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[automotivemedia]

I have uploaded 16 audio tracks to YouTube from a rare vinyl LP featuring the sounds of Le Mans 1966 linked with personal accounts of drivers who took part. The audio is split into 16 parts, and really does capture the atmosphere of Le Mans and this historic battle when Ford finished in the top three places with the GT40 MkII.

Enjoy!


Link to Part 1 and you can pick up the others from here...

[jj2728]

Many thanks! Quite enjoyable listening.

[Gary C]

sorry to go on about it, but have you thought about the who owns the copyright on this LP??

[Tuboscocca]

I have uploaded 16 audio tracks to YouTube from a rare vinyl LP featuring the sounds of Le Mans 1966 linked with personal accounts of drivers who took part. The audio is split into 16 parts, and really does capture the atmosphere of Le Mans and this historic battle when Ford finished in the top three places with the GT40 MkII.

Enjoy!


Link to Part 1 and you can pick up the others from here...

Maybe I'm not used to youtube: but I only get Part 1 and Part 9...no further offers or links...

Could you please give the details from the LP??

Many thanks Michael

[Alan Cox]

sorry to go on about it, but have you thought about the who owns the copyright on this LP??

I think you will find it is the Decca Record Co.

[automotivemedia]

sorry to go on about it, but have you thought about the who owns the copyright on this LP??

And your point being?

[automotivemedia]

Maybe I'm not used to youtube: but I only get Part 1 and Part 9...no further offers or links...

Could you please give the details from the LP??

Many thanks Michael

The LP was produced by Decca and has never been re-issued since it's short life in 1966.

To view the other videos, click the original YouTube link for Part 1. You will then see 'automotivemedia' and '41 videos' above the picture screen. Click on '41 videos' and scroll across for all the remaining tracks.

[Gary C]

'The LP was produced by Decca and has never been re-issued since it's short life in 1966.'
So what? It doesn't mean you now own it or can do anything with it you like.......................like posting it on a webnsite so that other people can hear it. And PLEASE don't say some thing like 'it's so old and hasn't been re-issued, so therefore I can do it.' - you can't.

[Leigh Trevail]

I am with Gary on this, you are skating on thin ice; and the weather is getting warmer. Should you have any of the Stanley Schofield records I fully advise you not to make any unoffcial copies of it. You seem naive, although I am sure that your intentions are good, but Mr. Dukes lawyer will not see it that way.

Edited by Leigh Trevail, 30 December 2010 - 20:11.

[automotivemedia]

'The LP was produced by Decca and has never been re-issued since it's short life in 1966.'
So what? It doesn't mean you now own it or can do anything with it you like.......................like posting it on a webnsite so that other people can hear it. And PLEASE don't say some thing like 'it's so old and hasn't been re-issued, so therefore I can do it.' - you can't.

Right, lets get some background and perspective to this. Hugh Mendl who wrote and produced this album in 1966 worked for Decca for over 40 years. He died in 2008 after a turbulent time with the company, and in fact suffered a heart attack in 1979 which he blamed on the stress of 'working for a dying company'. His life long passion was motor racing, which led him to making this historic album which he battled fiercely against Decca to make. It had a limited pressing in 1966 and very few records were actually sold (and it was quite obviously never re-issued). I was aware this record existed, but had never seen any copies for sale for decades until I purchased this from a gentleman who went to this 34th running of Le Mans and bought it as a memento. As a Le Mans enthusiast with a 30 year track record of making a pilgrimage to Le Sarthe, and in the memory of Hugh Mendl I have made this amazing recording available to everybody. Do you think Decca actually care about this record being uploaded to YouTube? They didn't even care for the employee who made the record! This is a tribute to Hugh Mendl and for all the motor racing fans around the world, who would never get to hear the work of a man who was passionate about Le Mans. I am quite honestly amazed that I have dusted the cobwebs off such an historic piece of Le Mans history, and people are worried that Decca (who would NEVER re-issue it) are going to suffer as a consequence! And please don't say - 'well, its the principal.....'

Edited by automotivemedia, 30 December 2010 - 20:52.

[Alan Cox]

The fact that one has some personal gripe against Decca still doesn't give one the right to infringe their copyright.

