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#151 Rob29

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Posted 22 December 2002 - 09:27

Originally posted by 2F-001
Current issue of Motorsport has a piece by Bill Boddy on ''Brooklands Ladies''.

Can anyone name the 7 ladies in the main photo?

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#152 Rob29

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Posted 22 December 2002 - 09:40

Originally posted by theunions


Cheryl Glass actually ran ARS/Lights thrice: started 9th/finished 7th at Nazareth in '90, then Long Beach and Phoenix the following year.

Apparently she also did some modeling and did interior design.

What are the details of her suicide? All I know is that it happened in Seattle.

This looks like one for conspiricy theorists. Did a google search and found 70 odd links re 'Cheryl Glass'
No photos sadly. There seem to have been several Cheryls. The one we are interested in clearly identified as 'race driver ,fashion designer & businesswoman.' However also found a bridal wear designer who died 'in mysterious circumstances' in 1997. Inference of CIA involvement. Are they the same person.

#153 ian senior

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Posted 23 December 2002 - 09:46

Originally posted by Rob29
Robert Cowell I believe was a WW2 RAF pilot who did some racing in late 40s. Was famous for being the first in UK to undergo a sex change. So anatomicaly she IS a woman. She featured in a TV documentary on transexuals recently. BTW only in the last week or so has the law(in UK) been changed so she could change her birth certificate!
I have no record that she ever RACED after the operation,but I have film of her trying a hill climb.



She did race, and I saw her. It was at Rufforth, of all places, in August 1972 and she was driving Tony Kitchener's Kitchmac F5000 car. She was a , shall we say, large lady, with long blonde hair tucked into a red open face helmet with black spots. She pootled around in mid field and fluffed a few gear changes.

#154 bill moffat

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Posted 23 December 2002 - 10:32

back to Robert(a). His/her case was somewhat of a legal precedent. Robert passed a rigorous RAF medical as a male and subsequently fathered children..so no doubt as to the fact that anatomically he was male. He may have undergone surgery but would never have "gained" the necessary bits to be classified as an anatomical female (ie womb, ovaries in particular). Her birth certificate, incidentally, was changed in May 1951.

#155 eldougo

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Posted 23 December 2002 - 10:47

THANKS BILL & ROB for your info on this subject

Happy Christmas. eldougo.

#156 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 December 2002 - 16:19

Originally posted by theunions


Cheryl Glass actually ran ARS/Lights thrice: started 9th/finished 7th at Nazareth in '90, then Long Beach and Phoenix the following year.

Apparently she also did some modeling and did interior design.

What are the details of her suicide? All I know is that it happened in Seattle.

I do know that she appeared in a Can-Am race at Dallas in 1984. In a Van Diemen, IIRC!

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#157 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 December 2002 - 21:14

Originally posted by ian senior
She did race, and I saw her. It was at Rufforth, of all places, in August 1972 and she was driving Tony Kitchener's Kitchmac F5000 car. She was a, shall we say, large lady, with long blonde hair tucked into a red open face helmet with black spots. She pootled around in mid field and fluffed a few gear changes.


Now what message do we get from this?

All the same, she was getting on by 1972, I guess... then again, it might have been uncomfortable the way she was squeezed into the cockpit...

#158 john medley

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Posted 24 December 2002 - 02:09

RM Cowell started his motor sport career in 1935 or 36 aged 16( b 1918), commissioned in the RAF at17, raced various cars notably Alta( one of his pushers /polishers was Denis Jenkinson... shown with the 2 litre Alta at Brooklands in a photo on this forum) pre and post war, RAF WW2 and Prisoner of War , raced to about 1948 in UK and Europe before his/her various operations.and wrote "Roberta Cowell's Story, by herself"(Heinemann, 1954). 1935 to 1972 is an admirably long motor sporting career, even with interruptions.

#159 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 December 2002 - 02:53

Exceeded by a few others, of course...

Your friend George Reed being one of them. There was a thread last week that delved into long careers...

