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#1 kartman24

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 16:43

As a lad as a birthday treat our family went to silverstone in 1972 to watch the Interserie 200, a race for the `big banger` sportscars of the day. These included Can-Am Maclarens, Porsche 917/10`s, Lola T70`s, BRM P152`s and Willie Green in the Bamford Ferrari 512M. The event was run over two races with the overall result being a combination of the two. I think from memory the first race was wet and Green in the Ferrari drove the comparitivly underpowered car to a great finish, the second race was dry and the 1000+ bhp of the Porsches left the rest trailing. Somewhere in the loft i still have the programme, does anyone have any memories or pictures from the event or the one held the year after?...........Martin

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#2 alansart

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 16:51

As a lad as a birthday treat our family went to silverstone in 1972 to watch the Interserie 200, a race for the `big banger` sportscars of the day. These included Can-Am Maclarens, Porsche 917/10`s, Lola T70`s, BRM P152`s and Willie Green in the Bamford Ferrari 512M. The event was run over two races with the overall result being a combination of the two. I think from memory the first race was wet and Green in the Ferrari drove the comparitivly underpowered car to a great finish, the second race was dry and the 1000+ bhp of the Porsches left the rest trailing. Somewhere in the loft i still have the programme, does anyone have any memories or pictures from the event or the one held the year after?...........Martin


Willie Green was stunning in the wet. In a class of his own.

I remember the first time I saw, and heard, the Turbo Porsche's. Very little sound and they came flying past with a whoosh!

Willie Kausen watches his Porsches engine being warmed up in 1974.

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The late John Jordan's McLaren. A regular in Silverstone clubbie' as well :)

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#3 pete53

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:23

Hi Martin, you may be interested to see this link which gives the results of the Interserie events in the 70s, including the Silverstone races in 72,73,74.

http://www.racingspo...Interserie.html

Interserie was a sort of European Can-Am, and in the early days did attract some impressive big-engined machinery of the sort seen in Can-Am races. However, a look at the website above shows that by the end of the 70s entries had declined and races were populated by ageing 2/3 litre sports cars, with races increasingly confined to Germany. I have to admit that I had forgotten that the series continued for a long as it did, but that is probably because by its end it had ceased to be of much significance.
Pete


#4 alansart

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 17:32

Heat results here: http://www.wspr-raci...erie1972.html#3

It was an interesting series but didn't have the clout of Can Am.

#5 taylov

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:07

The Interserie cars raced 12 times in England between 1970 and 1996

Croft 11/7/70 Jock Leith Trophy
Thruxton 20/9/70 Yellow Pages Sports Car race
Silverstone 21/5/72 Super Sports 200
Silverstone 20/5/73 Martini International
Silverstone 12/5/74 Martini International
Thruxton 31/3/86 Townsend Thoresen Interserie Coupe d’Europe
Brands Hatch 22/7/90 Interserie Cup
Brands Hatch 28/7/91 Interserie Coupe
Brands Hatch 26/7/92 TOA Trophy
Donington 26/9/93 Interserie Coupe
Donington 8/10/95 Interserie Coupe
Brands Hatch 8/4/96 Interserie Cup

The Interserie cars were due to return in 1998 with a race at Snetterton on 5 July. Considerable investment had been made at the Norfolk circuit in order to host this FIA sanctioned event. However as only 5 cars had started the first round at Most at the end of May, the event was cancelled.

Tony

Edited by taylov, 07 December 2010 - 18:08.


#6 kartman24

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:35

Many thanks for the replies, it was 1972 we went looking at the results. I have posted before about Ian Richardsons Mclaren Special which was entered, i remember him racing it at Silverstone in some of the `Chandy` sponsored events, it was dark metallic blue with gold pinstripping if i remember correctly and as a young lad i was really impressed by the whistling noise it made coming down the back straight of the club circuit into woodcote. Does anyone know any of the history of the car and where it went after Ian had sold it. I seem to remember it had bodywork that looked like an M1C..............Martin

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 18:57

The year after Willie Greens showing in the 512 , i believe there was another 512 driven by if my memory is correct Kox Cocker ? [SPELLING] and Herbert Muller ? along with the club favorites, the Led Zepplin Mclaren of Kaye Griffiths ? and John Jordan and Ian Richardson possibly.

