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#1 lanciaman

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 15:13

I apologize to all of you for the American version of "Top Gear," which recently rolled out on our History channel. It is hosted by three young oafs who demonstrate neither wit, style nor automotive acumen. It simply doesn't work: it is as Jeremy would say, "rubbish."

How can something so good Over There go so badly wrong Over Here? We regret that the Ford Taurus was rebadged as a Jaguar, but this crapshow is beyond the pale.

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#2 kayemod

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 15:33

How can something so good Over There go so badly wrong Over Here?


I suspect that a good few on TNF would want to argue about the first part of that question.


#3 David McKinney

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 15:36

http://www.dailymail...nimpressed.html

#4 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 15:39

Since Top Gear turned from being an informative motoring magazine programme into a D-list "celeb" show I have only ever seen it by accident. I found it to be presented by three aging oafs who demonstrate neither wit, style nor automotive acumen. :well:

#5 petestenning

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 15:46

Same as Elan says here used to watch it when it means something , but now i find other things do when its on .

#6 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 16:04

Tanner Foust didn't exactly impress in the Race of Champions either!

#7 kayemod

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 16:35

http://www.dailymail...nimpressed.html

'I don't see why you'd want a group of sort of bad-teethed Brits coming and telling you about your own car culture.'


I've never understood this unhealthy US obsession with our teeth, haven't any of them seen Deliverance ?

#8 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 16:41

I've never understood this unhealthy US obsession with our teeth, haven't any of them seen Deliverance ?



Dang my britches Rob, if'n y'all aint got a good point thar!  ;)

#9 RStock

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 17:12

I've never understood this unhealthy US obsession with our teeth, haven't any of them seen Deliverance ?


True. When that guy said "You got a purty mouth", he wasn't refering to teeth.

#10 BRG

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 17:49

I apologize to all of you for the American version of "Top Gear," which recently rolled out on our History channel.

And on behalf of the UK, I apologize for X-Factor, Simon Cowell, Strictly Dancing with the Stars and the rest of the televisual dross that we have inflicted on our innocent American cousins.

But thanks for the Big Bang Theory which I find endlessly amusing.

Edited by BRG, 28 November 2010 - 17:49.


#11 Allan Lupton

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 18:04

Since Top Gear turned from being an informative motoring magazine programme into a D-list "celeb" show I have only ever seen it by accident. I found it to be presented by three aging oafs who demonstrate neither wit, style nor automotive acumen. :well:

Spot on!
In its previous incarnation I remember they hired someone we'd never heard of called Clarkson whose stock in trade was a very strange turn of simile and not a lot else - certainly no technical understanding, unlike the others. I hoped it wouldn't last, but in fact everybody and everything that was good about the show went away and the dross/pointlessness remained.

Particularly irritating as it's BBC and therefore licence-payers' money, not advertisers' and it is the only (so-called) motoring programme they have. It's as if the only art programme were "Sister Wendy" when there are people like Tim Marlow or Brian Sewell about - come to that Brian Sewell could front a good motoring programme, and almost did so a couple of years ago!

Edited by Allan Lupton, 28 November 2010 - 18:14.


#12 kayemod

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 18:12

In its previous incarnation I remember they hired someone we'd never heard of called Clarkson whose stock in trade was a very strange turn of simile and not a lot else - certainly no technical understanding, unlike the others.


Surely you can't be referring to Chris "Now let's see what she'll do!" Goffey?


#13 Allan Lupton

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 18:17

Surely you can't be referring to Chris "Now let's see what she'll do!" Goffey?

At least his use of language was conventional!
I had Tiff Needell and Quentin Willson in mind - not perfect, but pretty straightforward.

#14 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 18:25

Don't forget Tony Mason. Top bloke, knew what he was talking about and was not afraid to laugh at himself, rather than at others. :)

#15 Jim Thurman

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 18:35

I apologize to all of you for the American version of "Top Gear," which recently rolled out on our History channel. It is hosted by three young oafs who demonstrate neither wit, style nor automotive acumen. It simply doesn't work: it is as Jeremy would say, "rubbish."

