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#1351 Option1

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 17:19

Exactly so, Rob.  Well said.

 

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#1352 elansprint72

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 21:34

I've been weighing up the pros and cons of the Df and, whilst I very much like the look of the thing, I've come to the conclusion that it is a bit daft! For myself and, I guess, for most of you too, a camera is just a tool to do a job. As an ex-member of the Leica forum I know all about fan-boys who could not take a decent photograph to save their lives and use their camera as a badge of wealth but, from what I've seen and read on this forum, we ain't about that.

So; on the plus side: to a bloke my age it looks like a "proper" camera, the controls appear to be pretty well thought out, are lockable and seem to have sensibly-weighted detents. all Nikon lenses, since day one, will fit (apart from a very few specialist tools, of which probably none are still in use anywhere). It is not physically oversized or weighty, there is no flimsy pop-up flash on top. Technically it has all the good bits of the D4 in a less costly casing.

 

Cons: it comes with a useless kit lens (UK, not USA) which existing Nikon owners would not require. Price seems high, compared to other Nikon products with same/better capabilities., e.g. it will not shoot video (whilst this last point does not matter to me, the Broadcast Quality video capability of the D800 is truly amazing). Ergonomics- it has taken a 30-year step back in time; modern technology has allowed production of shapes which conform to the human hand which simply were not available back "in the day", we had to mould our hands to fit the tool, rather than the other way around. Silver finish; rather than being chrome electro-plated on brass, it is spray "chrome paint" on magnesium- given the bashing and banging that working cameras get, instead of looking as attractive as a pair of old jeans, it will look simply tired. Black finish too, speckle paint on white magnesium- not good.

 

It will be interesting to read comments from folks who have used these tools in live situations but that will not be for some time. DP Review seem to have had limited use of one and the most telling comment for me was:

"... although I hate to say it: from a cold, hard practical point of view, I can't shake the feeling that the Df is a little bit... silly. Hardcore Nikon fans will point to the support for 50 year-old non-Ai lenses, which is valid, but I suspect that the constituency of photographers for whom this is a real selling point is vanishingly small."



#1353 Option1

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 17:39

I agree, Pete.  However, I can't help but feel somewhat tempted by it simply because of the looks.  Fortunately for me, that temptation doesn't extend to making me break out the credit card.

 

Neil



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 18:19


Silver finish; rather than being chrome electro-plated on brass, it is spray "chrome paint" on magnesium- given the bashing and banging that working cameras get, instead of looking as attractive as a pair of old jeans, it will look simply tired. Black finish too, speckle paint on white magnesium- not good.

 

 

I fear you could be right about your Df wear and tear fears, but surely Nikon must have thought of that, and is the construction all that much different to my beloved F4? That's built around a similar cast aluminium chassis, mine dates from 1991, I still have the original invoice for about £1,200, which seemed a lot at the time, but can't be all that different to £2,800 today. My F4 has had a fair amount of use, almost daily at one time, and because I loved it and looked after it, it still looks almost as good as new. It was dropped once, broke the plastic prism housing, and it took Nikon a couple of months to supply a replacement, but all in all it's worn remarkably well. A lovely piece of kit, just about my favourite of all the Nikons I've owned, don't think I'll ever part with it, I'm hanging on in the hope that 35mm will make a comeback some day.

 


 



#1355 elansprint72

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 21:30

Some interesting views on the BJP website:

 

http://www.bjp-onlin...e-df-retro-dslr



#1356 kayemod

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 23:31

Some interesting views on the BJP website:

 

http://www.bjp-onlin...e-df-retro-dslr

 

Yes, and some very telling comments, not too far different from what we've been saying on here.

 

I particularly liked : "We wait an age for a camera which behaves like a classic camera rather than a gameboy toy and they make it into an overpriced fashion accessory for those with more money than sense."


 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 18:14

I'll see you in the queue for the D400, Neil (or whatever the D300's replacement is called - mine will certainly be a tough act to follow).

 

About the Df.  One of the features that appeals to this Luddite is its ability to use non-AI Nikon lenses without damaging its internals, something no other digi Nikon has been able to do to date. Having a drawer full of such things that still work beautifully on my F2 on its occasional outings is somewhat frustrating.  And no, I don't mind doing my own focussing, rather than leaving it to the electrickery.



