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#24301 tifosiMac

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 20:12

Drivers are also human eh?

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#24302 Concorde

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 20:21

ps. Are you sure this isn't what you meant to say? - "Lewis is god under pressure" :)

:lol: :up:

#24303 tifosiMac

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 20:27

Are you sure this isn't what you meant to say? - "Lewis is god under pressure" :)

This is evidently hilarious, but can you explain why? Can you not make up your mind whether you like Lewis or not? I'm guessing you are really a fan as you post about him so often.;) Here it is ( :lol: )

#24304 Bonaventura

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 22:10

That is a good attitude!

ps. Are you sure this isn't what you meant to say? - "Lewis is god under pressure" :)

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.


I am serious!

#24305 Bonaventura

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 22:11

And each year that passes seems to prove me right it seems!

Maybe he has gotten it figured out as you say towards the end of last season. The one thing that may back up your theory is if Hamilton had been given the goods by the team to perform or else ..... . This seemed to be the case at Korea where Hamilton actually seemed to not want to get into the car with Whitmarsh seen coaxing him just before the race.

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if he had hit rock bottom and made a decision to change his ways then there could be hope for his 2012 season.

Ps. You are bookmarking my posts! Maybe someday you can produce a "The Best of halifaxf1fan" list.

How on earth did you come to that conclusion, Lewis did not want to get into the car?

#24306 MP422

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 23:20

How on earth did you come to that conclusion, Lewis did not want to get into the car?


+1 I would like to know as well. I think he had a brilliant race in korea too right ?

#24307 P123

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 23:27

How on earth did you come to that conclusion, Lewis did not want to get into the car?


That theory made me :rotfl: Especially just going from one picture. Still, :up: for imagination.

PS- I hope Lewis has to be coaxed into the car more often should it lead to Korean weekend performances.

Edited by P123, 08 January 2012 - 23:29.


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Posted 08 January 2012 - 23:30

That theory made me :rotfl: Especially just going from one picture. Still, :up: for imagination.

PS- I hope Lewis has to be coaxed into the car more often should it lead to Korean weekend performances.


Pfft... that's nothing. I've seen fans read his mind even with the helmet on at full speed.  ;)

#24309 P123

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 23:42

Pfft... that's nothing. I've seen fans read his mind even with the helmet on at full speed. ;)


:rotfl:

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 23:58

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.


I am serious!



So sorry Bona, no intention to offend you or the big guy in any way. Just an attempt at being humorous that didn't work!

#24311 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 00:12

How on earth did you come to that conclusion, Lewis did not want to get into the car?



Seemed like he wasn't in a racing mood! Is it common for Whitmarsh to be out talking to his drivers at that point? I haven't noticed alot of TP's doing that.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:24

Seemed like he wasn't in a racing mood! Is it common for Whitmarsh to be out talking to his drivers at that point? I haven't noticed alot of TP's doing that.

so please enlighten us at what point was that other than some point before the race which includes 10 days before.
But i will certainly take whitless taking an intrest when the result is a win
and could you also tell us what was said too as you seam so in the know it would make a big differnce to that picture if it was whitless saying "please get in the car we need you" and him saying "Hi lewis how you doing with your split"

Edited by itsademo, 09 January 2012 - 02:28.


#24313 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:54

so please enlighten us at what point was that other than some point before the race which includes 10 days before.
But i will certainly take whitless taking an intrest when the result is a win
and could you also tell us what was said too as you seam so in the know it would make a big differnce to that picture if it was whitless saying "please get in the car we need you" and him saying "Hi lewis how you doing with your split"


Unless I am mistaken that picture was taken on the grid in Korea moments before the race start.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:00

Unless I am mistaken that picture was taken on the grid in Korea moments before the race start.

but why and what was said as you seam to put so much store by that picture?

#24315 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:18

but why and what was said as you seam to put so much store by that picture?



