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#201 kayemod

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 20:58

I think that a good writer could work the tragedies and triumphs and dangers of early modern motor racing into an interesting narrative - conflict of desires, conscience, that sort of thing. The fact that Helle-Nice spent a good proportion of her life not quite following the moral code of her time could make this into something quite compelling. Bringing in Violette Morris as a character might work, too.

 

A French director, I feel, would be appropriate.

 

I think you're right, but then we'd expect to have the Eiffel Tower visible in most of the backgrounds. The girl was a bit of a goer in her time, we've seen a few of her "artistic" poses, and threesomes were rumoured among other things, so at the very least it would be PG.



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#202 RogerFrench

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 21:16

Ellay-Neece is how it should sound, I think.


More like Elleh-neece.

#203 Charlieman

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 22:04

I think that a good writer could work the tragedies and triumphs and dangers of early modern motor racing into an interesting narrative - conflict of desires, conscience, that sort of thing. 

 

Miranda Seymour wrote a great book. It's possibly a good film too.

 

But it's about the people, innit? We want to know about Helle and the racers. We can cope if the cars are decent fakes.

 

"The fact that Helle-Nice spent a good proportion of her life not quite following the moral code of her time could make this into something quite compelling."

 

That's a great angle. But we all want to know the background for Chiron's accusations. It is impossible to tell the Helle Nice story without asking a blunt question. Was Helle Nice a quisling, or did Chiron get it wrong?



#204 Michael Ferner

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 22:05

I think you're right, but then we'd expect to have the Eiffel Tower visible in most of the backgrounds. The girl was a bit of a goer in her time, we've seen a few of her "artistic" poses, and threesomes were rumoured among other things, so at the very least it would be PG.


All right, now that we have the rating sorted, who's going to suggest a producer?

#205 LotusElise

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 09:48

 

 

That's a great angle. But we all want to know the background for Chiron's accusations. It is impossible to tell the Helle Nice story without asking a blunt question. Was Helle Nice a quisling, or did Chiron get it wrong?

 

No-one seems to know what their basis was, or it hasn't been widely discussed. The most I've heard is that she couldn't give any convincing accounts of what she actually did during the war. I think Miranda Seymour investigated the German archives, but couldn't find anything there.

 

I do agree that this would have to be a key part of the story, as it was the gateway to her big downfall and possibly to her latter life spent in poverty.



#206 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 10:09

Bit of a punt, but in that regard it should be noted that the wartime archives of the Principality of Monaco are still closed and there are quite a few unanswered questions regarding its experience during WW2.

 

http://stutenzeehist...-world-war.html

 

http://www.theguardi...s-to-nazi-camps

 

For example, I'm intrigued to know how Lucy Schell managed to live there throughout the war, without apparently ever being interned, despite being a US citizen.



#207 D-Type

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 10:46

A quote from the first article "While Louis may appear a collaborator, whatever he did would have been done by any powerless prince to save his stamp sized country caught between super powers."  rather says it all.



#208 LotusElise

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 10:56

Bit of a punt, but in that regard it should be noted that the wartime archives of the Principality of Monaco are still closed and there are quite a few unanswered questions regarding its experience during WW2.

 

http://stutenzeehist...-world-war.html

 

http://www.theguardi...s-to-nazi-camps

 

For example, I'm intrigued to know how Lucy Schell managed to live there throughout the war, without apparently ever being interned, despite being a US citizen.

 

Didn't she travel on an Irish passport?



#209 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 September 2015 - 12:26

Didn't she travel on an Irish passport?

Can't say I'd ever heard that. I think it's unlikely. And when Lucy died her death was reported by the US Consulate as a death of a US citizen overseas. It is actually possible for someone to be a US citizen throughout their life - be born, live and die abroad - without ever setting foot in the United States. I believe Lucy almost falls into that category, since she was born in Paris, lived almost all her life in France and Monaco and died in Monaco, but she did visit the US at least once. I've also traced the journey her son Philip made from France to the United States in 1942 - via Lisbon on a Swedish ship, carrying hundreds of Americans who had been in Europe when war was declared in December 1941, plus several hundred aliens. His US passport had been issued at the consulate in Nice in April 1941, but unless Lucy travelled under an alias she didn't accompany him. Philip's address in the US was given as care of Harris Upham, a New York brokerage firm - he's the only person on the ship's passenger manifest to whom that applies.



#210 Jackie

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 00:53

Helle-Nice.jpg



#211 275 GTB-4

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 09:46

The BEST naked Racing Driver I have ever clapped eyes on :up:



#212 GreenMachine

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 10:35

The BEST naked Racing Driver I have ever clapped eyes on :up:


... and that list is how long?