[Leigh Trevail]

In principle I side with Automotivemedia (how about telling us your proper name), but the copyright might have been sold on in the same way that S.S recordings were. I had this Decca L.P. on my list of bootleg C.Ds that I sold on Ebay but after the Duke Marketing lawyers caught up with me I knocked the whole project on the head.

Edited by Leigh Trevail, 31 December 2010 - 07:10.

[automotivemedia]

The fact that one has some personal gripe against Decca still doesn't give one the right to infringe their copyright.

I have no personal gripe against Decca (in fact a bizarre comment!). Get off your soapbox and enjoy Ford's historic win at Le Mans. Jeez, I thought this was a motor sport enthusiasts forum?

[scags]

no one is selling anything- posting audio from an album that's not commercially available is generally accepted- I own a record label(TMR International)

[automotivemedia]

In principle I side with Automotivemedia (how about telling us your proper name), but the copyright might have been sold on in the same way that S.S recordings were. I had this Decca L.P. on my list of bootleg C,Ds that I sold on Ebay but after the Duke Marketing lawyers caught up with me I knocked the whole project on the head.

My name is Richard - and thanks for a bit of support Leigh. However, this is clearly not a commercial enterprise on my part and I am just getting this rare audio out to motoring enthusiasts. (Duke are not marketing this recording). I have never seen this rare LP for sale and could have quite easily duplicated the CD recording and sold it on eBay, but I wanted a wider audience. Shame the Autosport forum police have taken against it.

[Gary C]

It doesn't matter if you're selling copies of said album or not, you're infringing copyright, simple as that.

[automotivemedia]

no one is selling anything- posting audio from an album that's not commercially available is generally accepted- I own a record label(TMR International)

Thanks Scags - I wanted to share this for no gain with like-minded people. Guess I came on the wrong forum.

[GD66]

Shame the Autosport forum police have taken against it.

...but no surprise...

[automotivemedia]

It doesn't matter if you're selling copies of said album or not, you're infringing copyright, simple as that.

Gary C - May I suggest you re-arrange these words in the correct order.... 'life a get'.

I seriously don't know why this has raised your hackles, but putting this into perspective and with all the cr*p and stress we have to put up with in life on a day-to-day basis, why on earth is this winding you up? In fact, if you were so bothered and knowledgeable about 'copyright infringement' I'm surprised your morals allow you to go anywhere near YouTube.

This was uploaded for no gain and for motor sport enthusiasts, and Decca will not suffer as a result I can assure you. I can send you their address for donations if you want to view it again.

[john aston]

Carry on uploading as far as I am concerned- Jesus am I the only one who spent years taping stuff from borrowed LPs? Thought not. I also do other illegal stuff like speeding - why are we so bothered about bloody Decca's copyright?

[GD66]

Who knows ?

What's the difference between sending someone a link to an out-of-production sound grab, and playing it to them at high volume in your lounge room, like I did to my long-suffering school buddies with the Stanley Schofield TT records all those years ago?

[Alan Cox]

I have no personal gripe against Decca (in fact a bizarre comment!).

In post #10 you appeared to be citing Hugh Mendl's experiences with Decca as justification for riding rough-shod over copyright law.

[GD66]

Have a look at the music area of youtube, John. Copyright means Jack over there. Richard's link is diddly-squat by comparison. I understand the reaction, but the horse has long bolted...

[automotivemedia]

In post #10 you appeared to be citing Hugh Mendl's experiences with Decca as justification for riding rough-shod over copyright law.

Alan - I detailed Hugh Mendl's experiences with Decca to add some more background to the original post which I thought may have been of interest to members of the forum. And unfortunately I rode rough-shod over the road traffic law this morning whilst driving at 53mph in a 50mph limit. I certainly am heading for hell and damnation.

[Leigh Trevail]

Am I correct in thinking that as an individual who owns a copy of the Decca 1966 Le’ Mans LP that I can legitimately transfer it onto a medium that I can listen to, i.e. vinyl to C.D. or hold it digitally on my computer. If this is the case surely anyone who owns a vinyl copy of the said L.P. is legally allowed to listen to Richard’s upload on YouTube.