#8 alansart

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 19:33

Does anyone know any of the history of the car and where it went after Ian had sold it. I seem to remember it had bodywork that looked like an M1C..............Martin


He used a lot of it in his Chevrolet Corvair Supersaloon.


#9 Rob Ryder

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 19:53

Apologies for the quality of these photos but weather and lack of skill are my excuse.
Martin, I hope they bring back a few memories of a dry/wet/dry Silverstone all of those years ago.

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Posted Image Leo Kinnunen : Porsche 917-10

Posted Image Georg Loos : McLaren M8F

Posted Image Howden Ganley : BRM P167 & Willy Kauhsen : Porsche 917-10

Posted Image Ernst Kraus : Porsche 917 Spyder

Posted Image Siegfried Rieger : McLaren M8E

Posted Image Denis Veyrat: Lola T70 Mk3B Special

Posted Image Hans Wiedmer : McLaren M8E

Posted Image Tony Dean: Porsche 908-2

Posted Image Posted Image David Hepworth : BRM P154

Posted Image Willie Green : Ferrari 512M

Rob

Edited by Rob Ryder, 07 December 2010 - 21:03.


#10 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:31

Here's a few from Silverstone in 74
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Motor Museum owner Richard Pilkington's Alfa T33

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Helmut Kelleners ex Hulme, McLaren M20

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Willie Kauhsen's 917-20

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John Jordan's McLaren M8

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Herbie Muller's Porsche 917-30 (wasn't this a test 'hack' of some kind, bridgeing the gap between '10' and '30' versions?)

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Alain DeCadenet's 'Duckhams Special' ...without the livery

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:36

Apologies for the quality of these photos but weather and lack of skill are my excuse.
I hope they bring back a few memories of a dry/wet/dry Silverstone all of tyhose years ago.

Posted Image Willie Green : Ferrari 512M

Rob


Fabulous pics Rob :love:

Does anyone know if Willie Green was driving the same ex Escuderia Montjuich Ferrari 512M #1002 that Robert Horne and Derek Bell set some UK speed records with in the late 70's ?

Edited by arttidesco, 07 December 2010 - 20:39.


#12 john winfield

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:42

The year after Willie Greens showing in the 512 , i believe there was another 512 driven by if my memory is correct Kox Cocker ? [SPELLING] and Herbert Muller ? along with the club favorites, the Led Zepplin Mclaren of Kaye Griffiths ? and John Jordan and Ian Richardson possibly.

The Kaye Griffiths McLaren was quite a sight, wasn't it? I believe he had the ex- Teddy Pilette car and, as far as I know, this M8E is owned still by the Moritz family in America. Here's a link and, part way down, you can click on the car's history.

http://www.moritzmot...0729/index.html

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 20:49

The BRM P154 is still racing in historics , whatever happend to the P167? Also were there more than one P154, i read somewhere that one was lost at sea!!!!!!!...........Martin

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:03

That T70 MK3B special looks like a hybrid T260.

#15 Giraffe

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:05

The BRM P154 is still racing in historics , whatever happend to the P167? Also were there more than one P154, i read somewhere that one was lost at sea!!!!!!!...........Martin


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http://www.hepworthi...m/about-us.html


#16 kartman24

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 21:25

Ok, following a bit of investigating i found this on the BRM`s on another thread............


