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#901 speedman13

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 21:22

No not Lorraine

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#902 fan27

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:48

Was it a very rapid Italian kart driver, whose name escapes me... I think that she beat all of the top names in karting during the late 70's...

#903 coupekarter

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 14:43

John Winfield has it right.

#904 Michael Ferner

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 15:18

She got rid of her novice plates just 15 months previously yet, at a world championship event, kicked the backside of de Angelis & Bellof, and I reckon would have beaten Prost, Villeneuve & Senna as well...


So... why didn't she?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 15:58

She died in a tragic accident whilst testing at the 1975 World Championships at the age of 16. Her kart left the circuit, she hit a parked car and died from injuries caused by the seat stays.

She can be seen briefly at about 2:20 into this video. I assume that Bob Mills did not know she died just a few months after the clip was filmed.


Edited by Cirrus, 10 June 2013 - 15:59.


#906 Paolo

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 16:06

Since we are making a list, I guess Tamara Vidali should be here too.


#907 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 16:19

This thread was originally about early women racers, but as usual for women racer threads has degenerated into a list of every female racer that can be thought of......so I'll add another! I've looked through all of this thread, but wouldn't have backed any so far mentioned to beat the likes of, Elio de Angelis and Stefan Bellof, but this woman did......... She got rid of her novice plates just 15 months previously yet, at a world championship event, kicked the backside of de Angelis & Bellof, and I reckon would have beaten Prost, Villeneuve & Senna as well...........nah, work it out for yourselves!

I bet not many can name her.

Would that be Lorraine Peck? I have read that she was very talented.

No not Lorraine

Like John I assumed the mystery karter was Lorraine Peck, and was very confused when told it wasn't her. Spent half an hour googling like mad trying to work out which other woman might have competed against de Angelis and Bellof, but no luck, and then ...

John Winfield has it right.

So please, put me out of my misery and tell me who Speedman is referring to??? :confused: :confused:

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 16:49

Like John I assumed the mystery karter was Lorraine Peck, and was very confused when told it wasn't her. Spent half an hour googling like mad trying to work out which other woman might have competed against de Angelis and Bellof, but no luck, and then ...

So please, put me out of my misery and tell me who Speedman is referring to??? :confused: :confused:


I was thinking of Carolynn Grant-Sale - can't speak for Speedman.

#909 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 17:22

I thought Carolynn came a bit later (6th in the 1984 World Championship) but am happy to be proved wrong.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 18:07

Like John I assumed the mystery karter was Lorraine Peck, and was very confused when told it wasn't her. Spent half an hour googling like mad trying to work out which other woman might have competed against de Angelis and Bellof, but no luck, and then ...

So please, put me out of my misery and tell me who Speedman is referring to??? :confused: :confused:


Could it be Suzy (or Susy) Raganelli?


#911 Michael Ferner

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 19:40

She died in a tragic accident whilst testing at the 1975 World Championships at the age of 16. Her kart left the circuit, she hit a parked car and died from injuries caused by the seat stays.

She can be seen briefly at about 2:20 into this video. I assume that Bob Mills did not know she died just a few months after the clip was filmed.


Sorry... didn't know that! :cry:

#912 speedman13

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 21:40

It was Suzy Raganelli.
She is married to ex racing driver Giancarlo Naddeo.

Edited by speedman13, 10 June 2013 - 21:44.


#913 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 21:58

Raganelli won the World Championship in 1966, beating the likes of Ronnie Peterson and Keke Rosberg, and I thought she then moved into car racing. Was she really still competiing some ten years later when de Angelis and Bellof had their karting careers?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 22:17

Tim, you will just have to face it, that half hour is lost forever :cry:


#915 Tim Murray

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 22:21

:rotfl:

(and I really thought there must be another talented female karter I hadn't heard of)

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 00:18

I watched this driver score another impressive second place at the Malaysian Super Series, recently. She now leads the series. This latest round was a one-hour endurance race, which she led in her Radical until swapping over to her father at the compulsory pitstop. Dubbed, the fastest lady driver in Asia, her name is Natasha Nur Ida Adam Seatter. http://www.sepangcir...-forces-dad-cha

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#917 Michael Ferner

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 14:54

She'll have to shorten that a bit in order to have a career...