How can something so good Over There go so badly wrong Over Here? We regret that the Ford Taurus was rebadged as a Jaguar, but this crapshow is beyond the pale.

Ummm, are you aware that BBC Worldwide Productions is the one producing the American "Top Gear"? And from what I understand, they are heavily hands on about it.

They should be apologizing to us ;)

#16 BRG

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 20:14

Surely you can't be referring to Chris "Now let's see what she'll do!" Goffey?

Or William Woollard. Preserve us from the woolie pullie boys. Give me Jezza, the Hamster and May any day. At least they have a sense of humour.

#17 David McKinney

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 20:30

You guys are forgetting that Top Gear ceased to be a motoring programme long ago

It's entertainment

But whereas I used to watch TG until shortly after Clarkson joined, I seek out other programmes if I'm looking for entertainment

#18 MCS

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 20:40

I can well remember the last time I decided to sit down and watch the "old" show - some years ago. It's subsequently turned into something else entirely since then of course and appears to be on some channel or other all day long in the UK, so I am aware of what it looks like nowadays.

But it was co-hosted by some woman called Kate Humble (now a wildlife "authority" on the BBC) who was struggling to come to terms with what opposite lock was and how you could actually do "something like that" through corners... :mad: :mad: :mad:

#19 kayemod

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 20:48

But it was co-hosted by some woman called Kate Humble (now a wildlife "authority" on the BBC).


Equally irritating on that show (my wife watches anything with woodland creatures in it it), she makes Davina McCall seem shy and retiring.

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#20 Tim Murray

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 20:57

I do prefer her to grumpy old Bill Oddie, though.

#21 Marticelli

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:23

My own personal fantasy would be to do a test drive of a car that Clarkson built and belittle his efforts the way he does of perfectly decent engineers who manage to build even modestly priced every day cars that give spectacularly good performance for the money... But then Clarkson couldn't build a car, so the whole idea is fantasy!!

And they also wrecked quite a few classics by being loutish... Do I not recall a D type that was trashed doing donuts or similar??

Marticelli

#22 Paul Parker

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:34

My own personal fantasy would be to do a test drive of a car that Clarkson built and belittle his efforts the way he does of perfectly decent engineers who manage to build even modestly priced every day cars that give spectacularly good performance for the money... But then Clarkson couldn't build a car, so the whole idea is fantasy!!

And they also wrecked quite a few classics by being loutish... Do I not recall a D type that was trashed doing donuts or similar??

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The 1953 Le Mans winning C type owned by Adrian Hamilton, son of Duncan Hamilton.

#23 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:37

Ref: Kate Humble (if ever someone was wrongly named, etc. Did she not first get her curly mop on our screens simply because her Dad was something big with the BBC?). Actually that bit was not a quote, I inserted it.
Equally irritating on that show (my wife watches anything with woodland creatures in it it), she makes Davina McCall seem shy and retiring.


My Mrs has been counting how many time this person says "appppppsolutely" in each programme, when she really means "yes". iirc the record stands at 36. Should this thread now be a sub-thread of DCN's Blood Pressure thread? :rolleyes:

#24 Marticelli

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:40

Should this thread now be a sub-thread of DCN's Blood Pressure thread? :rolleyes:


Appppppsolutely...!

#25 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:44

My own personal fantasy would be to do a test drive of a car that Clarkson built and belittle his efforts the way he does of perfectly decent engineers who manage to build even modestly priced every day cars that give spectacularly good performance for the money... But then Clarkson couldn't build a car, so the whole idea is fantasy!!

And they also wrecked quite a few classics by being loutish... Do I not recall a D type that was trashed doing donuts or similar??

Marticelli


He deliberately broke part of the interior of a Bentley Continental GT and then complained when the brakes gave up after repeated emergency stops from whatever v-max he got it up to on Dunsfold runway. As if that was part of the design spec. The factory will not now supply cars for him to "test". ****.