`The car for sale is the Kalisch car and has been rebuilt after a considerable accident, it is also the car that Mike Wheatly, Mike Wilds and George Eaton drove. It is NOT however the sole remaining 154 as we still own the remaining 154 the 154/167 and 2 167's ( 4 out of the 5 cars built) that my father bought along with all drawings, paterns, moulds,Engines and spares, when BRM dropped the project.We have informed the agent selling the car of this but it still remains advertised as such, the latest black and white photograph actually shows an original 167.
The 1973 photo of Dad at Silverstone is definatly a genuine 167.
Over the years this car has been modified Mike Wheatly updated the car which was in genuine 154 spec to 154/167 spec with the assistance of my father and some parts supplied by ourselves. Mike did also have a tub "rebuilt" and on last speaking to him in the 90's still had the original panels.
The car then passed to Ulf Bowman in Sweeden who also sourced spares from ourselves, in recent years the current owner has made many modifications from any BRM specification original spec can be verified with the drawings we have.
The myth that one car was lost to the sea is untrue and has been doing the rounds prior to my father passing away, it was however damaged on board a ship travelling to Brazil, and after much negotiation and subsequent costs the car was repatriated from the salvage company.
One of the 167 was also damaged and still remains so after a transporter fire on the M1 in around 1973.
It is our intention to start restoration of the cars along with the other cars from my fathers motorsport life which if someone had the time would make a great book.
It is appreciated that interest is shown in these great cars and My father who was one of motorsports characters in its golden years.
Any one wanting further information drop a line or any other interesting David Hepworth stories.`

So there are more BRM Can Am cars still out there, maybe we will see them out there racing in the future..........Martin

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 22:04

Hi Martin, you may be interested to see this link which gives the results of the Interserie events in the 70s, including the Silverstone races in 72,73,74.

http://www.racingspo...Interserie.html

Interserie was a sort of European Can-Am, and in the early days did attract some impressive big-engined machinery of the sort seen in Can-Am races. However, a look at the website above shows that by the end of the 70s entries had declined and races were populated by ageing 2/3 litre sports cars, with races increasingly confined to Germany. I have to admit that I had forgotten that the series continued for a long as it did, but that is probably because by its end it had ceased to be of much significance.
Pete


http://www.interseri...n...&Itemid=107
http://www.interseri.....elle 2010.pdf

Introduction and final standings of the 2010 Interserie season. Yes, it does exists 40 years on, but now allows open wheeler single seaters amongst the sports cars. I don't know when the open wheelers were allowed, but I think it has been a gradual development, because from at least the mid-1980s single seaters with fenders were allowed.

Jesper

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Posted 07 December 2010 - 23:18

Introduction and final standings of the 2010 Interserie season. Yes, it does exists 40 years on, but now allows open wheeler single seaters amongst the sports cars. I don't know when the open wheelers were allowed, but I think it has been a gradual development, because from at least the mid-1980s single seaters with fenders were allowed.
Jesper


The late 1980s and early 1990s saw the Porsche 962 and derivatives dominate in Interserie. By the mid 1990s ex-Formula One cars running with Can-Am style bodies were the way to go. Footwork and Minardi battled with Penske cars from the Indy formula and the Group C Lola T92 and Jaguar XJR-10.

1998 was the last year of the old Interserie with open wheel racers admitted in 1999.

Tony

Edited by taylov, 07 December 2010 - 23:19.


#19 Allen Brown

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:58

Here's a few from Silverstone in 74


Did you take any of the 2-litre cars at that race? There was a mass of British 2-litre entries: John Lepp, Martin Raymond, Peter Gethin in Chocolate Drop, Robin Smith, Ian Harrower, John Sheldon, John Cole, Peter Smith, Brian Joscelyne, John Gillmeister in the Rawlson, Richard Simms and John Markey in his short-lived Lola-BMW turbo.


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Posted 08 December 2010 - 15:33

Kox Cocker ? [SPELLING]

Hans-Rudolf „Cox“ Kocher (from Switzerland)


#21 Thundersport

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 21:58

Wasn't that the same BRM which had a huge shunt at Clearways Brands in 2008 with the Frenchmen driving?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 23:36

I thought I should add these. The memory of a Can-Am car in the wet at Silverstone..... fantastic.

