In his book 'Mille Miglia Race: The Postwar Years', Andrea Curami refers to the F di M Grand Prix, which was on the motorway on the Turin to Brescia stage of the Mille Miglia. It must have been a speed trial of some sort, but I cannot find any explanation of what F di M stands for or any other detail. I was at the Mille Miglia museum again last year, and I didn't see it listed in the various 'special awards' that existed for various stages.
Can anyone help?
Mille Miglia - F di M Grand Prix
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 09:40
My first thought was that it might have been an award presented in honour of Count Franco Mazzotti, one of the four original organisers of the Mille Miglia, who had been killed in World War 2. However, I can't find any reference to him as 'Franco di Mazzotti' so I suspect I'm barking up the wrong tree.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 10:49
That stretch was used only in 1947 and 1948, if that's any help...
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 11:26
Ah, that explains it - I had no recollection of the route going anywhere near Turin, but didn't like to say!That stretch was used only in 1947 and 1948, if that's any help...
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 12:29
With Milan halfway between Turin and Brescia, one would think "di M" stands for di Milano - just guessing.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 14:11
I haven't translated it, but this appears to have been awarded for part of the stage from Turin to Brescia - flip back two pages from the link below to see the full stage times - and I wonder if it's perhaps some sort of complicated handicap, since the three places given don't seem to correspond with the overall list. However, I can't see anything in this article which explains what "F di M" stands for! (Warning - this website can be very slow to load: be patient!)
http://www.emeroteca...ge/128/mode/2up
Perhaps there might be explanations in either the 1948 or 1947 editions of the magazine (if they existed), but in any case the CONI library doesn't have them!
http://www.emeroteca...ge/128/mode/2up
Perhaps there might be explanations in either the 1948 or 1947 editions of the magazine (if they existed), but in any case the CONI library doesn't have them!
Edited by Vitesse2, 09 January 2011 - 14:13.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 16:22
In his book 'Mille Miglia Race: The Postwar Years', Andrea Curami refers to the F di M Grand Prix, which was on the motorway on the Turin to Brescia stage of the Mille Miglia. It must have been a speed trial of some sort, but I cannot find any explanation of what F di M stands for or any other detail. I was at the Mille Miglia museum again last year, and I didn't see it listed in the various 'special awards' that existed for various stages.
Can anyone help?
Dear ChrisD
the Italian version of the Curamibook (with different texts and photos), tells at least that the 'Gran Premio F.di M. was for the fastest on the Autostrada from Torino to Brescia (240km). Nontheless the puzzle of F.di M. stays...
Regards Michael
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 17:48
Gran Premio della Fiera di Milano?
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 22:01
Gran Premio della Fiera di Milano?
Sounds good!!But why should they pick out only the Fiera di Milano...and in my opinion too modern thinking.Only persons or maybe cities were honoured--no commercial 'sponsors' then??
Or am I totally wrong...I asked a friend who has the 'Primavera di Brescia' books (very rare and expensive) .Maybe they have written someting in...,but he has to dig them out!!
In later years there was the special from Mantova to Brescia , who achieved the highest average...I'll think 'Gran Premio F.di M.' is in that league...
They wanted to promote their Autostrada, and just after the war the roads in Italy were still destroyed too...
And a great pity that Curami passed away last year, no chance to ask him directly.
I'm sure 'we' will have a solution!!
regards Michael
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 12:46
In the Regolamento for the 1947 MM it says under the heading PREMI SPECIALI "Per generosa offerta della Casa F.d.M. di Milano ...." So, this would appear to be a special prize donated by a company called FdM, and on the back page of said Regolamento is an ad for FdiM. It's very plain and features the FdiM logo, and the words Pin and Balsam and a drawing of a couple of pine trees, all printed in red.
Nathan
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 16:07
It was definitely the "Gran Premio Fiera di Milano".
A race against time along the 240-kilometer Turin-Brescia motorway, at the end of the 1600-kilometer road race.
Winner of the 1947 edition of the "G.P. F.d.M." was Inico Bernabei with co-driver Tullio Pacini in a Cisitalia. Clemente Biondetti-Emilio Romano (winners of the Mille Miglia in an Alfa Romeo 8C) finished 2nd.
In 1948 Clemente Biondetti-Giuseppe Navone in a Ferrari 166S were the winners of the Mille Miglia and won also the G.P. F.d.M.
Source: Newspaper "La Stampa" of Turin.
A race against time along the 240-kilometer Turin-Brescia motorway, at the end of the 1600-kilometer road race.