Fortunately this was an engineering car, so was destined for scrap anyway but he cut short the useful life of many components.

#26 Tim Murray

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 21:46

The 1953 Le Mans winning C type owned by Adrian Hamilton, son of Duncan Hamilton.

The incident was discussed in this thread at the time. It's well worth reading just for Doug Nye's post 17 about Top Gear and Clarkson in particular.

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 22:05

If they made TV programmes to suit only the taste of TNFers, it would be pulled after 2 weeks having only garnered about 5,000 viewers. Television is a mass medium, and Top Gear is one of the most popular programmes in the world. It takes the piss out of the so far up their own arses that they can't allow others to hold contrary opinions. It has blown wide open the Toyota Prius con, exposed the disasterous environmental consequences of the nickel mining involved in producing them - Has watchdog? Has Panorama? Has anybody else? No. Like it or not, the programme is very sucessful, and sucessful programmes keep TV companies in business.

Qui custodiet.

#28 Sharman

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 22:05

"....and the old lost threads wheel back again back in the velvet blue" For f---s sake don't start all this drivel again.

Edited by Sharman, 28 November 2010 - 22:06.


#29 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 22:45

Qui custodiet.


Kiam oni restas, oni baldau trovas amikojn.



#30 Allan Lupton

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 22:54

You guys are forgetting that Top Gear ceased to be a motoring programme long ago
Yes, we know that, but the BBC thinks it is, so doesn't provide one
It's entertainment
Not it's not - that's what we complain about. It's not even entertaining
But whereas I used to watch TG until shortly after Clarkson joined, I seek out other programmes if I'm looking for entertainment
My point exactly



#31 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 23:12

I enjoy BBCs Top Gear, probably because we in the States haven't become as jaded about it as those who have been watching it since inception.

That thing called Top Gear on what...the History Channel or something?...is the most repulsive thing I've seen that alleges to have something to do with cars. I can't think of a single good thing to say about it except that I don't have to watch it. And so, I never again will. It has already tobbed me of an hour of my rapidly shortening lifespan.

#32 elansprint72

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 23:16

Allan,
Certain folks are not keeping up; perhaps best if we just let this one slip away? :|

#33 Cstonerfan

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 00:27

You think USA TG is bad try the Australian version.

#34 Quixotic

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 00:30

You think USA TG is bad try the Australian version.




Shudder............ Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yeah....... The Aussie one is terrible.

#35 Frank S

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 01:33

My television receiver is allergic to most "entertainment" programs, so I haven't seen Top Gun - uh, Gear - the program. My exposure is limited to a couple of You Tube reprises recommended in an off-center newsgroup. In both "track tests" presented, the talkers misrepresented what was seen on-screen, mis-identified at least one of the cars they were showing, and seemed quite similar to those PBS car specialists Click and Clack, in that they amused themselves a great deal more than they amused me. I don't see the point, or any use for them; probably a shortcoming on my part, eh?

I sort of resent having an apology issued on my behalf, so I opt out of the class suit. Thanks anyway. Y'all who stay included deserve what you get, as do those who watch the program.

In case it is of any value, I happen to be close to someone whose workplace is contiguous with the American Top Gear "secret test site", if indeed it is/was secret. I could be persuaded to divulge the location, and tell a couple stories about it. On second thought, never mind. This is my last moment with Top Gear, here or otherwhere. In the words of the Bard: " 'nuff said".

Cheers!


#36 Jim Thurman

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:31

In case it is of any value, I happen to be close to someone whose workplace is contiguous with the American Top Gear "secret test site", if indeed it is/was secret. I could be persuaded to divulge the location, and tell a couple stories about it.

What's so secret about the former site of the El Toro Naval Air Station? ;)


#37 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:36

I sort of resent having an apology issued on my behalf,

Me too, I'll decide what I apologise for, thank you very much.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 08:28

Is the TG comic still going ?