#1358 elansprint72

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:57

On being in the right place at the right time:

 

Mrs T and myself were at an event celebrating the Tour de France in Nice; I was trying to compose a shot including the sun and the Belle Epoque beach sign when, in a one-off curving pass along the bay comes the Patouille de France... then they were gone.

 

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As Inspector Clouseau said "All my moves are planned"..... if only that were the case!



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 13:44

On being in the right place at the right time:

 

As Inspector Clouseau said "All my moves are planned"..... if only that were the case!

 

You just never know when this kind of thing is going to happen do you? Here's one I took earlier this year, it's a special command performance by the Red Arrows en route to Silverstone on the day of the British GP. Wife and I were out walking in the Peak District, I heard a roar, looked up, and saw this lot about to fly overhead, I wasn't prepared and only just managed to grab a quickie, but if the sun had been visible, I'm sure you'll all agree that it's better than Pete's lucky show-offy snap.

 

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...if only!

 

This bloody forum! Why does my pic appear in the edit box, but disappears when save and return to TNF? Just talk among yourselves for a moment, I'll have another go in a few minutes, mutter, mutter...


Edited by kayemod, 03 December 2013 - 13:48.


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Posted 03 December 2013 - 14:14

 

As Inspector Clouseau said "All my moves are planned"..... if only that were the case!

As Louis Pasteur once said (and Ansel Adams quoted him when discussing his Moonrise image), "Chance favours the prepared mind." :up:



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 15:03

 

 

This bloody forum! Why does my pic appear in the edit box, but disappears when save and return to TNF? Just talk among yourselves for a moment, I'll have another go in a few minutes, mutter, mutter...

 

It's weird how that happens. Just refresh the page and the photo should appear. It's been a problem for a while.



#1362 elansprint72

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 15:25

You just never know when this kind of thing is going to happen do you? Here's one I took earlier this year, it's a special command performance by the Red Arrows en route to Silverstone on the day of the British GP. Wife and I were out walking in the Peak District, I heard a roar, looked up, and saw this lot about to fly overhead, I wasn't prepared and only just managed to grab a quickie, but if the sun had been visible, I'm sure you'll all agree that it's better than Pete's lucky show-offy snap.

 

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...if only!

 

This bloody forum! Why does my pic appear in the edit box, but disappears when save and return to TNF? Just talk among yourselves for a moment, I'll have another go in a few minutes, mutter, mutter...

Perfect! but you need to photoshop in a Swordfish in to the empty slot! What is the "big one"? edit: VC10?

I've got a grab shot somewhere with ten Red Arrows taking off together, apparently they usually have a spare aircraft along but it drops off the formation before arriving at the event.

The flipside: how often have you said "I wish I'd had a camera"? :(

 

The delay in the posting of snaps is just another reason why folks can't be arsed with this crappy software that has been foist upon us.


Edited by elansprint72, 03 December 2013 - 15:31.


#1363 elansprint72

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 15:29

Here it is! I think they might have taken off from Bournemouth; somewhere on the S. Coast, anyway. The mucky spots are lots of birds.

 

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 16:19

Perfect! but you need to photoshop in a Swordfish in to the empty slot! What is the "big one"? edit: VC10?

 

It's an Airbus A330 Voyager, the RAF use them as tankers, replacing the old VC10s. They refuel from two underwing pods using a trailing hose



#1365 Peter Darley

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 21:15

It's an Airbus A330 Voyager, the RAF use them as tankers, replacing the old VC10s. They refuel from two underwing pods using a trailing hose

The A 330 has engines mounted under the wings, cannot see them in shot. I'd stick with the VC 10 !



#1366 Nick Savage

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:08

VC10, no question about that. The most popular aeroplane with passengers of its era. When I worked for the late and much-lamented British Caledonian Airways, they had just gone out of mainstream service and we looked after a Gulf-based executive version. Lovely, lovely aircraft.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 14:20

Apologies if this has been posted.

 

'The Spirit of Brooklands' - Douglas Kurn

 

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#1368 elansprint72

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 17:44

Well, it beats going to Liverpool for Christmas shopping!

 

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 22:05

This forum seems to have fallen flat on it's arse in the last few months; however, there's no reason why this thread should.

I'm looking forward to my 44th season of Motor Sports photography (eeeek!). My little exhibition has been and gone and now it's time for sorting out accreditations, planning where to be and when (seeing how many week-ends away I reasonably expect to get a pass-out from THE BOSS), deciding that even if I bought a new camera, lens, whatever it would not make me take better "snaps" and all that stuff that photographers do.