#213 paulsenna1

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 13:24

We now need to see the Valli Stack Mallory Park Autosport pic. (Purely for comparative purposes of course)



#214 LotusElise

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 13:35

Actually quite interesting from a historical body image point of view. In her time, Helle-Nice was considered Hot Stuff, as she obviously is here, too. Nowadays, she would be considered flat chested and a bit chubby for that kind of photography. Although she isn't fat, she isn't muscular and "toned" like models today (and racing drivers, come to think about it) are expected to be.

 

Despite the nearly 50-year gap, the classically pretty Valli would be considered the same way.



#215 kayemod

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 13:51

Actually quite interesting from a historical body image point of view. In her time, Helle-Nice was considered Hot Stuff, as she obviously is here, too. Nowadays, she would be considered flat chested and a bit chubby for that kind of photography. Although she isn't fat, she isn't muscular and "toned" like models today (and racing drivers, come to think about it) are expected to be.

 

Despite the nearly 50-year gap, the classically pretty Valli would be considered the same way.

 

Looks very good to me, and she clearly hasn't been to Brazil.

 

Were it not for surgically-administered silicone, very many females in the public eye today would be considered "flat-chested". Amazes me that some apparently find the results attractive.

 

PS, I've read the book, so I know all about São Paulo...


Edited by kayemod, 28 September 2015 - 13:55.


#216 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 16:05

Helle-Nice.jpg


Surprised to be first to press the "like" button.....

#217 BRG

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 16:17

Surprised to be first to press the "like" button.....

Is that a euphemism?



#218 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 16:25

Is that a euphemism?


Not necessarily......:)

Edited by Jack-the-Lad, 28 September 2015 - 16:25.


#219 Catalina Park

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 19:42

... and that list is how long?

It's getting longer...

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#220 LotusElise

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 20:11

Does anyone have any naked pictures of Francois Cevert or Dario Franchitti please?  :lol:



#221 kayemod

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 20:37

Does anyone have any naked pictures of Francois Cevert or Dario Franchitti please?  :lol:

 

I've got both those, but I'll swap them for two of you on a nudist beach or in the shower.



#222 kayemod

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 20:38

It's getting longer...

 

...as the bishop said to the actress.



#223 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 20:42

Can't say I'd ever heard that. I think it's unlikely. And when Lucy died her death was reported by the US Consulate as a death of a US citizen overseas. It is actually possible for someone to be a US citizen throughout their life - be born, live and die abroad - without ever setting foot in the United States. I believe Lucy almost falls into that category, since she was born in Paris, lived almost all her life in France and Monaco and died in Monaco, but she did visit the US at least once. I've also traced the journey her son Philip made from France to the United States in 1942 - via Lisbon on a Swedish ship, carrying hundreds of Americans who had been in Europe when war was declared in December 1941, plus several hundred aliens. His US passport had been issued at the consulate in Nice in April 1941, but unless Lucy travelled under an alias she didn't accompany him. Philip's address in the US was given as care of Harris Upham, a New York brokerage firm - he's the only person on the ship's passenger manifest to whom that applies.

And although this is totally O/T in a Helle-Nice thread, I've also found Lucy's 1915 trip to America. She's on the list of US citizens, but with no birthplace shown (if she had been born within the US it would have been recorded as such) and described in the 'naturalised or other' category as 'from American natives'.



#224 Charlieman

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 21:23

And although this is totally O/T in a Helle-Nice thread, I've also found Lucy's 1915 trip to America. She's on the list of US citizens, but with no birthplace shown (if she had been born within the US it would have been recorded as such) and described in the 'naturalised or other' category as 'from American natives'.

Can you explain further? Does it mean that Lucy could not become US President?



#225 Vitesse2

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Posted 28 September 2015 - 21:56

Can you explain further? Does it mean that Lucy could not become US President?

It's just an indication that she was born abroad, but in law still a US citizen, thanks to her parentage. Her mother - who travelled with her - was born in Reading PA and her father was a naturalised US citizen. This is the current legislation, but I've found nothing to indicate that the situation would have been different when Lucy was born: http://travel.state....orn-abroad.html No idea on whether she could have become President though! Harry also travelled on a US passport when he accompanied les deux Renés to Indy in 1940.

 

I can only assume that - having been born in France - Lucy had managed to acquire papers which stated she was a French citizen. From my reading of Monégasque citizenship laws she would have had to live there for at least ten years and be granted it at the discretion of the Prince. She does seem to have had some powerful friends, given that she managed to get Dreyfus and Le Bègue released from the army.



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Posted 29 September 2015 - 20:50

She definitely could not be President of the United States since one of the conditions of eligibility is to be a resident in the country.for fourteen years.