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#1 piperp2

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 11:47

I found this old B/W picture recently, does anyone know where and when and any other information?

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#2 glyn parham

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 12:02

It is definitely taken at Brands Hatch in 1962-1964 (because of the Ford Corsair in the background) but I am not sure if that is a field of Formula Junior cars or F2.

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#3 kayemod

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 12:10

Definitely Brands, but that Corsair makes it somewhere after 64, they didn't hit the streets until early that year, and Ford kept making them until 1970.


Edited by kayemod, 19 November 2010 - 15:50.


#4 David Beard

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 13:07

Definitely Brands,


Are you sure?

Edited by David Beard, 19 November 2010 - 13:08.


#5 Gary C

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 13:12

Yes, I'm not so sure it's Brands either...........................

#6 glyn parham

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 13:18

Thats the old ambulance gate on Kidney straight in the background with marshals post just before it. The photo appeares to be taken from the old main stand and the Shell tower was just in front of the start and finish line.

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#7 Roger Clark

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 13:32

It looks rather wintery, so perhaps a Boxing Day meeting. I suspect 1963; the Corsair was introduced at the London Motor Show that year so it would make sense for one to be in a prominent position.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:01

Isn't the depth of field deceptive in that the Bottom Straight is so close to the start line? Or is that just my thought? Or was the straight re-aligned at some point?

Or is it just my memory playing tricks?

#9 Alan Cox

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:17

If it is Boxing Day 1963, it would be the Silver City Trophy, which included largely FJ cars, but a couple of new F3 cars for 1964 as well as John Ewer's Cooper-Chev which non-started. We are probably looking at about row 3, and if it is that race, the cars pictured would be: No 6 John Mastin/Lotus, but the windscreen shape looks more Cooper, in which case it could be no 16, Mike Budge/Cooper. No 17 Gerry Meharey/Cooper, No 5 John Mew/Lotus, No 9 Jacques Maglia/Lotus.

#10 ZOOOM

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:20

To my practised eye.... It's raining, so it must be someplace in England....

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#11 Peter Darley

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:30

Isn't the depth of field deceptive in that the Bottom Straight is so close to the start line? Or is that just my thought? Or was the straight re-aligned at some point?

Or is it just my memory playing tricks?


Would suggest the photo was taken with a medium telephoto lens given depth of field.

The guy with the wellies, hands in pocket, and light coloured trousers,centre left, , is the late Michael Cooper, Photographer.



#12 Peter Darley

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:30

Isn't the depth of field deceptive in that the Bottom Straight is so close to the start line? Or is that just my thought? Or was the straight re-aligned at some point?

Or is it just my memory playing tricks?


Would suggest the photo was taken with a medium telephoto lens given depth of field.

The guy with the wellies, hands in pocket, and light coloured trousers,centre left, , is the late Michael Cooper, Photographer.



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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:36

Thats the old ambulance gate on Kidney straight in the background with marshals post just before it. The photo appeares to be taken from the old main stand and the Shell tower was just in front of the start and finish line.

Glyn

If it was the Boxing day meeting , I would probably have been amongst the spectators shown and would be racing on a very short circuit using that road off the back straight a few years later.


#14 Paul Parker

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 14:51

Would suggest the photo was taken with a medium telephoto lens given depth of field.

The guy with the wellies, hands in pocket, and light coloured trousers,centre left, , is the late Michael Cooper, Photographer.


Beat me to it.

#15 LittleChris

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 20:22

Isn't the depth of field deceptive in that the Bottom Straight is so close to the start line? Or is that just my thought? Or was the straight re-aligned at some point?

Or is it just my memory playing tricks?



Bottom Straight was realigned and renamed Cooper Straight in 1976 at the same time Paddock Hill Bend was tightened and a new pit complex built ( the main reason I believe for realigning Bottom Straight )

#16 MCS

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 21:48

Bottom Straight was realigned and renamed Cooper Straight in 1976 at the same time Paddock Hill Bend was tightened and a new pit complex built ( the main reason I believe for realigning Bottom Straight )


Ah hah. I knew that that was the case of course... :rolleyes:

Thanks Chris!


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Posted 06 July 2011 - 20:48

If it is Boxing Day 1963, it would be the Silver City Trophy, which included largely FJ cars, but a couple of new F3 cars for 1964 as well as John Ewer's Cooper-Chev which non-started. We are probably looking at about row 3, and if it is that race, the cars pictured would be: No 6 John Mastin/Lotus, but the windscreen shape looks more Cooper, in which case it could be no 16, Mike Budge/Cooper. No 17 Gerry Meharey/Cooper, No 5 John Mew/Lotus, No 9 Jacques Maglia/Lotus.

The No 9 car is definately Jacques Maglia. The reason I am absolutly certain of this because the person he's talking to was my father Jeff Elmes who was his mechanic from approx 1960 to 65-66 when Jacqes had a very bad crash (at silverstone I belive0 .As a seven year old I can remember him having his (left?) arm in a brace.


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Posted 07 July 2011 - 12:10

If it is Boxing Day 1963, it would be the Silver City Trophy, which included largely FJ cars, but a couple of new F3 cars for 1964 as well as John Ewer's Cooper-Chev which non-started. We are probably looking at about row 3, and if it is that race, the cars pictured would be: No 6 John Mastin/Lotus, but the windscreen shape looks more Cooper, in which case it could be no 16, Mike Budge/Cooper. No 17 Gerry Meharey/Cooper, No 5 John Mew/Lotus, No 9 Jacques Maglia/Lotus.

That all seems to tie up Alan. The only thing is,assuming all cars are in position, it looks like a 3-2-3 grid line-up. I have had a glance at some old Brands programmes and it would seem that up until early 1964 a 4-3-4 system was used. I have the programme for the Easter Monday '64 event and a 4-3-4 line-up was still in use. However, later in that same season 3-2-3 was being used.

Does the 1963 Boxing Day programme have the boxes for filling in the grid line-up, and, if so, what pattern was used that day?