Winner of the 1947 edition of the "G.P. F.d.M." was Inico Bernabei with co-driver Tullio Pacini in a Cisitalia. Clemente Biondetti-Emilio Romano (winners of the Mille Miglia in an Alfa Romeo 8C) finished 2nd.
In 1948 Clemente Biondetti-Giuseppe Navone in a Ferrari 166S were the winners of the Mille Miglia and won also the G.P. F.d.M.
Source: Newspaper "La Stampa" of Turin.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 18:07
Can I thank everyone for their really helpful replies. If it is of any interest to people, when I was at the Mille Miglia museum I noted the special awards that were listed for the post-war editions of the Mille Miglia. I also noted who won them, their times, and so on. If anyone wants the full details (winners/times) I have made them into a table in a Word document. Just let me know
Chris
Mille Miglia special awards 1947 to 1957
GP Campari
(1) Brescia to Rome
(2) Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1950: 1951: 1952: 1954: 1956
(3) Whole race, Brescia to Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1953: 1955:
GP Giornale di Brescia
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
GP Nuvolari
Awarded in years 1954 : 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Index of Performance
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Awarded in years 1956 : 1957
Chris
Mille Miglia special awards 1947 to 1957
GP Campari
(1) Brescia to Rome
(2) Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1950: 1951: 1952: 1954: 1956
(3) Whole race, Brescia to Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1953: 1955:
GP Giornale di Brescia
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
GP Nuvolari
Awarded in years 1954 : 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Index of Performance
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Awarded in years 1956 : 1957
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 18:19
Can I thank everyone for their really helpful replies. If it is of any interest to people, when I was at the Mille Miglia museum I noted the special awards that were listed for the post-war editions of the Mille Miglia. I also noted who won them, their times, and so on. If anyone wants the full details (winners/times) I have made them into a table in a Word document. Just let me know
Chris
Mille Miglia special awards 1947 to 1957
GP Campari
(1) Brescia to Rome
(2) Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1950: 1951: 1952: 1954: 1956
(3) Whole race, Brescia to Rome to Brescia
Awarded in years 1953: 1955:
GP Giornale di Brescia
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
GP Nuvolari
Awarded in years 1954 : 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Index of Performance
Awarded in years 1952: 1953: 1954: 1955 : 1956 : 1957
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Awarded in years 1956 : 1957
Chris thanks. GP Nuvolari was (?) the fastest Mantova to Brescia??
And now for the other awards..
Michael
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 18:22
It was definitely the "Gran Premio Fiera di Milano".
A race against time along the 240-kilometer Turin-Brescia motorway, at the end of the 1600-kilometer road race.
Winner of the 1947 edition of the "G.P. F.d.M." was Inico Bernabei with co-driver Tullio Pacini in a Cisitalia. Clemente Biondetti-Emilio Romano (winners of the Mille Miglia in an Alfa Romeo 8C) finished 2nd.
In 1948 Clemente Biondetti-Giuseppe Navone in a Ferrari 166S were the winners of the Mille Miglia and won also the G.P. F.d.M.
Source: Newspaper "La Stampa" of Turin.
Thanks Nanni!! BUT the honour goes to Vitesse2--He was absolutely correct!!
Thanks Michael
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 18:24
Many thanks for sending me this link.... I have never come across this site before. Makes me wonder what else is available on-line that I have failed to find!!
I have had a quick look, and there are a few reference pictures that I have been searching for that I haven't been able to find anywhere else. Of particular interest is the photo of the Healey Elliott (registration GWD 42 - page 106 of the 1949 edition) that Nick Haines raced in the 1948 Mille Miglia. I even wrote to the Healey Association, and they replied saying that they were unaware of any photos of this car competing in the '48 race. I shall certainly pass this on to Warren Kennedy at the Healey Association for their information.
Cheers
Chris
http://www.emeroteca...ge/128/mode/2up
I have had a quick look, and there are a few reference pictures that I have been searching for that I haven't been able to find anywhere else. Of particular interest is the photo of the Healey Elliott (registration GWD 42 - page 106 of the 1949 edition) that Nick Haines raced in the 1948 Mille Miglia. I even wrote to the Healey Association, and they replied saying that they were unaware of any photos of this car competing in the '48 race. I shall certainly pass this on to Warren Kennedy at the Healey Association for their information.
Cheers
Chris
http://www.emeroteca...ge/128/mode/2up
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 18:27
Thanks Nanni!! BUT the honour goes to Vitesse2--He was absolutely correct!!