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and this .. such a great day.
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#23 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 00:37

Did you take any of the 2-litre cars at that race? There was a mass of British 2-litre entries: John Lepp, Martin Raymond, Peter Gethin in Chocolate Drop, Robin Smith, Ian Harrower, John Sheldon, John Cole, Peter Smith, Brian Joscelyne, John Gillmeister in the Rawlson, Richard Simms and John Markey in his short-lived Lola-BMW turbo.


Allen, I do have some I think, I'll have a dig in the files and post any I can locate.

Awesome photos donshut :up:

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 14:37

one more from 74

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#25 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 16:26

Sorry Allen I could only find one - Ian Harrower's Chevron B23 in 1974

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Plus something a little more German. The Porsche (908?) engined KMW

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 18:42

Sorry Allen I could only find one - Ian Harrower's Chevron B23 in 1974

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Thanks Simon.

Do you have the entry list for this race? Even the excellent racingsportscars.com doesn't have it.

#27 alansart

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 18:51

Thanks Simon.

Do you have the entry list for this race? Even the excellent racingsportscars.com doesn't have it.



Results: http://www.wspr-raci...erie1974.html#1

#28 simonlewisbooks

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 20:27

Thanks Simon.

Do you have the entry list for this race? Even the excellent racingsportscars.com doesn't have it.


I'll have a dig around - I don't have one in stock at present but my dad went to this event and his programme should be around somewhere.

#29 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 21:15

Just checked the participaters of the 1972 Silverstone Interseries race and noticed the odd one out: #21 Nick Cussons in a Goodwin Racing Services Aston Martin engined Lola T70 Mk. 3 GT - as described on the Martin Krejci site
http://wsrp.ic.cz/interserie1972.html

The Lola and Aston Martin names has been joined on a few occasions, notably for the ill fated 1967 Le Mans campaign, then the 1982-1984 Nimrod-Aston Martin Group C project and lately the Le Mans P1 car.

My question would be if the Cussons car had any connections with any of the two '67 Lola/Surtess Le Mans-Lolas or if this was another Aston Martin engined inspired project? Oh, and what would a Lola T70 Mk. 3 GT be?

Jesper

Edited by Jesper O. Hansen, 10 December 2010 - 21:23.


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Posted 10 December 2010 - 21:34

I always thought that the Cousins car was one of the ex Le Mans Aston engined cars but i may be mistaken..............Martin

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 21:52

I always thought that the Cousins car was one of the ex Le Mans Aston engined cars but i may be mistaken..............Martin


Quite a relique by 1972, but perhaps no surprise?

Jesper

#32 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 22:05

Chapter and verse on this car from David McKinney in this earlier thread:

Information needed on this Lola-Aston Martin photo please

#33 Jesper O. Hansen

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 13:15

Thank you for the help, Tim.

Jesper

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 14:58

Any photos, please, of the March 707/717 driven by Helmut Kelleners and later by Stefan Sklenar??

I'm restoring a Solido model to Interserie Spec.

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#35 Dan333SP

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 17:18

Excellent photos! I particularly like the 917/30(?) in the Martini livery, almost as sexy as the Penske version of that car...

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 17:45

A few more of my photos from 74. Nothing special I'm afraid. all taken quickly before I headed out on circuit for marshalling duties.

The Helmut Kelleners McLaren M20.
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Emilio Zapico's March 74S.
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The Porsche 917/10 of Ernst Kraus.
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Jeremy Lord's Lola T280 driven by Tim Goss. I think this had a DFV in it.
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Richard Pilkington's Alfa T33/3
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Herbert Müller entered this Ferrari 512M for Cox Kocher, but it didn't start.
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#37 Simon Hadfield

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 19:39

Emilio Zapico's March 74S.
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I think thats the back of the KMW.

Edited by Simon Hadfield, 11 December 2010 - 19:41.


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Posted 11 December 2010 - 20:41

Emilio Zapico's March 74S.
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I think thats the back of the KMW.


Simon, you may be right. I just repeated what I wrote alongside the photo nearly 36 years ago.

Your knowledge of these cars is much better than mine :)