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Posted 24 December 2002 - 11:37

I am surprised no one has mentioned Lady Victor Bruce, First lady to be convicted for speeding on a motorbike, her parents bought her a car as they thought it safer! Set records at Brooklands and Montlhery, Drove in the Montecarlo Rally, Set Cross channel and other speed records in power boats, Got into flying and flew a small plane around the world, Still flew in her late 80's. Her book nine lives plus is a great read if you can get it
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#161 David McKinney

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Posted 24 December 2002 - 12:27

Hon Mrs Victor Bruce, surely, not Lady?

#162 genobert

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Posted 07 January 2003 - 21:58

Hi Guys,

I'm the American lady writing a book on women racers someone mentioned months ago (yes, I've been lurking). I decided to ask you all what you know about AMERICAN women who raced between 1920 and 1945.

I'm coming up with exhibition-only stuff. I know about Helle Nice's US Tour, and Elfreida Mais' pre-war runs, but have little to nothing on her or others after WWI (f'r instance, I know Mais was killed in a stunt crash in Birmingham, AL in 1934, but no other details).

Any comments, references, leads, appreciated. Even if it is exhibition only.... Thanks in advance.

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#163 Darren Galpin

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 08:23

The only one I can come up with immediately is Louise Smith, but she started racing in 1946, which is just outside of your timeline.............

#164 Rob29

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 09:03

Sorry none here either. I have a database of over 800 women drivers worldwide. I only include those who actually raced (on circuits) none in USA before WW2. As Indianapolis did not allow women in the garages,let alone the track,until forced to by equal rights laws in the 60s,this seems to be a hopeless task. Only possibility is women impersonating men to get acceptance. I have 2 transexual drivers,changed from men into women. Does anyone know if any women ever changed into men in order to get a drive?

#165 RTH

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 09:08

Who can lell us about uk women drivers of the 70s & 80s and what are they doing now ? Divina Galica,Tina Cooper,Juliette Slaughter, Janet Brise , Lorina Boughton,Desire Wilson,Alison Davis, and others. How many Women raced at Le Mans and who had the best result ?

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#166 Ian McKean

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 09:46

Ref Roberta Cowell, the hillclimb film that was mentioned earlier is presumably the Pathe item that can be downloaded from their website. She was driving a borrowed Cooper-Bristol F2 car at Shelsley and won the lady's class. She was also interviewed briefly on the film.

At the risk of being thought ungallant, I wonder why he/she bothered to have the operation.

Another driver I cannot recall having seen in this thread (sorry if I missed it), but was quite accomplished, was Ellen Lohr, who raced in the German Touring car series a few years back.

I have already been taken to task in TNF about my spelling of German names so I guess I shall be again, but it would be interesting to know what happened to Ellen, because I recall that she was a very fast lady (and I mean that in the nicest possible way).

#167 Darren Galpin

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 09:55

Ellen is still racing in the German Touring Cup, for Super Production type cars.

#168 Rob29

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 13:03

Originally posted by Darren Galpin
Ellen is still racing in the German Touring Cup, for Super Production type cars.

Actually Darren,Ellen was doing the V8 Stars last season,Claudia Hurtgen did the DTC.

#169 Darren Galpin

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 13:12

Erm, yes, you would be right there. I will take myself outside, prostrate myself on the ground and administer a whipping for not paying sufficient attention!

Lohr finished outside the top 10 of the V8Star series, her highest position being 8th at Zolder. Huertgen drove a BMW 320i, and won 3 races.

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 15:11

Genny: if you do a BB search on "Taylour" you'll find two other threads which will no doubt be of interest. One on Fay Taylour herself, which will advance the racing date you have for her on your site and another on Women at Indy. Fay was racing well before 1948, on two wheels and four.

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Posted 08 January 2003 - 17:49

Originally posted by Ian McKean
I have already been taken to task in TNF about my spelling of German names

If this was aimed at me, sorry! But my intention is not to badmouth those who are too lazy or ignorant of ASCII tables to produce umlauts etc. (that's perfectly okay with me! :)), but to provide correct spellings for those who want these small details correct in their databases.