It is an extraordinary moment shown there and it may represent a turning point for Hamilton (definitely not a casual chat nor the time for one). And as tifosiMac pointed out he had performed better at the end of the season.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 09 January 2012 - 04:11.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:53

I agree that Alonso should be watched. He is truly a force, and has no real weaknesses. No-one will ever know what was behind his meltdown in 2007, but he sure does seem to have learned from it. If Lewis can take a similar lesson from his own lapses then he will be up there with the other favourites.


I agree with you that Alonso will be a force this season. However with regards to your reference to his meltdown in 2007, I would strongly argue that his performances in the first half of 2010 were consistently far worse than his performances in 2007. Except for Canada, he actually performed very well in 2007. Just that he had a team mate in Lewis who was performing just as well.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:59

Maybe someday you can produce a "The Best of halifaxf1fan" list.


Short list then. Suggest you go for a "Worst of" list.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:00

Pfft... that's nothing. I've seen fans read his mind even with the helmet on at full speed. ;)


Seen you do that a lot. Gosh, did you just admit you're a fan of his? :eek:

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:55

Seemed like he wasn't in a racing mood! Is it common for Whitmarsh to be out talking to his drivers at that point? I haven't noticed alot of TP's doing that.

Horner does and is often seen around Vettel's car before the start of a race. He's not interviewed so often at that point because the BBC have access to him in the build up and after the race but if you watch carefully you'll often see him in the background when Brundle is pushing in. Ron Dennis used to be present alot on the grid too. I see what you are saying and Lewis was definately in a different frame of mind in Korea, but he was also on top of his game that weekend. Frustration used for his advantage maybe? He was getting a rough time in the press in the build up to the weekend and I think he was just fed up with it and it showed in his approach to being interviewed. Maybe that was a turning point for him as he got nothing but praise after the race and sent a strong message out to the doubters. He had a strong end to the season and I don't see why it shouldn't continue into this year. He seems very positive about this years car and 2012 is a clean slate. He doesn't need to think about anything from 2011 as its irrelevant to his challenge from now on. I think certain people need to let incidents in the past go and entertain the fact drivers have to move on if they are to stay competitive.

Edited by tifosiMac, 09 January 2012 - 07:56.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 16:00

Pfft... that's nothing. I've seen fans read his mind even with the helmet on at full speed. ;)


I know wahtcha mean.

Seemed like he wasn't in a racing mood!



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Posted 09 January 2012 - 16:25

Seen you do that a lot. Gosh, did you just admit you're a fan of his? :eek:

He also seems to know why fans support Ham,and surprisingly it has nothing to do with racing.Who could have such insider info?Huh? ;)

Besides the President of the Hamilton Fan Club.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 16:29

He also seems to know why fans support Ham,and surprisingly it has nothing to do with racing.Who could have such insider info?Huh?;)

Besides the President of the Hamilton Fan Club.

Typically, you just take an argument to extremes. Just because Hamilton's image is part of his appeal - that does not mean his appeal is all image. Clearly he is a top class driver too - that he has certain marketing qualities is just so much the better. Same with virtually all F1 drivers, Button included.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 17:54

Seemed like he wasn't in a racing mood! Is it common for Whitmarsh to be out talking to his drivers at that point? I haven't noticed alot of TP's doing that.

Whitmarsh uses too talk to his drivers short before the race,
I saw him giving Button a hug sometimes, but to be fair, Lewis, sometimes , too
Ron Dennis used to be there and doing it sometimes, too as he was TP

If you need some evidence look at the Abu Dhabi Race Edit on F1.com
at 00:12
It's just a split second, but you can see MW with Lewis already sitting in the cockpit there
look close between 00:11 and 00:12

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 18:41

Definitely, 2011 was the first time you could really say he wasn't good enough. I have no idea how to call it right now because I don't really know what was causing his problems. Some of these errors were small mistakes and perhaps we make them too significant? But the sheer amount of small and large on track issues became too large to ignore.

I agree he'll never win another WDC driving like he did last year

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 18:52

Just because Hamilton's image is part of his appeal - that does not mean his appeal is all image. Clearly he is a top class driver too - that he has certain marketing qualities is just so much the better. Same with virtually all F1 drivers, Button included.

Thats true, and Hamilton appeals to a wider market IMO. He was a marketers dream when he entered the sport and when people realised how good he was, his stock rocketed and he hasn't looked back. Button has his own appeal and I think alot of British people relate to him because he's charming and appears to not take himself too seriously. His dry humour and friendliness make him appear to be the type of guy most people wouldn't mind going to the pub with IMO. Not so sure about Lewis in regards to that but he is inspirational for youngsters who can see what can be achieved with a good family and a lot of hardwork. Its no wonder people consider this pair as the strongest lineup on the grid. A couple of nice guys who get on well and both know how to win a Championship. I'm looking forward to an exciting 2012 where hopefully one of the Mac drivers is a double WDC next year. Its not going to be easy with all their rivals committed, but I think it'll be a great season unlike 2011 which was decided way too early IMO.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:57

Whitmarsh uses too talk to his drivers short before the race,
I saw him giving Button a hug sometimes, but to be fair, Lewis, sometimes , too
Ron Dennis used to be there and doing it sometimes, too as he was TP

If you need some evidence look at the Abu Dhabi Race Edit on F1.com
at 00:12
It's just a split second, but you can see MW with Lewis already sitting in the cockpit there
look close between 00:11 and 00:12



How on earth were you able to come up with that? It was just for a fraction of a second!! All I can say is good eye.

#24327 Bonaventura

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 05:37

How on earth were you able to come up with that? It was just for a fraction of a second!! All I can say is good eye.

 ;) My job I remember faces (pictures), even if they only where there for a short time

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 09:35

Wow. I can't believe you haven't seen it yet. Nobody else here seems to understand that it's all been a well-developed conspiracy by the FIA, McLaren, and Force India to make Hamilton look bad on the day that Button wins his 200th GP. How is this, you ask? Allow me to go into detail.

After the 1999 F1 season, McLaren tested a young driver by the name of Jenson Button. The day he tested with McLaren, then-managing director Martin Whitmarsh sat him down for a talk. Nobody, apart from Jenson, Martin, and myself knows about this conversation (how I came about this data is classified). That very day, Whitmarsh was taken with Jenson's talent, ability, and hype, and signed a contract with the young lad which would guarantee his future superstardom at the forefront of the McLaren racing empire. According to Whitmarsh, Button had such talent that "it was almost like he could use the Force".

Though Whitmarsh had initially lobbied for Jenson to earn a race seat at McLaren alongside Mika Hakkinen, McLaren driver Coulthard vetoed the move, claiming that "next year will be my year". Thus, a crestfallen Whitmarsh was forced to wait to get his young star into a seat with the team. Whitmarsh was downcast, but didn't fall prey to the fits of stupidity that seem to come to some people who become downcast, and duly decided it would be appropriate for Jenson to earn racing experience in Formula One before his time at McLaren came.

Button signed with Williams for 2000. When he crashed his car in practice and qualified dead-last for the first race, Whitmarsh was reportedly seen running aimlessly throughout the paddock, incongruously yelling at inanimate objects. Button then did something that saved Whitmarsh from relegation to a psychiatric ward by performing strongly in the race, running as high as sixth from his lowly grid spot when his engine failed. Button's deed strengthened the relationship between the two. It was then that they hatched a plan: "Whatever happens, you'll be at McLaren for your 200th Formula One race--and you're going to win it."

The years went on. Contract complications prevented Button from driving for McLaren until 2007, when, after his first win in Hungary the previous year, it looked certain that Button would be racing for McLaren, replacing Kimi Raikkonen as its number-one driver alongside Fernando Alonso. Speculation about this was rife throughout the paddock, and only through extensive cover-up operations was this knowledge able to be kept secret. Numerous drivers also gave comments on the matter--Michael Schumacher once said, "He's a quality driver, very strong and only [26]. If he keeps this up I'm sure he will reach [McLaren]. It's something special to see a kid of his age out on the circuit. He's clearly got the right racing mentality." When asked about the rumours, Kimi Raikkonen claimed that he hadn’t heard about them. When asked why, he replied “I was having a #$&@.” The context of both of these quotes has since been changed to help keep the conspiracy a secret.

However, Ron Dennis interfered--behind Whitmarsh's back, Dennis secretly signed favourite-son Lewis Hamilton for a race seat in 2007. Whitmarsh was not seen for two weeks after this news was heard, and his position within the McLaren organisation was assumed by a carefully-selected surrogate (yours truly) until he returned from Falkland Islands. The nature of Whitmarsh's activities there are classified.

There was conflict within McLaren all throughout 2007--between Hamilton and Alonso, Alonso and Dennis, and Dennis and Whitmarsh. All of McLaren's public comments were carefully monitored by an FIA-appointed press officer (guess who?), in the interest of making certain that the team's internal struggles were not broadcast throughout the universe. By the end of 2007, when it looked almost certain that Lewis Hamilton would lay claim to the world title, Whitmarsh angrily contacted the FIA, contesting that he had information which would conclusively prove that Lewis’s contract with McLaren was invalid. Whitmarsh, seeking advice on how to handle such a situation from Alonso, subsequently blackmailed Hamilton and Dennis with legal action should Lewis win the world title. So it was proposed, through a clever engine-mapping hack developed using stolen Ferrari technology (the means through which Ferrari and subsequently McLaren obtained this hack are classified, though I can say that Ferrari has possessed such technology since 1996), that Hamilton would suffer a temporary gearbox “glitch” during that year’s finale, which would completely end his title dreams. Dennis was devastated, as was Lewis. They had no recourse against Whitmarsh.

After Fernando left the team, Whitmarsh campaigned to replace him with Button. Taking advantage of Button’s current legal situation with Honda, Dennis rushed to sign Kovalainen (this time by legal means) for two years. Whitmarsh’s attempts to hoist Button up to McLaren would irrevocably be put on hold for that amount of time. Motivated by revenge, Whitmarsh secretly became involved in an over-elaborate series of backroom deals with FIA officials, the goal of which was to prevent Lewis from winning a championship before Button came to McLaren. When Lewis won anyway in spite of heavily-biased stewarding, a violent battle occurred between Whitmarsh and Dennis, in which each attempted to kill the other through increasingly unorthodox means. Dennis was forced to retire from the company the following year as a result of this fight, after sustaining extensive injuries reportedly caused by a direct hit from a rocket launcher (provided to Whitmarsh by...). Damage to the McLaren factory caused during this fight prevented the team from completing its 2009 challenger on time, and subsequently forced the team to take a performance hit throughout the season, effectively scrapping Lewis’s title hopes for that year. Dennis’s position within the company was assumed by a carefully-selected surrogate until recently (you should know who I’m talking about by now).

In 2010, with nothing left to stop him, Whitmarsh brought Jenson Button to McLaren. At first, it looked like Button would be able to hold his own against Hamilton, but it soon became apparent that there was a threat of Hamilton eclipsing Button as Britain’s star Formula One racer. As a result, Whitmarsh and Button began to combine their efforts in an attempt to bring down Hamilton. Subtle strategy errors and rookie-like driving mistakes became a hallmark of the McLaren/Hamilton combination. The team, as well as Lewis, put these incidents down to bad luck, but only Whitmarsh and Button knew what was really going on.

Well, eventually, we got to Hungary 2011, and everything blew up big time. It was Jenson’s 200th race--the victory Whitmarsh had promised Button. For more than a decade, Button and Whitmarsh had been waiting for this day. To make the symmetry perfect for his star driver, Whitmarsh had campaigned for the FIA to amend the 2011 calendar so that Jenson’s 200th start would take place at the same track at which he had claimed his first victory. The FIA declined, and Whitmarsh was furious--Hungary would be Jenson’s 201st start. However, as you might now know, it is a trademark of Whitmarsh’s to become smarter when he is depressed. He wasn’t without a plan. In order to make Hungary Jenson’s 200th race, he would only need to get one race removed from the calendar. Taking advantage of the recent political unrest in the Middle East, Whitmarsh then ordered several McLaren-funded insurgents to begin stirring up trouble in Bahrain, the site of the first race in 2011, with the intent of getting the race canceled. The McLaren-backed, militant peace activists warned that there would be bloodshed at the race should it take place. The FIA was left with no choice but to cancel the race.

Whitmarsh then took a number of other actions to ensure Jenson would win. With the help of Jenson’s uncanny cerebral driving abilities and funding from the US government (check the stimulus bill--it’s in there somewhere), the two worked on a machine that would influence real live climate change when used correctly. They were successfully able to alter the weather patterns before the race, so it would take place in damp but drying conditions--conditions that Jenson excelled at. As the race wore on, it became apparent that Hamilton was a serious threat to Button’s victory. Then, something incredible happened.

Whitmarsh, who was normally required to approve of all strategy calls made by Lewis Hamilton and his race engineer, was at the loo when it came time for Hamilton to make a decision on his next tyre call. Hamilton was about to make the switch to the soft tyres, off of the supersofts, a switch that would undoubtedly hand him the race victory. Without Whitmarsh to stop him, Hamilton would be free to ruin the celebration Whitmarsh and Button had been planning for over a decade. However, Button was not about to allow it to happen. Harkening back to Whitmarsh’s initial suspicions over the source of Button’s true talent, Button ended all speculation over the nature of his abilities when he performed a Jedi Mind Trick on Hamilton’s race engineer when passing by the pit wall. Regarding the softs, Button allegedly said, “Those aren’t the tyres you’re looking for.”

With Hamilton on a dubious strategy, directly influenced by Button himself, Jenson was able to go on to win the race without hassle. Hamilton, baffled by the bogus strategy decision, subsequently descended into the red mist that many identify as being “a racer’s passion”. Despite his best efforts, Lewis was not able to overcome the drive-through penalty he received, and his engineers, still suffering from the effects of the Jedi Mind Trick placed upon them by the unrelenting Button, made the decision to briefly put him on inters when made to believe it was going to rain again. It was a catalogue of errors for Hamilton that day--and let me tell you, I was pretty busy editing his comments to the press afterwards.

So there you have it: the full story, straight from the horse’s mouth. In conclusion, Jenson is to blame for everything that happens to Lewis. It really has been a conspiracy organised by Button, Whitmarsh, and myself to shaft Hamilton all this time. There’s so much more I could tell you about the inner-workings of F1 (specifically, Hockenheim 2010, Singapore 2008, and Jerez 1997), but sadly, I don’t really have the time. :)

(DISCLAIMER: This post was made with the intention of lightening the thread up a bit--if it is viewed as off-topic or leads to off-topic discussion, then you have my sincerest apologies. If you're going to quote the post, don't do so with the intention of starting off-topic discussion, and please do everyone the favour of removing the majority of its subject matter so we don't have to stare at it several thousand times. :) All of the views and events expressed in this post are a fabrication of the user, and don't do a very good job of expressing the user's views--to be frank, they're an absolute load of trash. If some of these views end up offending you anyway, then all I can really say is 'get a sense of humour'. :p )

(Edited to change "Regarding the supersofts" to "Regarding the softs", as it should correctly read, lol.)


Finnaly!!! :clap:


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 14:22

This topic is now closed. Please use the Jenson vs Lewis 2012 scorecard.