Thanks Michael
To a certain extent it was a bit of an inspired guess, but all credit to Nanni - I did try to find it in La Stampa and Corriere dello Sport but my lack of Italian probably didn't help! All I could find was a trotting race for horses.
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Hi Michael
This is the list of special awards that I referred to in my earlier posting.
As you say the GP Nuvolari was added in '54 to mark Nuvolari's death the year before, and was for the fastest driver from Cremona to Brescia via Mantua, his home town.
The GP Campari was either for each half of the race (Brescia to Rome and Rome to Brescia) in some years and for the whole race in others ('53, '55). Obviously, for those 2 years the winner/time for the GP Campari was the same as for the whole event, so I am not sure of the point of it.
There was no info that I could see at the Mille Miglia museum about either the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' or the Index of Performance. The winners times of the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' range from 1h 17m 11s in 1952 down to 5 seconds in 1957. I ghave no idea what it was for, but there is a strong chance that someone else will, and will post more information.
Chris
Special Awards
1950
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 55m 45s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 43m 35s
1951
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 7h 18m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 5h 31m 23s
1952
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 6h 45m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giovanni Bracco (I) & Alfonso Rolfo (I): Ferrari 250S: 5h 11m 52s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 1h 17m 11s
Index of Performance
Luciano Gianni (I) & Mario Raboni (I): Fiat 500 Superba
1953
GP Campari
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 340MM: 10h 37m 19s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Juan Manuel Fangio (RA) & Giulio Sala (I): Alfa Romeo 6c 3000CM: 29m 33s
Index of Performance
Bruno Venezian (I) & Achille Albarelli (I): Osca MT4
1954
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
PieroTaruffi (I): Lancia D24: 5h 30m 19s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Luigi Musso (I) & Augusto Zocca (I): Maserati A6GCS: 5h 51m 09s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Bruno Venezian (I) & Massimo Orlandi (I): Maserati A6GCS: 6m 09s
Index of Performance
Mario Cipolla (I) & Luigi Brioschi (I): ISO Isetta
GP Nuvolari
Alberto Ascari (I): Lancia D24: 44m 08s: 112.066 mph
1955
GP Campari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR: 10h 07m 48s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Siro Sbraci (I): Maserati A6GCS: 41s
Index of Performance
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR
GP Nuvolari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR : 39m 54s: 123.339 mph
1956
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 41m 30s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 58m 20s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Wolfgang Siedel (D) & Helmut Glockler (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 32s
Index of Performance
Maurice Michy (F): Alpine A106
GP Nuvolari
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 46m 49s: 105.087 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Georges Guyot (F): Jaguar XK140
1957
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Umberto Maglioli (I): Porsche 550RS: 5s
Index of Performance
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT
GP Nuvolari
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT: 39m 43s: 123.908 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Tommy Wisdom (GB): Cecil Winby (GB): Austin Healey 100S
This is the list of special awards that I referred to in my earlier posting.
As you say the GP Nuvolari was added in '54 to mark Nuvolari's death the year before, and was for the fastest driver from Cremona to Brescia via Mantua, his home town.
The GP Campari was either for each half of the race (Brescia to Rome and Rome to Brescia) in some years and for the whole race in others ('53, '55). Obviously, for those 2 years the winner/time for the GP Campari was the same as for the whole event, so I am not sure of the point of it.
There was no info that I could see at the Mille Miglia museum about either the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' or the Index of Performance. The winners times of the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' range from 1h 17m 11s in 1952 down to 5 seconds in 1957. I ghave no idea what it was for, but there is a strong chance that someone else will, and will post more information.
Chris
Special Awards
1950
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 55m 45s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 43m 35s
1951
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 7h 18m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 5h 31m 23s
1952
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 6h 45m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giovanni Bracco (I) & Alfonso Rolfo (I): Ferrari 250S: 5h 11m 52s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 1h 17m 11s
Index of Performance
Luciano Gianni (I) & Mario Raboni (I): Fiat 500 Superba
1953
GP Campari
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 340MM: 10h 37m 19s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Juan Manuel Fangio (RA) & Giulio Sala (I): Alfa Romeo 6c 3000CM: 29m 33s
Index of Performance
Bruno Venezian (I) & Achille Albarelli (I): Osca MT4
1954
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
PieroTaruffi (I): Lancia D24: 5h 30m 19s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Luigi Musso (I) & Augusto Zocca (I): Maserati A6GCS: 5h 51m 09s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Bruno Venezian (I) & Massimo Orlandi (I): Maserati A6GCS: 6m 09s
Index of Performance
Mario Cipolla (I) & Luigi Brioschi (I): ISO Isetta
GP Nuvolari
Alberto Ascari (I): Lancia D24: 44m 08s: 112.066 mph
1955
GP Campari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR: 10h 07m 48s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Siro Sbraci (I): Maserati A6GCS: 41s
Index of Performance
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR
GP Nuvolari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR : 39m 54s: 123.339 mph
1956
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 41m 30s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 58m 20s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Wolfgang Siedel (D) & Helmut Glockler (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 32s
Index of Performance
Maurice Michy (F): Alpine A106
GP Nuvolari
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 46m 49s: 105.087 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Georges Guyot (F): Jaguar XK140
1957
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Umberto Maglioli (I): Porsche 550RS: 5s
Index of Performance
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT
GP Nuvolari
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT: 39m 43s: 123.908 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Tommy Wisdom (GB): Cecil Winby (GB): Austin Healey 100S
Chris thanks. GP Nuvolari was (?) the fastest Mantova to Brescia??