#918 Tim Murray

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 15:07

I think she already has:

http://en.wikipedia....Natasha_Seatter

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 20:49

Raganelli won the World Championship in 1966, beating the likes of Ronnie Peterson and Keke Rosberg, and I thought she then moved into car racing. Was she really still competiing some ten years later when de Angelis and Bellof had their karting careers?

I recall reading in, I think, a Karting Magazine article, that due to some "political" manouvering, Raganelli had special factory prepared motors that were significantly quicker than everybody else's; the implication being that she did not win the world title by being the best driver!

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#920 fan27

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 14:02

Suzy Raganelli was the one I was thinking of!

#921 LotusElise

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:05

I remember reading about a British female junior kartist called Claire Bogan. She won the British Cadet championship in 1987 against Dan Wheldon, among others. As far as I know, she never made the transition to cars. Does anyone know her?

I rooted this thread out because I have another interesting mystery I'm trying to solve. There was a rally co-driver, "Miss S Hindmarsh", in the 1950s, who sat alongside Nancy Mitchell and Joan Johns, among others, sometimes as part of a three-woman team. She appears to have been linked to BMC. Does anyone have a first name for her, and is she related to Johnny Hindmarsh and Violette Cordery? The date might be just about feasible for a daughter of theirs.

#922 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:15

John and Violet Hindmarsh had a daughter, Sue, who is the widow of the late Roy Salvadori. It seems very likely that this would be her.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 18:50

Marcus Chambers lists Miss Susan Hindmarsh as a BMC driver in the time he was Comps Manager, i.e. 1955-61 (source “Seven Year Twitch”).

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 14:24

It's her then. Thankyou!

I looked up "Sue Hindmarsh" and got loads of Roy Salvadori obituaries, but nothing about her own competition career, which is sadly typical.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 16:00

The only appearance I’ve noticed was on the 1956 Monte in an MG Magnette with Nancy Mitchell and Doreen Reece. Started from Stockholm, finished 59th overall, 3rd in the ladies class.

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:44

Some English and European stock car drivers:

 

1. Tanya Crouch:

 

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2. Jane Bean:

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3. Lisa Harter

 

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4. Hayley Parkinson:

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5. Sabine Rode:

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#927 LotusElise

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 22:26

I'm on the trail of another lady: Lorraine Dubonnet. She was the daughter of Andre Dubonnet, and I've found various bits and pieces referring to her amusing socialite antics, but nothing concrete relating to her racing. She would have been active in the 1950s.

 

A 1991 interview with Paola della Chiesa states that she was one of the leading female drivers of the time. Does anyone have any results for her?



#928 Vitesse2

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 07:26

A few possible leads:

 

Vague mention of her driving an Alfa Romeo here: http://www.forum-aut...sujet379584.htm

 

Even vaguer mention of a Simca (?) 'voiture au record' being tuned by Alfred Barraquet: http://passiontoutau...e-23651871.html There's a long thread on Barraquet on Autodiva, which includes a picture of Barraquet and Pagnibon, together with 'deux jolies femmes' sitting on the bonnet of a rally-plated Simca 8. http://www.autodiva....t=2108&p=209197

 

A 1953 copy of l'Équipe with a photo of her on the front page. I think the car's a Lancia Aurelia: http://www.journaux-...e.php?id=350926



#929 LotusElise

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 21:25

Thanks for the "leads". She did do some record runs at Montlhery, in an Alfa, in 1953. Jean-Francois Bouzanquet's book says she competed in rallies in the 1950s, but offers no further details.

She did drive an Aurelia at about that time, in at least one Italian hillclimb.


Edited by LotusElise, 29 June 2015 - 21:25.


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Posted 13 July 2015 - 20:41

Hi,

I follow this forum for quite a while since I'm looking for a female pilot having run speed trials on Florida beaches at Daytona in the 50's or 60's (Note: speed trails at Daytona stopped in 1959!).

The female drive has a Michigan (Detroit) background and must have been in the mid 30's in those days.