I seem to remember that when I started this thread it was for everyone to post on, not just those of us lucky enough to be on the right/wrong side of the fence; I didn't know how things would pan out but here we are, 28 "pages" later, we've had some super photos; keep 'em coming, old, new, whatever.

 

I've been buggering about with arty-farty automotive stuff for the last few years; here is an example from the latest exhibition; taken in my garage on the day we dragged the red car in there.

 

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Best wishes to all for the coming season.  :smoking:



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:25

"New" lens has arrived; I'm now waiting delivery of a matching 24mm example. :)

Roll on the 2014 season.

 

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#1371 elansprint72

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 16:53

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#1372 elansprint72

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 17:01

Le Mans Classic- not long now!

 

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#1373 D_M_J

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:58

I don't visit, or post, on this forum enough.  But this thread is usually where I head first... for a bit of proper photography.

 

^^^Your black and whites always have a great (consistent) style, do keep posting them, especially when Le Mans comes round again.....

 

Cheers,

David



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 19:08

I don't visit, or post, on this forum enough.  But this thread is usually where I head first... for a bit of proper photography.

 

^^^Your black and whites always have a great (consistent) style, do keep posting them, especially when Le Mans comes round again.....

 

Cheers,

David

Thanks David, I try my best!

 

If any of you folks have not visited David's website, I would urge you to do so: not only fabulous photographs, of top quality but excellent illustrations too. I am seriously jealous.



#1375 elansprint72

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 20:19

Ten years ago, at the one-off  "Aintree Revival".  If only.

 

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 20:21

Thanks David, I try my best!

 

If any of you folks have not visited David's website, I would urge you to do so.

Excellent advice, thank you! :up:



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 20:25

Ghosts at Tatts Corner.

 

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 20:47

Not long until June....

 

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Posted 19 February 2014 - 12:51

Thanks David, I try my best!

 

If any of you folks have not visited David's website, I would urge you to do so: not only fabulous photographs, of top quality but excellent illustrations too. I am seriously jealous.

Thanks Pete, much appreciated.  Oh, please don't look at my photography website too closely... its long overdue an update ;)  Something to do between now and the season start I guess!



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 21:34

The evenings are getting lighter.....  

 

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Soon the new season starts...

 

 

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#1381 Bloggsworth

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 22:12

Seeing all those Elans parked in a row reminded me of my first day at work over 50 years ago...



#1382 Option1

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 19:34

Thanks David, I try my best!

 

If any of you folks have not visited David's website, I would urge you to do so: not only fabulous photographs, of top quality but excellent illustrations too. I am seriously jealous.

Thanks for the tip, Pete!

 

And thank you, David for the excellent photographs.  I've only had a chance to do a quick skim through of one gallery, but will spend some time over the next few days as I recover from an arthroscopy on my knee going through in more detail and admiration. I particularly love the pit/static shots.  They've given me some ideas to steal/borrow for if/when I finally get back to do some shooting again.  ;)

Neil


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 23:30

Got my D600 back from Nikon, hopefully the horrible oil splatter will have been fixed, only time and long pans on light backgrounds will tell.

 

Just need some racing to put in front of it...



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:44

Thanks for the tip, Pete!

 

And thank you, David for the excellent photographs.  I've only had a chance to do a quick skim through of one gallery, but will spend some time over the next few days as I recover from an arthroscopy on my knee going through in more detail and admiration. I particularly love the pit/static shots.  They've given me some ideas to steal/borrow for if/when I finally get back to do some shooting again.  ;)

Neil

 

Thanks Neil, and hope your back to full fitness again soon!

 

The pit/paddock shots are what I've enjoyed shooting most the last few years, can be a bit more creative.  I don't seem to have as many ideas for this year though, as I usually do, which is a bit of a worry... Still time yet though, I've got until May before my first event.

 

Looking forward to Curborough....

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Cheers,

David



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 22:00

I've just realised why manual exposure doesn't seem to want to come naturally to me these days.

 

The lack of an aperture ring (on my Nikon lenses).

 

It's a poor excuse for not using manual, and now I've thought about it, I'm sure I'll get over it.

 

I might see if I can do something with the Fn button.