And as for Ellen, she's plain Lohr - no German umlaut-trickery or somesuch... :D

#172 genobert

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Posted 09 January 2003 - 17:56

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Genny: if you do a BB search on "Taylour" you'll find two other threads which will no doubt be of interest. One on Fay Taylour herself, which will advance the racing date you have for her on your site and another on Women at Indy. Fay was racing well before 1948, on two wheels and four.


Yes, I must admit many of the dates on my posted list are only approximate, as I've neglected to update that list as I gather more info. I do have a good deal on Fay, and am somewhat gratified to know the rest of you aren't coming up with a bunch of women I don't already know about. Seems the US orgs were successful in keeping us all out back in the 20s & 30s... and I know that period was pretty wild but I find it hard to believe any woman would transgender for a ride (much easier to simply bind it all down, chop off the hair and smoke enough to ruin the voice)...

Also a comment on name spelling. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) the frustrations I have in this department. It's bad enough that women marry 1,2,3 times (ala Gwenda Glubb-Janson-Stewart-Hawkes) but then the variations in spellings in both period materials and later references make me crazy!! Esp. for the earlier women where I have few corroborating references - for example, Mme Depret (GP de Bourgogne 1929) is she the same as Mme Deprez referenced elsewhere? Lucy Schell we all know, but what about Mme Scheel - a mispelling or a different woman? The umlauts, accents, etc are the least of it ....

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#173 Rob29

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Posted 09 January 2003 - 18:58

Hi Genny! Just looking at your list and see you still have Vivian Candy who I am fairly certain is a man. Perhaps our Irish members can confirm this!

#174 Jimmy Piget

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 00:47

Hi Genny

Madame Scheel is obviously a mispelling for Lucy Schell.

We can bet (99%) that "Depret" and "Deprez" are the same woman, but which was the actual spelling I can't tell (I prefer "Deprez", but...)

Vivian (also spelled Vivion) Candy is definitely a man (raced in Aurora F1).

Will you believe me if I tell you that I read in a very "serious" French magazine that Andrea De Adamich was listed as a woman ? I guess the journalist thought that Italian name "Andrea" was a feminine one for having a final "a"... (strangely enough he didn't make the same mistake for De Cesaris)
So : beware of first names !
Myself, I did the same kind of mistake when I thought that Australian driver Lyn Archer was a female...

Cheers

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 01:40

Has anyone here mentioned Christine Gibson, today one of the most inlfuential people in the Australian motor industry?

In 1975 Gibson (then Christine Cole) placed fifth in the Australian Touring Car Championship driving an Alfa Romeo GTV. She did receive some favours though as she was driving a small class car which had it's own points compared to the big V8s. She was second in the class championship after a year long battle with the Escort Twin Cam of Bob Holden.

In 1981 she was one of the original two cars in the six car pile-up that ended the Bathurst 1000 prematurly, she had been sixth at the time.

Inluention? Today she is one of the regular judges of one of the most prestigious awards in motoring, Wheels Car of the Year.

#176 Graham Clayton

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 02:09

Falcadore,
Another driver frm that same era was Sue Ransom, who also raced small touring
cars amongst others.

Not road racing, but Kelly Linigen at the moment competes favourably amongst the
sprintcar drivers in Australian speedway at the moment.

#177 Falcadore

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 02:25

Graham,
yeah there's a few female racers in sprinters in recent years, Sherri Schaffer and Kathy Kelly amongst them.

None though are a patch on Melinda Dumesny.

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 09:31

Darrilynn Huitt who raced in Sports Sedans here in Aus in the 70's, with PatCrea.

Helene Bittner who raced single seaters here also, her car was called the Rebelle. I think she raced it at a historic meeting in the last 2 years.

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Posted 10 January 2003 - 10:16

what about GABRIELLE KONIG, competing in Midgets internationally,(beeing married to the Nomad racing Mark Konig) and the two Marcos ladies of the FLIRT-team (first ladies international racing team) Hellen COOK and Jacky BOND SMITH.

