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#201 David McKinney

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:45

Ah, nostalgia! It seems like just yesterday!

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#202 seldo

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 13:27

That whole episode was insanely dangerous...
 
The way Webber ran out there on the track, the way Alonso pulled up on the line, ridiculous.

erm...True....and True....but hardly worth a 10 spot grid penalty, especially since it just continues a long and hitherto un-penalised list of precedents over 50 years, including apparently one by one of the stewards....
Just another case of the nanny-state creeping insidiously into all facets of our lives...

#203 Option1

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 13:46

He wasn't given a 10 place grid penalty for the lift incident, but was just reprimanded for that.  However, there's 3 strikes  aspect to reprimands during a season, and this was Webber's third reprimand. 

 

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 18:31

Ah, nostalgia! It seems like just yesterday!

Yes! I'll have a look at the footage in 20 years... if I'm spared.   ;)



#205 seldo

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 21:29

He wasn't given a 10 place grid penalty for the lift incident, but was just reprimanded for that.  However, there's 3 strikes  aspect to reprimands during a season, and this was Webber's third reprimand. 
 
Neil

Yes - well aware of that, but they would also have known the effective repercussions of a 3rd formal reprimand. I'm afraid the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime.
On another variation, since the engine was obviously caput, does the engine-change penalty compound with the 3 strikes penalty? If so he won't be able to even start his next race until December.....;)

Edited by seldo, 23 September 2013 - 21:29.


#206 elansprint72

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 21:33

Ah, nostalgia! It seems like just yesterday!

... and some fell on stony ground...  :rolleyes:



#207 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 22:20

Yes - well aware of that, but they would also have known the effective repercussions of a 3rd formal reprimand. I'm afraid the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime.
On another variation, since the engine was obviously caput, does the engine-change penalty compound with the 3 strikes penalty? If so he won't be able to even start his next race until December.....;)

I only get November!
Though the whole thing is nanny state. Though Alonso could have parked in a better spot to pick up Mark. The piece of footage is interesting. 12000rpm in the indirect gears, like about 2000 in a sporty road car. About 6000 in 7th at a 100k. Remember these blokes have been driving that same stretch of road a 3 times the speed so it would feel like they are stopped.

#208 scheivlak

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 23:24

Yes - well aware of that, but they would also have known the effective repercussions of a 3rd formal reprimand. I'm afraid the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime.
 

Now that's what I call a nanny state argument  :wave:

"Your honour, I know my client is wrong but don't punish him like you should do because of its effects on this poor soul"



#209 seldo

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 09:00

Now that's what I call a nanny state argument  :wave:
"Your honour, I know my client is wrong but don't punish him like you should do because of its effects on this poor soul"

And would you be just as vehement if it had been Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonen, or, gasp, Vettel? Methinks not....

#210 scheivlak

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 13:51

And would you be just as vehement if it had been Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonen, or, gasp, Vettel? Methinks not....

Well, then you're wrong.



#211 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 20:50

And now Webber says it was all 'comical'...

 

It's obvious he's dropping out of the class soon.



#212 GMACKIE

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 21:07

That whole episode was insanely dangerous...

 

The way Webber ran out there on the track, the way Alonso pulled up on the line, ridiculous.

Oh, shock!, horror! - grown men engaging in dangerous activities in F1......where will it all end?



#213 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 22:36

Greg, you can't criticise Schumacher's attacks on Damon Hill etc and not speak out on this incident...

 

Sure, it's always at least bordering on dangerous, but this was pretty silly, you'd have to admit.

 

Like when Bruno Carosi drove close to the pits at Longford with 100' of fencing mesh dragging from his Jag's rear bumper and his crew tried to jump on it to tear it off so he wouldn't be black-flagged.



#214 seldo

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 23:29

Greg, you can't criticise Schumacher's attacks on Damon Hill etc and not speak out on this incident...
 
Sure, it's always at least bordering on dangerous, but this was pretty silly, you'd have to admit.
 
Like when Bruno Carosi drove close to the pits at Longford with 100' of fencing mesh dragging from his Jag's rear bumper and his crew tried to jump on it to tear it off so he wouldn't be black-flagged.

Yes - it was thoughtless and dangerous, but had Alonso stopped to one side, rather than smack-bang in the middle of the track it would have been a completely different story, and would just be one more "driver get's a lift back to pits" situation which has been occurring for the last 60 years.
Had there been an actual incident, as distinct from the possibility of one, the penalty would be justified.
But as it stands, it is really no different to a racing move where someone overtakes dramatically/brilliantly/closely/perilously/scarily/dangerously (choose your description) but no contact occurs and no-one is hurt and no goods damaged. Contact = penalty, no contact = no penalty.

#215 GMACKIE

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 23:30

Yes Ray, it was "pretty silly" - foolish even.....although it showed [to me, anyhow] that they [some of them] are human, and not just 'robots', controlled by a team of geeks in the pits.



#216 seldo

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 23:45

As an afterthought - is it potentially any more dangerous than Vettel's usual swerve at the pit-fence on the last lap, or his no-hands-on-wheel fist-pumping antics at virtually full speed?
Wait for more nanny-rules shortly....