 

Richard



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Posted 09 March 2014 - 23:18

I've just realised why manual exposure doesn't seem to want to come naturally to me these days.

 

The lack of an aperture ring (on my Nikon lenses).

 

It's a poor excuse for not using manual, and now I've thought about it, I'm sure I'll get over it.

 

I might see if I can do something with the Fn button.

 

Richard

There should be dial to spin (front of grip?) to adjust the aperture.



#1387 swintex

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:04

There should be dial to spin (front of grip?) to adjust the aperture.

Sorry, very poor post by me. I knew what I meant, but didn't make it clear in my post.

 

There is indeed a dial. In manual mode it adjusts the shutter speed, and in conjunction with the exposure compensation button, the aperture. Nikon D5200 BTW.

 

It's not having two separate controls, a dial for the shutter and a ring for the aperture that I think is linked to my reluctance to use manual.

 

It just doesn't feel natural to me. I must try harder.

 

Richard



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:42

I must try harder.

Or pick up some old Nikon lenses, which will still work perfectly well with your new body, and put the aperture right back where it should be. :yawnface:



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 12:47

Or pick up some old Nikon lenses, which will still work perfectly well with your new body, and put the aperture right back where it should be. :yawnface:

That's a very good idea Peter, sadly, I doubt very much that my wife would agree.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 16:39

I've just realised why manual exposure doesn't seem to want to come naturally to me these days.

 

The lack of an aperture ring (on my Nikon lenses).

 

It's a poor excuse for not using manual, and now I've thought about it, I'm sure I'll get over it.

 

I might see if I can do something with the Fn button.

 

Richard

 

I turned up at CityLit to do some "People Pictures", and produced a Weston Euromaster when we were advised to use "Manual" for one element of the course - Some of the younger photographers thought that they had strayed into the Antiques Roadshow...


Edited by Bloggsworth, 10 March 2014 - 16:40.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 17:37

I turned up at CityLit to do some "People Pictures", and produced a Weston Euromaster when we were advised to use "Manual" for one element of the course - Some of the younger photographers thought that they had strayed into the Antiques Roadshow...

 

I know several reasonably proficient photographers with proper cameras who have never gone beyond their equipment's programme modes, one with an expensive Canon of some kind was astonished when I tried to explain a few of the camera's features to him, and I know very little about the Canon range. Turned out he'd never gone beyond the "quick-start" leaflet that came with the thing, he hadn't even had a cursory look at the proper manual.



#1392 PCC

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 19:53

That's a very good idea Peter, sadly, I doubt very much that my wife would agree.

Yes, that can be a problem... I haven't quite figured out why the market isn't flooded with dirt-cheap, used, manual-focus Nikkor lenses, since they are regrded by many as quaint antiquities. But for some reason, bargains are disappointingly hard to find. It could be because those who have owned the lenses for decades are hanging on to them and still using them - come to think of it, that's what I did!



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:38

Sorry, very poor post by me. I knew what I meant, but didn't make it clear in my post.

 

There is indeed a dial. In manual mode it adjusts the shutter speed, and in conjunction with the exposure compensation button, the aperture. Nikon D5200 BTW.

 

It's not having two separate controls, a dial for the shutter and a ring for the aperture that I think is linked to my reluctance to use manual.

 

It just doesn't feel natural to me. I must try harder.

 

Richard

My D300 has a seperate, dedicated aperture dial. I though maybe your rig did too.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:59

My D300 has a seperate, dedicated aperture dial. I though maybe your rig did too.

'fraid not, just the one.

 

 ...manual-focus Nikkor lenses...

And that's another thing about (a lot of) modern AF lenses, the focus rings are often really not very nice at all.

 

Particularly the ones that are capable of infinite rotation. I suppose that can make for quicker AF if the computer knows it can go the shortest direction.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:29

How are you lot posting pics on here now? I had an e-mail from Imageshack a couple of months ago telling me that within two or three weeks I was going to have to pay a monthly fee to continue using their service, and after that I thought that maybe older Imageshack pics I'd posted in the past would disappear, but they don't seem to be doing that. Presumably I can't post any new ones on Imageshack, I've downloaded the Dropbox alternative that some recommended, but haven't tried it yet, partly because I have a deeply rooted mistrust of anything cloud-based, which I'm guessing that is. How are the rest of you getting on, is Photobucket which I've never used, a realistic alternative?