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Posted 01 February 2003 - 17:37

and nobody seems to have mentioned this charming lady here so far, who is reported to have conquered the heart´s of the spectators at her appearance in her father´s Veritas at the Grenzlandring in 1949!

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It is stated, that she was indeed wearing this dress during the race! So I can really understand the crowd... :stoned:

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Posted 02 February 2003 - 08:36

:confused:

oz lady drivers


Right now i would like to add more names to the list
VERONA LARKIN --------f/vee & sports cars
ROBI Hamilton -------- f/ford

TO compile a list of them all from this thread
Christine Gibson ( Cole)
Sue Ransom
Pat Peck
Darrilynn Huitt
Helen Bittner
Joan Richmond
any others road racers to add to the list!!!!!!
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Well she is not Australian but LELLA LOMBARDI was my all time favourite lady f/5000
driver she was great to watch at ORAN PARK in the Matich A/50 she qualifyed 4th
an was 2nd in the first corner Warwick Brown leading she gave max & kevin hell that
day until the Motorrrrrrrr blew (oil pumpi think).

#182 Karen Hyland

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 04:24

Originally posted by eldougo
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oz lady drivers


Right now i would like to add more names to the list
VERONA LARKIN --------f/vee & sports cars
ROBI Hamilton -------- f/ford

TO compile a list of them all from this thread
Christine Gibson ( Cole)
Sue Ransom
Pat Peck
Darrilynn Huitt
Helen Bittner
Joan Richmond
any others road racers to add to the list!!!!!!
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Well she is not Australian but LELLA LOMBARDI was my all time favourite lady f/5000
driver she was great to watch at ORAN PARK in the Matich A/50 she qualifyed 4th
an was 2nd in the first corner Warwick Brown leading she gave max & kevin hell that
day until the Motorrrrrrrr blew (oil pumpi think).


Another I can add to this list is my mother Bernadette Dixon.

She commenced racing in Karts as a teenager in the 1960's and was I believe very successful. Some of her successes included the events that used to be held on the oval of the Wayville Showgrounds as part of the Royal Adelaide Show. From memory, I think this event was called the "Battle of the Champions". From stories I have heard many were aghast when she raced a brand new blueprinted Parilla engine on a dirt track :rotfl: .

After leaving Karts, she went into Road Racing. Her first car was a Nimbus Formula Vee kit car. After racing that for a few seasons, she and her father purchased an Elfin Mono that was originally raced by Johnnie Walker. She raced this car on and off for several seasons, Formula 2 and then later Formula Libre configuations. Increased costs and a lack of sponsorship brough about her retirement from Motor Sport in the 1980's.

Other events she competed in were the Powder Puff Derby - an invitational Ladies only stock car race held at Rowley Park Speedway - in which she finished third, and an invitational ladies event at Oran Park (unfortunately I cannot remember any other details about this event off of the top of my head).

She has never lost the love of speed and things mechanical, as she is now "growing old disgracefully" being a active member of the Ulysses Over 50's Motor Cycle Club.

Karen Hyland

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 08:22

:love:

She has never lost the love of speed and things mechanical, as she is now "growing old disgracefully" being a active member of the Ulysses Over 50's Motor Cycle Club.

That,s a girl ---GO BERNADETTE ----Disgracefully is the only way to GO.

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:40

I haven't seen it mentioned that Divina Galica was a national skiing champion and achieved two Top 10 Olympic finishes. Lots of info about her (and pictures) here:- http://www.kmlracing...vina/Divina.htm

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 09:50

:yawn:
fines (quote)

Well, Lella Lombardi, Divina Galica (how do you pronounce that?) and Desiré Wilson were all promoted by John Webb and his MCD in British F5000 and F1 in the seventies.


DAVINA name been done a while back . She was a good driver.

#186 Rob29

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 16:30

Good almost full page obituary in todays 'Daily Express' for Anne Hall,50s rally driver.who died on Jan 19 aged 83.
Interesting info also on British Women Racing Drivers site www.chez.com/antonialoysen/ 2 books are to be published on Mar 8. Details to follow,but the launch sounds like a good place to meet lots of old lady racers..

