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Richard Seaman meeting 9th June 1985 (Nick Mason???)


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Sorry Phil - there was only one 250F at that meeting, No.3 (Nick Mason)


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:06

Oulton Park last year, Gold Cup meeting.

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#80 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:16

Sorry Phil - there was only one 250F at that meeting, No.3 (Nick Mason)

However, in 1986, Nick was No.186 :)


#81 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:45

Another Eddie Whitham shot from 1967 Seaman Trophy meeting. I don't have a programme but think this may be Colin Crabbe's car with the tall figure of Mr Crabbe approaching from the left
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 21:55

Another Eddie Whitham shot from 1967 Seaman Trophy meeting. I don't have a programme but think this may be Colin Crabbe's car with the tall figure of Mr Crabbe approaching from the left
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Looking at the nose,looks like ex Stan Jones car?


#83 Phil Rainford

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 22:03

However, in 1986, Nick was No.186 :)


Thanks David the car is without doubt 186........ somehow I found a programme from a meeting I didn't attend :blush:


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#84 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 04:40

To mikeC,

Doing some catching up here.
Your two B&W photos in post 68.
The first is from Silverstone on the 22nd of April 1967. Car #5 is Lord Angus Clydesdale driving the car he shared with Dr. Richard Bergel. Car #1 is of course Charles Lucas.
The second photo is as Alan called it, from the June 17th 1967 Oulton Park meeting and as mentioned is Charles Lucas. Alan's post #4 and the recent shot of Colin Crabbe in the ex-Stan Jones car are from that same June 17th meeting.

Great stuff.
Cheers,
Barrie

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#85 mikeC

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 07:31

Thanks, Barrie :up:

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:26

Posted on behalf of Bjørn Kjer

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Does anyone recognise this car/photo?
No information was given on either date or location, only that it was the Testut 250F.
I thought that the Testut 250F was white?

#87 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 13:18

If it is the Testut car it is 2521.

Obviously it was red before it was ever white.


#88 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 14:44

Hello,
The #2 red 250F pictured above is indeed 2521 but it is pictured after it was owned by Testut. It is shown here during the ownership of Serge Pozzoli.
Cheers,
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 15:55

So, red to white and back to red again.

#90 David McKinney

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 16:35

More red to grey to white and back to red :)

#91 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 17:20

I deleted my earlier mail asking if it could have to do with Jean Lucas or Serge Pozzoli not to mix up with the picture post. Question now is who raced it in this latest red colour , I do not seem to find it ?

#92 Bauble

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 17:21

If it is the Testut car it is 2521.

Obviously it was red before it was ever white.


The picture has a somewhat 'period' feel about it, it might be the Testut car, but when was the picture taken?

Just a thought.

#93 Barrie Hobkirk

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 18:01

Hello,
As I said before, the above photo of 2521 was taken during Serge Pozzoli's ownership. Hard to say exactly when as the car remained fixed in appearance the entire length of his ownership, including the #2 on the nose.
My best estimate is the photo was taken anywhere from 1970 to 1979.
Cheers,
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 18:36

Thanks very much !

#95 David McKinney

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 19:49

Question now is who raced it in this latest red colour , I do not seem to find it ?

Pozzoli never raced the car during his long ownership (1960-86?) though it was demo'd once or twice in that time
It returned to the circuits (in red) in 1990 with Burkhard von Schenk, who retains it to this day (unless it's been sold in the past few months)


#96 Bauble

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 20:28

Still can't post pics despite valiant efforts, so check out the my site for the picture Eric mentions; Patrick Lindsey Silverstone 1965 box brownie version.

http://picasaweb.goo.../rbmapics/250F#

Edited by Bauble, 22 November 2010 - 20:32.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 21:00

The 'streamliner' appeared in Behra's hands at Monza in 1955, and again in practice at Rheims in 1956, albeit with different bodywork

The 250F that was "heavily" modified to become a Tec-Mec was a standard car with Chevrolet V8 engine

The F1 Tec-Mec, on the other hand, was not based on a 250F at all, but a new design from an independent company (though with 250F engine)

I dismiss it from the 250F canon for the same reason I had a (friendly) go at Barry for posting a picture of one of the 250F-engined 1953 A6GCMs

But I include Barry's second posting, of a V12 250F :)


Tec-Mec (full name Studio Tecnica Meccanica ) was a Formula One constructor from Italy. They participated in a single Grand Prix. The company was founded by Valerio Colotti in 1958.

Tec-Mec used an improved, lightened version of the Maserati 250F. Improvements were made by Colotti, who had designed the 250F, and financed by Lloyd Casner of Camoradi International. The team made its single outing in the 1959 United States Grand Prix, but the car, driven by Fritz d'Orey lasted a mere six laps before retiring.

Colotti sold the team at the end of the year, but the company continued to produce Formula Junior cars.



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#98 Alan Cox

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 21:59

Barrie Hobkirk has sent me a collection of his photos for posting on his behalf. Here are a few to be going on with:

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2507 Silverstone 1992
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2504 Silverstone 1997
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The very distinctively-bodied 2506 Schlumpf Collection 1993

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 22:09

Here are a couple of photos of Roy Salvadori with Sid Greene's 250 F at Cyrstal Palace on September 18, 1954:
This is Roy being towed into the Paddock at Crystal Place after breaking the De Dion tube in Practice at Crystal Palace, June 19, 1954.
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The only thing which comes to mind for the truck is a variant of the pre war Dennis Ace, aka the Flying Pig, with the 3.8ltr 4pot engine, running at around 4 tons gross weight, rather than the heavier version with the 6cyls. They were widely used in war service, as tow vehicles/tracors for planes, and also popular as fire engines, hence possibly the larger wheels and tyres, and this may have been converted to a breakdown truck with the adapted bodywork, possibly built by Cornwall Garage, as ex WD vehicles were very commonplace and inexpensive in the early 1950s, often sold at auction less any special bodywork.
Some of you might recall BP using more modern versions of these vehicles post WW2 as brightly liveried bulk oil delivery vehicles.
Then again I might have got it wrong
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#100 David McKinney

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 23:10

Tec-Mec (full name Studio Tecnica Meccanica ) was a Formula One constructor from Italy. They participated in a single Grand Prix. The company was founded by Valerio Colotti in 1958.

Tec-Mec used an improved, lightened version of the Maserati 250F. Improvements were made by Colotti, who had designed the 250F, and financed by Lloyd Casner of Camoradi International. The team made its single outing in the 1959 United States Grand Prix, but the car, driven by Fritz d'Orey lasted a mere six laps before retiring.

Colotti sold the team at the end of the year, but the company continued to produce Formula Junior cars.

Read more: http://www.kosmix.co...c#ixzz162yHhOUq


Kosmix would have better to use a more authorative source for their story. There are glaring chronological errors in that...