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#401 Dave Williamson

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:58

[quote name='Dave Williamson' date='Jun 20 2013, 15:09' post='6320946']

RE: The sentence:

" ...Bira used number 46 in the 1954 French Grand Prix at the Reims-Gueux circuit.[/b
He placed 4th one lap down.

However, in January 1955 Bira used the number [b]1
when he won the NZIGP at Ardmore in 1955...."


It should have read:

Bira used number 46 in the 1954 French Grand Prix at the Reims-Gueux circuit. He placed 4th, one lap down.

However, in January 1955 Bira used the number 1 when he won the NZIGP at Ardmore in 1955.


(Old fingers, driven by slowing brain....)

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#402 David McKinney

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:38

They are of course different cars

In the next race after Rheims Bira's car was crashed by Owen team driver Ron Flockhart. In reparation Owens gave Bira their own 250F, which was repainted (and renumbered) and continued to be raced by him. The original Bira car was then repaired and renumbered by the Owen Organisation and run by them until their new BRMs were ready

#403 Roger Clark

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:50

They are of course different cars

In the next race after Rheims Bira's car was crashed by Owen team driver Ron Flockhart. In reparation Owens gave Bira their own 250F, which was repainted (and renumbered) and continued to be raced by him. The original Bira car was then repaired and renumbered by the Owen Organisation and run by them until their new BRMs were ready

The next championship race...

#404 David McKinney

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 18:26

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From the HGPCA test day at Silverstone earlier this year does any one know which one it is ?

I should have made clear in my first response (post 393) that the car is identified today as 2526, which it has been since 1958, and not the original 2526, which was one of the 'Monza offset' cars. The car pictured carried a variety of IDs before 1958, notably 2522, when it won the 1956 Monaco GP with S Moss

#405 Slurp1955

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 13:35

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As I don't (yet) have David's book, any info on the above would be very welcome, taken at Goodwood FOS 2000, cheers JohnP
 



#406 David McKinney

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 16:40

I can't answer that without threat of legal action :)

#407 Slurp1955

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 17:30

I can't answer that without threat of legal action :)

 

Thanks David, the third of the two Streamliners ! It looks of similar vintage to the 3200GT I was tooling around Belfast in 2000 JohnP

 

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#408 Lola5000

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 00:51

Do the Cameron Miller cars,run in the historic meetings in the UK and Europe?



#409 David McKinney

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:16

The early ones, yes. By CM9 it was decided that this car and the last built, CM10, had too few original parts to be considered genuine replicas, if you see what I mean. Having said that, your Clive Smith did race at Goodwood one year in CM10

#410 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 15:04

They are of course different cars

In the next race after Rheims Bira's car was crashed by Owen team driver Ron Flockhart. In reparation Owens gave Bira their own 250F, which was repainted (and renumbered) and continued to be raced by him. The original Bira car was then repaired and renumbered by the Owen Organisation and run by them until their new BRMs were ready

Ron rolled the car along the earth safety bank right in front of us at Copse Corner and it was a great  relief to see him get up from where he landed, giving us a rueful smile as he made his way back to the Pits probably wondering what he was going to say to Bira.



#411 arttidesco

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 20:33

Cholmondeley Pageant of Power - 16th June 2013
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Rob Hall driving Nick Mason's #2530
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Rick Hall with Ian Duncan's #CM2

 

I'm sorting through some 250F pics I took last year including of the two cars in the much better photo's by Alan above at the same event and I have two questions.

 

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Does Nick Mason have more than one 250F, I thought his 250 F was #2532 (Fangio's '58 Reims GP car ?) as seen above at Castle Combe in October ?

 

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Second I keep coming across CM numbers like CM2 in connection with Ian Duncans car, CM5 in connection with Klaus Lehrs car (#2533 ?) seen above and

 

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CM7 in connection Gerry Hanns car driven by Allan Miles above.

 

Where do these CM numbers come from and can any one enlighten me as to the correct four figure chassis numbers for Ian Duncans CM2 and Gerry Hanns CM7 ?

 

Thanking you in anticipation of your responses.

 

Relevant answers maybe credited and used in forthcoming blogs.



#412 Barry Boor

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 20:36

Step forward Mr. McKinney.