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 17:15

Originally posted by Rob29
Good almost full page obituary in todays 'Daily Express' for Anne Hall,50s rally driver.who died on Jan 19 aged 83.
Interesting info also on British Women Racing Drivers site www.chez.com/antonialoysen/ 2 books are to be published on Mar 8. Details to follow,but the launch sounds like a good place to meet lots of old lady racers..


My dear fellow - you meant to say "mature lady racers", not so? ;)

#188 Rob29

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 19:51

Oh dear! that did not sound right did it? What I meant to say was ladies who no longer race.

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Posted 03 February 2003 - 21:22

Originally posted by Rob29
Good almost full page obituary in todays 'Daily Express' for Anne Hall,50s rally driver.who died on Jan 19 aged 83.


What a coincidence. I had a "Mrs A. Hall" listed in my Brands Hatch 1963 results, and discovered her first name and nationality in a mail of Stefan I just processed.
And now this. May she rest in peace.

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 00:26

About Anne Hall,

for those interested, his real name was Anne Newton -becoming Anne Hall by 1952/53, through marriage, I suppose.

Carles.

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Posted 04 February 2003 - 00:43

Did anybody mentioned the Paris - Saint-Raphaël Rally in France?

This event was for women drivers exclusively. It was not just a touristic drive, but included some speed trials. Renée Friderich, daughter of Ernest Friderich, Bugatti's dealer and friend of Ettore, took part in the Monte-Carlo Rally, the Paris-Nice and sadly fatally crashed during the Paris-St-Raphael (1931 or 1932). Ernest Friderich witnessed the crash. She was only 20 or 21 year old.

#192 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 22:52

The May 2003 issue of Classic & Sports Car has two features on Betty Haig, her cars and career.

There's also a piece about the 40th anniversary of the BWRDC. They held a party to celebrate and also as a launch for the book Women in Motorsport by Sue Jameson and Peter Tuthill. Among those present (someone hold fines back please!!) were Anita Taylor and Christabel Carlisle (now Lady Watson). Anita is now 60 :eek: and a grandmother :eek: :eek: and is seen here on the left. I think you will all agree that she has grown old very gracefully!

Apologies for the picture quality, which is blown up from a small magazine picture!

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#193 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 23:02

Originally posted by Vitesse2
.....I think you will all agree that she has grown old very gracefully!

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Who's old?

Some of you people have strange ideas... 60 is old? What would Hans think of that?



.....Nice pic, by the way, wonder what fee-nes will think?.....

#194 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 23:11

Originally posted by Ray Bell


Who's old?

Some of you people have strange ideas... 60 is old? What would Hans think of that?

Okay, can we settle for "grown older very gracefully"?

Originally posted by Ray Bell
.....Nice pic, by the way, wonder what fee-nes will think?.....

:p
Dunno, but it struck me that she's actually old enough to be his mother ..... :lol:

#195 Ray Bell

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 23:20

Originally posted by Vitesse2
.....Dunno, but it struck me that she's actually old enough to be his mother ..... :lol:


I've quoted you just so this rubs in when he looks at this thread...

Then again, he might like older women?

#196 lanciaman

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 12:30

By any measure, Shirley Muldowney is the standout female racer.

She won three national championships and 18 national events, and set a number of track records.

Women have done moderately well in other forms of racing, but none have succeeded like Muldowney.

And I don't even like drag racing all that well.

#197 O Volante

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 12:53

Does somebody know what motorracing Miss Duno is doing these times?

#198 Rob29

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 13:23

Only thing mentioned on her website is the Toyota Pro-Celeb race at Long Beach this weekend!

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 16:40

Originally posted by Rob29
Only thing mentioned on her website is the Toyota Pro-Celeb race at Long Beach this weekend!


Along with Leilani Munter and Shawna Robinson.

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 19:12

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lanciaman
[B]By any measure, Shirley Muldowney is the standout female racer.

She won three national championships and 18 national events, and set a number of track records.

Women have done moderately well in other forms of racing, but none have succeeded like Muldowney.



And in her day, she was pretty spunky too.