[john aston]

Like 99% of people interested in historic motor sport I find it far more compelling than the minutiae of copright law. Youtube is an extraordinary resource and if the legality of uploading onto it is sometimes a bit shaky then I can live with that. Obviously if you upload last week's GP then somebody is going to come looking for you with a writ but some real anorak stuff like 50 year old soundclips at Le Mans- FFS who cares about copyright?

[scags]

If the copyright holder objects, you tube will take it off the site.

[villeneuvefan]

Come on folks! Here we have a new member simply trying to do us a service and all the poor fellow is getting is grief! Think he will ever do such a thing again the way he has been treated as a criminal here? Besides copyright relates to commercial gain. He has nothing to gain from providing free access. So let's settle down and thank the fellow for some amazing audio.

[hipperson]

Brilliant stuff!..............thank you so much Richard.
Never managed more than 150 mph out of mine in the seventies.

Just emailed the link to Ronnie Spain.....................

[scags]

Never managed more than 150 mph out of mine in the seventies. Wus!

[Arjan de Roos]

Enjoy!

Thank you! I do own the original and occasionally play it.

no one is selling anything- posting audio from an album that's not commercially available is generally accepted- I own a record label(TMR International)

The LP states: "Copyright Control" as well as "... - Unauthorised public performance broadcasting and copying of this record prohibited"

Come on folks! Here we have a new member simply trying to do us a service and all the poor fellow is getting is grief! Think he will ever do such a thing again the way he has been treated as a criminal here? ...

I think some here want to protect him. Others here have had their own pictures, text or other copyright material seen published on the net or in books or other media without any consent. Then again the net is (protection wise) similar to the public road that starts at your doorstep, mind you.

I have never seen this rare LP for sale ...

Every now and then its for sale on E-Bay or specialized LP shops.

Edited by Arjan de Roos, 03 January 2011 - 21:55.

[automotivemedia]

I think some here want to protect him. Others here have had their own pictures, text or other copyright material seen published on the net or in books or other media without any consent.
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I personally don't think I need 'protecting' as if have committed some terrible crime against society by uploading 45 year old audio tracks that would never have been heard if I had not done so (in fact I could have waited for 5 years and then the copyright would have expired, but I guess some members on this forum would have shuffled of this mortal coil by then and missed it). Do you honestly think Decca would dust this album off from their back catalogue and make it available to fans of this event? The writer and producer Hugh Mendl is no longer alive, so he is not being starved of any royalties. In fact we owe it to his memory as (so called) motor sport enthusiasts to enjoy and share his passionate and unique production. I am true enthusiast of Le Mans and endurance racing and made this audio available with the best of intentions. Has anyone on this forum made the pilgrimage to this event consecutively for the last 30 years? If so, lets shake hands over a beer in June and put this petty debate to bed (or Sebring in March for that matter!).

An let's finally not be so naive to think that pictures or text posted on forums does not get distributed and published elsewhere without consent! Surely that's the fun and enjoyment of this medium? If you don't want your material copied in this modern age, keep it under the bed gathering dust.


Richard


(oh, and for those of you against this being uploaded and breaking copyright law I suggest you stop replying as it bumps the subject back to the top of the forum for even more people to click the link!)

Edited by automotivemedia, 03 January 2011 - 22:35.

[Arjan de Roos]

I personally don't think I need 'protecting' as if have committed some terrible crime against society by uploading 45 year old audio tracks that would never have been heard if I had not done so.

OK, but don't come moaning in if some Decca copyright holder (Like in Schofield's case is Duke) sends you a mail. Some of us here do not have a point with Decca never re-issueing the album, but stretch the fact that the copyright is held somewhere. These days people still like to earn, even without releasing an album. Indeed Mendl has done a fine job with this album, no discussion.

An let's finally not be so naive to think that pictures or text posted on forums does not get distributed and published elsewhere without consent! Surely that's the fun and enjoyment of this medium? If you don't want your material copied in this modern age, keep it under the bed gathering dust.

That's just my point. Putting stuff up there is close as throwing it on the street, if..... if we have some protection that is respected. Indeed great if all is enjoyed and enhances enjoyment. Still those that do should have some protection as well as revenue (little, I know). Unfortunately Mendl can no longer enjoy any revenues, I guess thats another story when we start with record companies.

If so, lets shake hands over a beer in June and put this petty debate to bed

Yeah, see you in June below the ferris wheel.