#217 Stephen W

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:19

Yes - it was thoughtless and dangerous, but had Alonso stopped to one side, rather than smack-bang in the middle of the track it would have been a completely different story, and would just be one more "driver get's a lift back to pits" situation which has been occurring for the last 60 years.
Had there been an actual incident, as distinct from the possibility of one, the penalty would be justified.
But as it stands, it is really no different to a racing move where someone overtakes dramatically/brilliantly/closely/perilously/scarily/dangerously (choose your description) but no contact occurs and no-one is hurt and no goods damaged. Contact = penalty, no contact = no penalty.

 

I suspect there is an element of 'to discourage the others' about the fine. Yes there was no contact but when I watched it I was appalled at the stupidity of both Alonso for stopping where he did and Webber for mincing out onto the track with cars still hurtling towards him! If as 'Seldo' suggests Alonso had actually pulled over to be nearer to Webber there would have been no danger to anyone and hence no fine.



#218 Elio de Maky

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 20:23

imgteofabi0001.jpgTeoFabi on team mate Thierry Boutsen 1987.

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Portugal GP 1987, Estoril, turn "Orelha" :wave:



#219 BRG

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 20:30

As an afterthought - is it potentially any more dangerous than Vettel's usual swerve at the pit-fence on the last lap, or his no-hands-on-wheel fist-pumping antics at virtually full speed?
 

And that pointy finger business! He could have someone's eye out like that!  And encouraging all that tasteless booing!

 

Ban him!  Ban him NOW!!



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#220 eldougo

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 06:26

Sounds like a good idea BRG ,Hate the Finger :down:  :down:  :down:



#221 Duc-Man

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:24

Found this on fb: Tom Pryce (or at least his car) in spain 1975.

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#222 alansart

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 13:59

Found this on fb: Tom Pryce (or at least his car) in spain 1975.

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I hazard a guess that the car is on it's way back to the Paddock having broken down in practice. The Paddock was the Stadium at the top of Montuic and it looks as though the roads have been reopened after the days running. The mechanic sitting on the rear wing looks to have the jump battery next to him.



#223 eldougo

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:28

Great picture DucMan you can see a face in the rear view mirror probably another mechanic taking it back to the pits .



#224 Graham Clayton

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 09:26

1980 Indy 500 winner Johnny Rutherford giving Tim Richmond a lift back to the pits before turning into Victory Lane:

 

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#225 group7

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 21:03

would like to post a photo in this thread. gave up trying ! :confused: if I sent the image,  would anyone be willing to do so for me ?


Edited by group7, 29 March 2014 - 21:04.


#226 kento11

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 22:02

Try photo bucket

#227 eldougo

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:06

Found a few more Getting A Lift.. :up:

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Found a few more Getting A Lift.. :up:


Edited by eldougo, 02 April 2014 - 05:13.


#228 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:19

 
Found a few more Getting A Lift.. :up:

Sports Cars used to be a bus for victory laps with most of the team. 



#229 eldougo

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 01:43

Warwick Roolyn "Getting A Lift " from Mark Skaife E/Creek 1991.

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#230 arttidesco

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 00:08

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Apologies for poor picture quality but it is a still from the film 'Ein Engle Auf Erden' Romy Schneider 'getting a lift' from the Monte Carlo street circuit to the local French Airport (Nice ?) from Henri Vidal, in his last role before he died of a heart attack aged 40, aboard a 250F (#2521?).  


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#231 GMACKIE

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 05:50

(Nice ?) Yes !......Very Nice ! :love:



#232 scheivlak

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 21:17

Richard Petty told the story of his father pulling out from a pit stop at one race.  The kid was still cleaning the windshield, and Petty was already accelerating on the track when he noticed his son, lying on his belly on the hood.  Lee yelled at his son to hold on, and Young Richard took his first lap in a NASCAR race.

 

http://www.taurtoise.../Patriarch.html



#233 Tuboscocca

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 16:36

56_Ein_Engel_Auf_Erde_02.jpg

 

Apologies for poor picture quality but it is a still from the film 'Ein Engle Auf Erden' Romy Schneider 'getting a lift' from the Monte Carlo street circuit to the local French Airport (Nice ?) from Henri Vidal, in his last role before he died of a heart attack aged 40, aboard a 250F (#2521?).  

Ralph--thanks At 1.23.23 h is this scene from an otherwise 'awful' German production..The mixed Junior/GP takes at Monaco are interesting!! But that's out of topic..

 

Michael



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 05:49

Ralph--thanks At 1.23.23 h is this scene from an otherwise 'awful' German production..The mixed Junior/GP takes at Monaco are interesting!! But that's out of topic..

 

Michael

 

I found the production quite charming, maybe I was watching with my nostalgic glasses on :smoking:



#235 Duc-Man

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:09

Another one from FB: Shadow DN7 Matra, Monza 1975,Jarier,Lafitte

 

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Looks like babyblue racing gear was the highest of fashion back in the day. :lol:



#236 Tuboscocca

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 10:28

I found the production quite charming, maybe I was watching with my nostalgic glasses on :smoking:

Fully agreed for the 'Zeitgeist',  ....and the best is the old Monaco without skyscrappers and...

 

Michael



#237 eldougo

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:18

Great photo .Thanks Duc-Man.The French connection 1975 style. I remember that material of Jacques suit looked like Corduroy.... :clap: