Jump to content


Photo

The photographers' thread


  • Please log in to reply
1640 replies to this topic

#1601 TimRTC

TimRTC
  • Member

  • 1,197 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 01 June 2015 - 20:01

Steadily going through my absurdly unsorted and excessive archives, some very wet Aston Martin racing from Donington in July 2012 is my latest upload:

 

18328625966_9286fe3ed4_c.jpg

 

18356740941_f427bc00c2_c.jpg

 



Advertisement

#1602 Stephen W

Stephen W
  • Member

  • 12,170 posts
  • Joined: December 04

Posted 02 June 2015 - 08:31

11246182_10153335163133560_2015286729205

 

Liverpool Motor Club's Aintree Trackday on the Club Circuit.



#1603 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 02 June 2015 - 18:42

Steve, I can't get used to all those trees!



#1604 alansart

alansart
  • Member

  • 4,093 posts
  • Joined: March 07

Posted 02 June 2015 - 18:54

Steve, I can't get used to all those trees!

...and they've cut the grass!



#1605 MCS

MCS
  • Member

  • 3,617 posts
  • Joined: June 03

Posted 02 June 2015 - 21:02

Looks weird.  Happier to remember how it once was...



#1606 Stephen W

Stephen W
  • Member

  • 12,170 posts
  • Joined: December 04

Posted 03 June 2015 - 08:28

Steve, I can't get used to all those trees!

 

 

...and they've cut the grass!

 

That'll be the 9 hole golf course in the infield!

 

Just as a matter of interest the venue makes more money on the Saturday when we have either a sprint or a trackday than they do in the preceeding two weeks from the Golf Centre! However there is no way that we can prise another date out of them for another trackday.



#1607 Simon Arron

Simon Arron
  • Member

  • 2,270 posts
  • Joined: November 06

Posted 05 June 2015 - 20:06

The past captured in the present...

FC%20group%201_zpseynhrkao.jpg

 

Moss%20Anglia%201_zpshjrrs4e7.jpg

 

Paxman%20Escort%20Ward%20Firenza%202_zps

 

Plus one from Aintree during the summer of 2014...

Drury%20Kawasaki%20Mortimer%20Honda%201_


Edited by Simon Arron, 05 June 2015 - 20:06.


#1608 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 07 June 2015 - 21:07

Some days it all works out...

 

18575131885_58872a4197_c.jpg

 

 

 

EDIT: Some days it does not work out: the photo shows the June meeting of the Cheshire Lotus Owners Group, today was the July meeting. It was brilliant sunshine when the CLOGs assembled but after an hour the sky turned black and what seemed like a whirlwind started stripping leaves and twigs from the trees. I (yellow car) decided to make a dash with the roof down, as I thought I could out-run the approaching storm. Ian (white car, owned from new) is obviously wiser and put his roof up, Brain (red car was undecided when I left but the roof on an S2 is not a job of five seconds to erect). Paul (blue car) had an engine fire this morning, fortunately no damage, so quite sensibly had appeared in a modern buggy.

Well I made it half way home before the torrential rain forced me to stop, as I could not see where i was going. I wrestled the roof into place but not before I was soaked to the skin and the car was full of water! Oh how we envy the owners of such things as the Alfso Duetto with their throw-over in 2 seconds hoods! An hour later: brilliant sunshine again. :well:


Edited by elansprint72, 05 July 2015 - 20:05.


#1609 kayemod

kayemod
  • Member

  • 7,646 posts
  • Joined: August 05

Posted 07 June 2015 - 22:13

All that needed was one in Pistachio and another in Positano Yellow to complete the set.



#1610 TimRTC

TimRTC
  • Member

  • 1,197 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 03 July 2015 - 21:37

Oooh, very happy with this one, a 1/30 Porsche pan from the TOCA weekend at Oulton Park in 2013 which I have just been sorting through. My slowest, successful pan yet.

 

18768404123_aea4fa4997_c.jpg



#1611 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 17 July 2015 - 21:10

Just showing off now..................

 

19786831231_db3e9f85c6_c.jpg

 

 

:smoking:

 

I'm working on some stuff for Le Mans Classic 2016.



#1612 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 17 July 2015 - 21:44

19593772819_18c6fa331e_c.jpg

 

Come on you TNF snappers; just because this forum has gone down the pan there is no need for us to give in. As I said in my originating post:

 

"After a positive response to my suggestion for a photography thread- here it is!
This is the place to discuss Motor Sports Photography, all contributions welcome from professionals through to happy snappers. Ask your questions, state your opinions, give advice, tell bad jokes, post your photos (if they don't easily fit into one of the other threads)."

 

No minimum standard on photos, some of the best shots here have been taken on Box Brownies, etc (check out the Aussie threads). It's dead easy for those of us with the right bit of plastic around our necks to take advantage but I love the shots from the boonies too.



#1613 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 17 July 2015 - 22:15

19757370006_827cc88701_c.jpg



#1614 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 21 July 2015 - 19:51

C'mon guys...

19868369296_5970f5068b_c.jpg



#1615 john aston

john aston
  • Member

  • 946 posts
  • Joined: March 04

Posted 22 July 2015 - 05:51

Those pictures are just gorgeous ; if I took any myself I would post a couple but I stopped doing so about 15 years ago.Your Elan Sprint is stunning but don't you find all the ..ahem..decals on the windscreen a bit distracting ?

 

I do have access to some wonderful pictures of  the 1973 F1 season though - keep an eye  on Motor Sport for them.


Edited by john aston, 22 July 2015 - 05:52.


#1616 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 22 July 2015 - 09:27

Those pictures are just gorgeous ; if I took any myself I would post a couple but I stopped doing so about 15 years ago.Your Elan Sprint is stunning but don't you find all the ..ahem..decals on the windscreen a bit distracting ?

 

I do have access to some wonderful pictures of  the 1973 F1 season though - keep an eye  on Motor Sport for them.

Those decals are my sun-visor!  ;)



#1617 kayemod

kayemod
  • Member

  • 7,646 posts
  • Joined: August 05

Posted 22 July 2015 - 09:41

Those decals are my sun-visor!  ;)

 

Sun?

 

Oop north??



#1618 oldclassiccar

oldclassiccar
  • Member

  • 246 posts
  • Joined: July 05

Posted 22 July 2015 - 18:46

A few from VSCC Oulton Park last weekend, not all action shots though ... :-/

 

o5.jpg

 

o4.jpg

 

o6.jpg

 

o11.jpg

 

o18.jpg

 

o28.jpg

 

o67.jpg

 

o102.jpg

 

RJ



#1619 Morris S

Morris S
  • Member

  • 238 posts
  • Joined: February 09

Posted 22 July 2015 - 21:49

After morning showers at Shelsley Classic on Sunday not everybody was happy to see the sun come out.....

 

 

 

 

   

Shelsley%202015%20049_zpse24xarsc.jpg


Edited by Morris S, 22 July 2015 - 23:17.


Advertisement

#1620 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 10 August 2015 - 19:18

It's almost Gold Cup time!

 

8457105732_dc7efea05c_c.jpg


Edited by elansprint72, 10 August 2015 - 19:18.


#1621 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 10 August 2015 - 19:54

I've been reflecting on how motor sport photography has changed over my life-time. Camera technology seems to have transformed the sort of photographs which get published and we now all have different expectations. Digital imaging has taken a lot of skill out of the job; when I started out two films per meeting was the norm, motor-drives were rather unusual, lenses were far shorter, even the absolute top few snappers used not much more than 200mm and often 135mm was the max.

If you look at the shot of the Elan, in my post above, apart from my having "aged" the image, the way it closely frames just one car is typical of what we see in magazines today. Looking back at Motor Sport/Autosport magazines, etc. from the fifties then the images looked more like this:

 

20279518559_840ab531a9_c.jpg

 

 OK, not a perfect example, as the cars are blurred but... it was far more common to include the cars as part of a scene.

 

I'm going to try to shoot more "motor racing scenes" as an experiment. I'll have to do the close-in work too, as Mr Pictures Editor these days wants that sort of thing, unfortunately.

 

Discuss!



#1622 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 10 August 2015 - 20:06

20472923351_f9f1e93203_c.jpg



#1623 TimRTC

TimRTC
  • Member

  • 1,197 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 10 August 2015 - 20:56

These last two are good shots.

 

Personally I like the wide shots, the ones that get the audience and scene in, captures the feel a lot more. I am as guilty as others as trying to get the ultra-close-up, slow-shutter speed 'trackside photographer' shot, but they don't really tell a story without a caption or text next to them.



#1624 kayemod

kayemod
  • Member

  • 7,646 posts
  • Joined: August 05

Posted 10 August 2015 - 22:15

These last two are good shots.

 

Personally I like the wide shots, the ones that get the audience and scene in, captures the feel a lot more. I am as guilty as others as trying to get the ultra-close-up, slow-shutter speed 'trackside photographer' shot, but they don't really tell a story without a caption or text next to them.

 

Like many here I still have a clear memory lots of photos I saw a years ago, and it's the wide shots encompassing an entire scene that endure. As an example, one such was a street scene in a small town near Reims, the Mercedes W196 streamliners were arriving for the 1954 French Grand Prix. The cars themselves are almost incidental, but the expressions of the silent onlookers speak volumes, all the older ones would have clear memories of German occupation in the not too distant past. It's a haunting image, a great piece of photo journalism, maybe someone cleverer than me with Google can unearth it, it's a piece of history.



#1625 Alan Cox

Alan Cox
  • Member

  • 7,900 posts
  • Joined: March 03

Posted 11 August 2015 - 08:54

If you look at the shot of the Elan, in my post above, apart from my having "aged" the image, the way it closely frames just one car is typical of what we see in magazines today. Looking back at Motor Sport/Autosport magazines, etc. from the fifties then the images looked more like this:

 

How true, Pete. In 90% of photos printed in motor sport magazines these days I defy anyone to tell where they were taken



#1626 Stephen W

Stephen W
  • Member

  • 12,170 posts
  • Joined: December 04

Posted 11 August 2015 - 09:48

How true, Pete. In 90% of photos printed in motor sport magazines these days I defy anyone to tell where they were taken

 

I think this is partially due to the increase in numbers of photos used coupled with a lot of magazines payment scales - the smaller the photo the less they payout!

 

11813243_10153507237563560_2129715817830

 

This would be a prime image for cropping. [Iain Stallard (TVR Vixen) at Museum, Loton Park, Shropshire.]



#1627 dwh43scale

dwh43scale
  • Member

  • 209 posts
  • Joined: December 08

Posted 11 August 2015 - 12:50

Interesting, especially around the payment piece.

 

Whilst the wider shot definitely has its place and can very effective, I find myself cropping a lot of photos to get rid of scaffolding grandstands, bright orange clothed marshals (wonderful folk, without whom we could not enjoy our photography / motorsport) and other stuff that detracts from the primary subject.

 

I've tried to link my most recent set of photos from VSCC Prescott where a fair number have been cropped to get close ups of the drivers / cars; hopefully to good effect. (If the link does not work, look me up on Flickr as DWH38).

 

Found the sunshine and shade from the trees interesting - not usually a problem at Silverstone !

 

https://flic.kr/s/aHskh6Bcp8 



#1628 TimRTC

TimRTC
  • Member

  • 1,197 posts
  • Joined: March 12

Posted 12 August 2015 - 08:37

Since browsing a lot of 80s motorsports photos on Flickr I've started taking a lot more photos with background in, photos of the paddock and facilities at circuits. Trying to get crowds in as well where possible.

 

I've been putting some of my photos together in printed photo albums for each year, with the format throughout of a page with a selection of small photos from the event, followed by a large full-page image, I realised that at a lot of events I only took interchangable close-ups that could be in free-practice, qualifying or the race and were not very meaningful even if they looked pretty impressive.

 

So I make sure to supplement them with wide shots, usually of the first laps when there are good packs, trying to get in the scale of the race and the crowds. This is one of my favourites from this summer at Oulton:

 

18411180320_4b936fa955.jpg

 

I feel it captures the current impressive grid and the large crowds following the BTCC as well as the great weather on the day.



#1629 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 23 August 2015 - 19:36

Digital photography can make you lazy. :well:   With my Nikon D700 I always use auto-focus; why would I not, it does it better than I can... instantly. However, I really ought to set the ISO speed, well at least the minimum value. I have it set to automatically adjust between ISO 200- ISO 6400 and, if it is bright enough (normal situation)  it will default to ISO 200; I manually set the shutter speed and leave the aperture to it's own devices. This means that, as seen in the shot below, the depth of focus can be rather narrow- a smaller aperture than f6.3 would have allowed both the radiator ERA badge and the driver's eyes to be pin-sharp; to achieve that I should have limited the auto ISO to 400, or above. :rolleyes:

 

20822626965_a4d9919a0a_c.jpg


Edited by elansprint72, 23 August 2015 - 19:38.


#1630 MCS

MCS
  • Member

  • 3,617 posts
  • Joined: June 03

Posted 23 August 2015 - 20:57

Lovely shot (apart from the "spaceman" driving).  More please Pete, when you are ready... :up:



#1631 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 23 August 2015 - 21:44

Lovely shot (apart from the "spaceman" driving).  More please Pete, when you are ready... :up:

I wish the VSCC would mandate black helmets only! They are far less obtrusive.  ;)



#1632 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 23 August 2015 - 21:55

Here's another example, of my crap use of depth of field- look and learn you photographers. Had I upped the ISO then there would have been enough range of DoF to get both cars sharp. Doh!

 

20204887613_1327f74558_h.jpg



#1633 GMACKIE

GMACKIE
  • Member

  • 2,136 posts
  • Joined: January 11

Posted 23 August 2015 - 22:19

Geez I love looking at Pete's "crap use of depth of field" photos .  ;)

 

Have to agree with MCS, though...the helmets spoil things a bit.


Edited by GMACKIE, 23 August 2015 - 22:23.


#1634 PCC

PCC
  • Member

  • 543 posts
  • Joined: August 06

Posted 24 August 2015 - 00:09

Here's another example, of my crap use of depth of field- look and learn you photographers.

Why Pete, you're sounding almost amateurish! A real professional would have posted that image and bragged about the use of 'selective' depth of field...  ;)



#1635 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted 25 August 2015 - 23:43

Why Pete, you're sounding almost amateurish! A real professional would have posted that image and bragged about the use of 'selective' depth of field...  ;)

:lol:

Thanks to both you and Greg for commenting. When I started this thread it was,sort of, in the hope of encouraging folks to learn by my mistakes.

imho Too much motoring photography these days is snap-shot work, rather than fine art-photography.

 

Whatever... here's a bloke who cold drive a car and had the time to blow kisses at handily-placed photographers. We'll not see his like again.

 

20883793125_f177c85b34_o.jpg



#1636 launchpad

launchpad
  • Member

  • 123 posts
  • Joined: December 08

Posted 26 August 2015 - 04:42

Here are a few of my shots from the 1968 Tasman Series to show that the "feel" of the occasion is as important as the car. Is this the indefinable "art" of photography?
 
1968TASMANWARWICKFARMCLARKTALKSTOSTIRLIN

1968TASMANSURFERSJIMCLARKCHRISAMONREPCOH

1968TASMANWARWICKFARMJIMCLARKANDGRAHAMHI

‚Äč
All photos copyright RodMackenzieCollection.com



#1637 elansprint72

elansprint72
  • Member

  • 3,469 posts
  • Joined: September 08

Posted Yesterday, 21:40

Rod, you are singing from the same sheet! Thanks for posting- show us more.

 

Pete.



#1638 Graham Gauld

Graham Gauld
  • Member

  • 1,149 posts
  • Joined: September 04

Posted Today, 05:31

Pete

 

Digital photography making you lazy: how true. As I am trying to file more than sixty years of photographing racing cars I am constantly shocked to remember how difficult it was to take good motor racing photographs with 1950s equipment. As you say, if you had a 135 lens you were in the big time. Also focusing my original Leica II meant squinting through the viewfinder and trying to get two images to overlap.