 

Have to agree with Swintex about focus rings on modern AF lenses. I only have experience of Nikons, my D300 works perfectly well in AF mode, but when I go manual, the focusing rings on my most recently acquired pair, an 18-200 and a 12-24 go slightly beyond  the infinity mark, which may explain some disappointing results I've had using manual focus for airborne pics at airshows. Slightly older Nikon AF lenses don't do this, you could turn the focusing ring all the way against the stop while looking through the viewfinder, safe in the knowledge that you were indeed on infinity, but I'm not so sure with newer lenses, I'll have to do some experimenting once it stops raining for long enough.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:54

I use www.postimage.org but it does have a picture size limit of about 3Mb - Except, of course, on this site, with IE 11... I have downloaded Firefox for the sole reason that it enables me to post pictures, cut and paste on this forum.

 

AF systems need to be able to go through the point of best focus and back again in order to "measure" the best contrast ratio, or whatever system they use, as if they were physically stopped they would not know whether it was the best focus the electronics could achieve. The auto focus systems nowadays are so good and so fast you don't actually hear it hunting, unless it is a very low contrast situation or you are nearer than the point of closest focus. When using manual focus the camera manufacturers thoughtfully provide you with a blinking light....



#1397 kayemod

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:27

I use www.postimage.org but it does have a picture size limit of about 3Mb - Except, of course, on this site, with IE 11... I have downloaded Firefox for the sole reason that it enables me to post pictures, cut and paste on this forum.

 

AF systems need to be able to go through the point of best focus and back again in order to "measure" the best contrast ratio, or whatever system they use, as if they were physically stopped they would not know whether it was the best focus the electronics could achieve. The auto focus systems nowadays are so good and so fast you don't actually hear it hunting, unless it is a very low contrast situation or you are nearer than the point of closest focus. When using manual focus the camera manufacturers thoughtfully provide you with a blinking light....

 

Thanks Bloggo, clearly a case of RTFM as far as focusing goes. That does all make sense, though I think that looking out for a blinking light whilst trying to frame and focus on a flypast at an air show is probably stretching my photographic abilities a bit too far, so I'll go back to trusting my camera's AF whilst emulating the amateurs around me. I used to feel quite superior using manual focus and shutter or aperture priority, while all the others there were making muted birdscarer noises with their little cameras set in programme mode.

 

I'm already a Firefox user, so I'll have a go with Postimage some time.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 19:38

I have never used manual focus on the D700- why would I  ;-)

 

e-bay has produced some bargain pre-AI lenses for the Nikon F (and the camera body itself, of course), patience is a virtue, it is sometimes weeks before the right lens comes up and then, someone else might bid too much for it. I've now got 24mm (brilliant lens, my new standard), 35mm (very good), 50mm (not used much but it works well), 200 (mint, fabulous) and 300 (also mint, just waiting for the season to start). Don't think that I paid more than £65 for any of these lenses.

 

Walking around the back-streets of Manchester recently I came across a group of photo-students all toting college Nikons; they were very interested in my F "cool retro camera" one of them said(!) and I had to give a demo of how the Weston V, worked- they really had no idea; the college film cameras were all auto-everything but at least they were being taught to shoot, develop and print film!

 

Uploads to here are still from flickr, although I now had to pay a subscription to keep my pro account, caused by the fall out between BT and Yahoo (previously the flickr account was part of my BT Infinity package). Like everyone else I find the need to "refresh" to see if I've uploaded the correct image a bit of a pain- but that's progress. flickr are trialling another major upgrade and it's being roundly criticised by hundreds of thousands of users- who knows if they will listen.



#1399 TimRTC

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 20:46

I dropped onto the free Flickr account, aside from a few little text ads, doesn't seem much different.

 

I used to use manual focus a lot on my Canon 350D with cheap telephoto, largely because it simply wouldn't lock onto anything, but with my Nikon D600 I never have to, not had any focus problems at all.



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#1400 D_M_J

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 20:45

Shooting motorsport, I very rarely find a need for manual focus.  When I'm taking static shots in the paddock etc. I will sometimes manual focus, or at least override the AF.  Especially when DOF is very shallow with tricky compositions, sometimes more reliable to focus manually than to focus and re-compose.

 

For a lot of my landscapes its manual, because my favourite lens is MF only, so I don't have much choice.   ;)

 

David.