#413 David McKinney

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 22:14

To explain all this would take a book

In fact try http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/1861265689

#414 Barry Boor

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 22:52

:lol:



#415 Tuboscocca

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 22:59

To explain all this would take a book

In fact try http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/1861265689

David, may I ask you: what do YOU think of the new Haynes manual on the 250 F??

 

Best regards Michael, and of course I have your book too...


Edited by Tuboscocca, 08 February 2014 - 23:00.


#416 john winfield

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 23:06

..and here's the best offer that I can find, £16.95 including p&p.  I don't know the seller but he seems to have a good reputation, and the book is described as 'delightful', so he must be OK.  :)

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ec303081c


Edited by john winfield, 08 February 2014 - 23:07.


#417 Tuboscocca

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 23:11

..and here's the best offer that I can find, £16.95 including p&p.  I don't know the seller but he seems to have a good reputation, and the book is described as 'delightful', so he must be OK.  :)

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ec303081c

Or slightly more expensive here, in the used section:

 

http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/1861265689

 

Michael


Edited by Tuboscocca, 08 February 2014 - 23:15.


#418 Allan Lupton

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 23:23


Where do these CM numbers come from and can any one enlighten me as to the correct four figure chassis numbers for Ian Duncans CM2 and Gerry Hanns CM7 ?

Dear boy, how can you get this far in this forum (5500+ posts) without knowing about the late Cameron Millar and his continuation (if that's the right word for modern folk) cars?

 

If you're too mean to buy a book as recommended, search the forum for Cameron's name.

 

As for using it in the bog as your sign-off says, that's up to you



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:07

To explain all this would take a book

In fact try http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/1861265689

 

:up:

 

 

..and here's the best offer that I can find, £16.95 including p&p.  I don't know the seller but he seems to have a good reputation, and the book is described as 'delightful', so he must be OK.  :)

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ec303081c

 

:cool:

 

Dear boy, how can you get this far in this forum (5500+ posts) without knowing about the late Cameron Millar and his continuation (if that's the right word for modern folk) cars?

 

If you're too mean to buy a book as recommended, search the forum for Cameron's name.

 

As for using it in the bog as your sign-off says, that's up to you

 

Good grief really 5,500+ posts thanks to every body who has responded to them :up:

 

Until Goodwood 2009 I had not even taken a photo of a 250F :blush:

 

Thanks for the Cameron Millar tip :smoking:



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#420 David McKinney

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:41

David, may I ask you: what do YOU think of the new Haynes manual on the 250 F??
 
Best regards Michael, and of course I have your book too...

From what I've seen of it,I think the new Haynes manual is excellent. I haven't finished reading it yet, but it seems to do exactly what it says on the tin (though I have noticed a couple of errors with chassis numbers...)

#421 Alan Cox

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:02

 

Until Goodwood 2009 I had not even taken a photo of a 250F :blush:

Nurse, bring me the smelling salts!

 

As folk above have suggested, Ralph, you really do need a copy of Mr McK's book for the most lucid and easily understandable account of 250F chassis numbers, details of which were amassed over a lifetime of observing the cars.



#422 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:13

Don't worry, Ralph, you can borrow mine.    ;)



#423 Tuboscocca

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:51

From what I've seen of it,I think the new Haynes manual is excellent. I haven't finished reading it yet, but it seems to do exactly what it says on the tin (though I have noticed a couple of errors with chassis numbers...)

David -thanks!! Especially the new (for me) photos and the 'maintenance advises' are strong points...But we have all 250F books-- anyway..

 

Michael



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 17:50

Don't worry, Ralph, you can borrow mine.    ;)

Thanks for the offer Barry, Tim has kindly lent me his  :up: 



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:18

In memory of David McKinney, motor sport historian extraordinaire and a great friend of TNF - 1945-2014

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In his element - talking 250F with Nigel Corner, Monaco 2000


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 18:08

Wow, very sad loss :(



#427 JoBo

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 18:41

In memory of David McKinney, motor sport historian extraordinaire and a great friend of TNF - 1945-2014

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In his element - talking 250F with Nigel Corner, Monaco 2000

 

David,

we unfortunately never met but your knowledge was always an inspiration for me.

 

Riposare in pace il mio amico.

 

JoBo