As for exposure the exposure meters of the time were not particularly accurate unless you had a Weston and that was big time. You learned to read the light. Then there was film, Kodachrome rated at around 78 ASA was not much good on a dull day with flat light.

It is little wonder we marvelled at the photos of Louis Klementaski for he was a true artist.Many years later when I got to know Louis I once asked him about the lenses he used on his Leicas when he did the Mille Miglia with Peter Collins. He had a 35mm on one and a standard 50mm F2 Summar lens on the other. With the confidence of one "photographer" to another I said that I had an F2 Summar lens and found it "soft". He looked at me steadily, patted my arm and said "............but I am a professional".  

I have been on digital for about fourteen years now and agree, it makes you lazy and the concept of "composition" goes out of the window.Like you I could do a grand prix with two rolls of film (72 pictures) and usually get enough of the key cars and moments.but today one "professional" photographer proudly told me he shot nearly 3000 pictures at a grand prix. Any idiot can do that.

Excuse my whilst I crawl back into my cave !!!!

Interesting comments.



#1639 Peter Darley

Peter Darley
  • Member

  • 266 posts
  • Joined: September 06

Posted Today, 07:37

Pete

 

Digital photography making you lazy: how true. As I am trying to file more than sixty years of photographing racing cars I am constantly shocked to remember how difficult it was to take good motor racing photographs with 1950s equipment. As you say, if you had a 135 lens you were in the big time. Also focusing my original Leica II meant squinting through the viewfinder and trying to get two images to overlap.

As for exposure the exposure meters of the time were not particularly accurate unless you had a Weston and that was big time. You learned to read the light. Then there was film, Kodachrome rated at around 78 ASA was not much good on a dull day with flat light.

It is little wonder we marvelled at the photos of Louis Klementaski for he was a true artist.Many years later when I got to know Louis I once asked him about the lenses he used on his Leicas when he did the Mille Miglia with Peter Collins. He had a 35mm on one and a standard 50mm F2 Summar lens on the other. With the confidence of one "photographer" to another I said that I had an F2 Summar lens and found it "soft". He looked at me steadily, patted my arm and said "............but I am a professional".  

I have been on digital for about fourteen years now and agree, it makes you lazy and the concept of "composition" goes out of the window.Like you I could do a grand prix with two rolls of film (72 pictures) and usually get enough of the key cars and moments.but today one "professional" photographer proudly told me he shot nearly 3000 pictures at a grand prix. Any idiot can do that.

Excuse my whilst I crawl back into my cave !!!!

Interesting comments.

Totally agree , especially the bit about how many images you can now produce per GP. I am of the old school, having switched to digital 3 years ago, but still like to think I retain the principles under which I photographed in the Sixties, pre AE, AF, Motor Drive et al. Wait for the moment, and make every shot count. Room for one more in the cave Graham !?



Advertisement

#1640 Graham Gauld

Graham Gauld
  • Member

  • 1,149 posts
  • Joined: September 04

Posted Today, 07:45

Peter

 

There are quite a few of us. Look up John Ross's web site as he has been steadily placing many of his photos on this. When John and I used to go to the races I used to be amazed because he used a Rollieflex for racing photos which was difficult for action but superb for still low angle start line photos. He too was a professional commercial photographer and there were a lot of them about. At the same time there were many motor racing photographers, pretty well known, who were regularly published but their photos were far from exceptional. John Ross was lucky in that he photographed for the original Auto Course ( Note the original name) where they were happy to use atmospheric photos.

I have kicked some of the dirt over in a corner, Peter, come and join us.



#1641 Odseybod

Odseybod
  • Member

  • 1,188 posts
  • Joined: January 08

Posted Today, 08:54

Room in there for one more?

 

But in mitigation, I do try to shoot at least one film a month, at least during the summer, to keep my hand in (don't laugh, your local Boots will still process colour negative film, if you don't mind waiting about a week to see the results - acceptable price and quality, at least gives you a clue which ones are worth scanning and doing some work on).

 

My digi cameras are very clever, particularly in low light - but it does me good to be made to think what I'm doing occasionally, rather than just letting the electrickery sort it out.