And now for the other awards..
Michael
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Hi Michael
This is the list of special awards that I referred to in my earlier posting.
As you say the GP Nuvolari was added in '54 to mark Nuvolari's death the year before, and was for the fastest driver from Cremona to Brescia via Mantua, his home town.
The GP Campari was either for each half of the race (Brescia to Rome and Rome to Brescia) in some years and for the whole race in others ('53, '55). Obviously, for those 2 years the winner/time for the GP Campari was the same as for the whole event, so I am not sure of the point of it.
There was no info that I could see at the Mille Miglia museum about either the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' or the Index of Performance. The winners times of the GP 'Giornale di Brescia' range from 1h 17m 11s in 1952 down to 5 seconds in 1957. I ghave no idea what it was for, but there is a strong chance that someone else will, and will post more information.
Chris
Special Awards
1950
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 55m 45s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 195S: 6h 43m 35s
1951
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 7h 18m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Gigo Villoresi (I) & Pasquale Cassani (I): Ferrari 340: 5h 31m 23s
1952
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 6h 45m 55s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Giovanni Bracco (I) & Alfonso Rolfo (I): Ferrari 250S: 5h 11m 52s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Karl Kling (D) & Hans Klenk (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 1h 17m 11s
Index of Performance
Luciano Gianni (I) & Mario Raboni (I): Fiat 500 Superba
1953
GP Campari
Giannino Marzotto (I) & Marco Crosara (I): Ferrari 340MM: 10h 37m 19s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Juan Manuel Fangio (RA) & Giulio Sala (I): Alfa Romeo 6c 3000CM: 29m 33s
Index of Performance
Bruno Venezian (I) & Achille Albarelli (I): Osca MT4
1954
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
PieroTaruffi (I): Lancia D24: 5h 30m 19s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Luigi Musso (I) & Augusto Zocca (I): Maserati A6GCS: 5h 51m 09s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Bruno Venezian (I) & Massimo Orlandi (I): Maserati A6GCS: 6m 09s
Index of Performance
Mario Cipolla (I) & Luigi Brioschi (I): ISO Isetta
GP Nuvolari
Alberto Ascari (I): Lancia D24: 44m 08s: 112.066 mph
1955
GP Campari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR: 10h 07m 48s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Siro Sbraci (I): Maserati A6GCS: 41s
Index of Performance
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR
GP Nuvolari
Stirling Moss (GB): Denis Jenkinson (GB): Mercedes Benz 300SLR : 39m 54s: 123.339 mph
1956
GP Campari (Brescia - Rome)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 41m 30s
GP Campari (Rome - Brescia)
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 5h 58m 20s
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Wolfgang Siedel (D) & Helmut Glockler (D): Mercedes Benz 300SL: 32s
Index of Performance
Maurice Michy (F): Alpine A106
GP Nuvolari
Eugenio Castellotti (I): Ferrari 290MM: 46m 49s: 105.087 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Georges Guyot (F): Jaguar XK140
1957
GP 'Giornale di Brescia'
Umberto Maglioli (I): Porsche 550RS: 5s
Index of Performance
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT
GP Nuvolari
Olivier Gendebien (B): Jaques Washer (B): Ferrari 250 GT: 39m 43s: 123.908 mph
Sports Cars with Price Limit
Tommy Wisdom (GB): Cecil Winby (GB): Austin Healey 100S
Chris -thanks again!! CREMONA ,not Montova--sorry! I remembered that Gendebien/Washer were the absolute fastest(ever) on that stretch in the Ferrari TdF.
Years ago I tried to contact 'Giornale di Brescia' (still existing daily), but no-one answered or was interested!!
Best regards Michael