She owned (not necessarily raced) a XK120 OTS, painted in a fleshy colour. The car was nicknamed "Shrimp". The XK 120 was in "standard" configuration (standard windscreen, spats, disc wheels) when sold in1968/1969.

Her husband must have been involved with motosport as well because it is reported that he was having fun with the mechanics in the pits while his wife was on the race track!

Meanwhile I have checked more than 100 female drivers from the North East of the United States who have raced in the 50's and 60's. If somebody is interested I'm ready to share!

e-mail: wolfgang.kurth@advolar.com



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Posted 17 July 2015 - 20:02

There was a Lalah Neuman who raced at Daytona in the late 1950s. She didn't race a Jaguar, but did seem to like British cars.



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Posted 18 July 2015 - 21:56

19530524 COPPA DELLE DAME   -   COMO - LIETO COLLE  : Lorraine Dubonnet / 2nd OA / 1900 TI / 1 in class

19530906 MONTLHERY                                                            :  Lorraine Dubonnet / 50 km with standing start - average speed: 175,07 km/h

19530913 TOUR DE FRANCE                                                   : André Dubonnet (grandson)-Lorraine Dubonnet (daughter) / 3d OA / 1900 TI / 1 in class turismo



#933 Jerry Entin

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 02:20


Can't have been Lalah Neuman since she was born in Fabens, Texas, on Oct 10, 1934 before moving to Tampa and then becoming a school teacher in Opa-Locka. She drove a Morgan in EP class.

all research: Willem Oosthoek

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:45

We have Rosemary Smith lined up as our next film show day guest speaker in mid October.

Anyone have any stories, anecdotes, facts, photos, films etc that might help , thanks ?



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Posted 22 July 2015 - 20:53

There is a great story about her losing all the gears on her car, and having to drive backwards up the Khyber Pass during the World Cup Rally one year.



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Posted 22 July 2015 - 20:56

... Lalah Neuman ... was born in Fabens, Texas, on Oct 10, 1934 before moving to Tampa and then becoming a school teacher in Opa-Locka.

BTW, by marriage and despite divorce she now is Lalah Tillinghast.



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Posted 24 July 2015 - 15:48

There is a great story about her losing all the gears on her car, and having to drive backwards up the Khyber Pass during the World Cup Rally one year.

If we are talking about the same incident, the report I read was on the 1968 London to Sydney in a MK 2 Lotus Cortina  Boreham built but Irish registered and entered by Henry Ford of Ireland.

It said  as with several twin cams they lost compression so badly presumably due to burned valves  from very poor petrol that the car would only climb a hill in reverse gear.

 

However the MK 1 Austin Maxi from 1969 on the 1970 London to Mexico  had cable gearchange which even in road use would stretch and adjustment was lost to the extent that finding any gear  was close to impossible .

 

So in fact either could be right.

 

However she finished both Marathons and took the ladies prize as she so often did.Clearly iron willed with great determination.



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Posted 26 July 2015 - 16:17

I checked Lalah Neumann back and forth. She did race Daytona in 1959 and 1960 but unfortunately I didn't find any reference to speed trials at the beach. Stopped in 1958. Furthermore there seems to be no reference to XK120 or Michigan/Detroit.

Wolfgang



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Posted 26 July 2015 - 16:47

If we are talking about the same incident, the report I read was on the 1968 London to Sydney in a MK 2 Lotus Cortina  Boreham built but Irish registered and entered by Henry Ford of Ireland.

It said  as with several twin cams they lost compression so badly presumably due to burned valves  from very poor petrol that the car would only climb a hill in reverse gear.

 

However the MK 1 Austin Maxi from 1969 on the 1970 London to Mexico  had cable gearchange which even in road use would stretch and adjustment was lost to the extent that finding any gear  was close to impossible .

 

So in fact either could be right.

 

However she finished both Marathons and took the ladies prize as she so often did.Clearly iron willed with great determination.

 

It was the London to Sydney Marathon, I was getting a bit confused.

 

I've had the pleasure of meeting Rosemary a couple of times, and have talked about this incident with her, so I should have remembered! She is a lovely lady with lots of great stories.