It would be first for the chop in the next round of savage cuts at the BBC if I was in charge, how can anyone be paid to present a motoring programme who can't drive a Reliant Reliant round corners without rolling it ?

#39 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 08:46

And that's why you aren't in charge. It gets very high audience figures and is a nice earner for BBC Worldwide.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 09:07

And that's why you aren't in charge. It gets very high audience figures and is a nice earner for BBC Worldwide.


It is sad to think that each one of those who make up the "very high audience figures" can cast exactly the same number of votes as any TNF member. Dumbing down of the electorate?

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 09:17

And that's why you aren't in charge. It gets very high audience figures and is a nice earner for BBC Worldwide.


And I bet you watch it every week, cakeface.

Or do you? Never been sure which side you are on, if any - although we do know that you are a Haymarket employee.

Fifth columnist perhaps? Doubtful.

Something else? Definitely.

Edited by MCS, 29 November 2010 - 09:17.


#42 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:37

Am I known for wearing a lot of makeup?


I do watch it, though I'm not sure why. I'm not interested in cars, find Richard Hamond annoying, and disagree with Clarkson on pretty much everything. Though it is a very well made program and Clarkson does amuse me at times.

I am not a Haymarket employee. I was freelance for a time, but no longer. And Top Gear isn't made by Haymarket, they don't even do their magazine.

So I don't have anyone to defend really, and my comment wasn't intended to be as nasty as it may have come across. It was to point out that rule number one of TV is ratings. Ratings ratings ratings. So if it achieves that AND makes money, why would you get rid of it? Fundamentally it's not a program aimed at this demographic. And no I wouldn't rate a TNF vote any higher than any other. Because a vote is just a legal statement of opinion, it is neither wrong nor right.

#43 MCS

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 11:31

Interesting response. I have sent you a PM, you will doubtless be thrilled to know.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 13:14

The attempt to launch and fly a Reliant Robin was a brilliant piece of television, and I for one was disappointed when one of the explosive bolts failed to trigger and release the car.

#45 Allan Lupton

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 13:22

It was to point out that rule number one of TV is ratings. Ratings ratings ratings.

We used to feel that the BBC need not be as ratings-driven as those channels that depend on advertising, but the BBC heirarchy does not agree. A lot of the point of public service TV and many good programmes, is/are missed by their ratings-driven attitude.


#46 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 13:34

I'd agree with that. They certainly have enough channels to offer something for everyone. Or at least not mimic what's on other networks.

#47 Bloggsworth

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 13:45

The really good stuff is on BBC4 nowadays. Wonderful programme 2 weeks ago on Keith Douglass - Battlefield Poet, and last week there was a programme on Norman MacCaig with Billy Connolly and the world's best fiddler, Aly Bain, carrying out a fishing expedition in his memory. Some fantastic programmes running about ancient Greece, the Scottish Sessions are currently running, and with any luck we'll soon have another series of The Transatlantic Sessions, where-in the best folk musicians from Scotland, Ireland and the US are housed in a remote Scottish house/hotel for a month and just told to play whatever they feel like - the best music programme I have ever watched; wonderful variety, amazing musicianship, a sheer joy from begining to end.

#48 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 14:04

Agreed on BBC4 - it's what BBC2 and C4 were before they dumbed down, although if you have Sky and like Celtic folk keep an eye on BBC Alba. Not really my bag, but I've caught the odd performance that I've enjoyed on there

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 16:14

I've never understood this unhealthy US obsession with our teeth, haven't any of them seen Deliverance ?


:drunk:



#50 Tony Matthews

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 17:16

It would be first for the chop in the next round of savage cuts at the BBC if I was in charge, how can anyone be paid to present a motoring programme who can't drive a Reliant Reliant round corners without rolling it ?

The point is that the Reliant Robin sequence was funnier, and cleverer (more clever) than any 'comedy' programme put out by the BBC in that month, or since, judging by what crap I've been forced to switch off. I still smile when I think about it.