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Poll: Good or bad idea? (435 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Bernie's idea of creating wet periods in races a good idea?

  1. Yes! An idea i'd like to see happen. (55 votes [12.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.64%

  2. No! Only god decides the rain. (363 votes [83.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.45%

  3. Undecided. (17 votes [3.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.91%

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#1 pRy

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:18

Simple poll regarding the following story:

http://www.guardian....ain-formula-one

Bernie has suggested certain races could feature wet periods created for spicing up the show.

A good idea or just bonkers?

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#2 Massa

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:19

F1 is not mario kart

#3 Crusoe

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:27

About as good as the shortcuts idea.

#4 Louis Siefert

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:32

only if it is non-potable water

and not in places like Melbourne or India where fresh water resources are already strained

sea-water sure anywhere they want to cart that stuff to is fine

#5 MasterM

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:43

IMHO - bad idea...

logical next step should be nails on the track surface to increase number of punctured tyres, moveable chicanes, and at last - night races without lamplights...

#6 Group B

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:50

Utterly dreadful idea. Smacks of 20/20 cricket or power snooker; introduced gimmicks for people with short attention spans or no real love/understanding of the sport. There's not much wrong with F1 that wouldn't be cured by slightly easier overtaking. That may happen with ARW, if not change the aero further.

#7 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:50

F1 is not mario kart


My thoughts exactly - Next, he will suggest Yamamoto comes back as Bullet Bill.

#8 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:51

F1 is not mario kart


My thoughts exactly - Next, he will suggest Yamamoto comes back as Bullet Bill.

#9 TheNewStig

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:51

a big NO.
Someone must get rid of Bernie son,it's getting worse every day this.

#10 undersquare

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:52

I like the idea BUT...

who decides when to switch them on?


#11 Don_Humpador

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:52

****ing stupid idea.

#12 ali.unal

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:53

Not a bad idea. It's the worst idea ever.

#13 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:54

How about Figure-8 tracks with a cross?
How about ramps and flaming hoops?

Bernie has it all modeled out:

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Seriously, Slavica was clearly hitting Bernie's head too hard.

#14 midgrid

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:55

This poll confuses me, as I thought Bernie was God.

#15 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 20:55

..oh, and some mythical guy in white beard does not decide when it rains. There is some science involved.

#16 Slowinfastout

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:20

Rain is fun when it's wild and unexpected.. like Spa '08 for instance... but it can also be quite boring, like Vettel's first win in the STR @ Monza and plenty of other similar races.

Overall I think this quest for artificial overtaking is a mistake... it started on a wrong premise and itself has created more and more demand which led to the silliest of solutions.

The cars need to be able to run closer to each others, but without necessarily leading to the car behind passing the car in front. This proximity is what is lacking in F1 and that's why it's often less exiting than it could be.. because that air buffer between the cars allows the guy in front to make a mistake and get away with it.. while in other series the same mistake would allow the guy behind to pounce because he's right there inches away..

When using that logic, fake rain and other stupid solutions are easier to spot.

#17 Szoelloe

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:26

Bonkers. Definitely. Rain happens often enough.

Edited by Szoelloe, 01 March 2011 - 21:27.


#18 Anonymous

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:26

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Modern Formula 1. Thanks, Bernie.

#19 blackonyx4

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:28

F1 is not mario kart



Are you sure about that?

Just look at that steering wheels in the cars.

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#20 pdac

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:32

Obviously it's a crazy idea. However if the end goal is to make racing more exciting then there is a need for someone to come up with whacky ideas (not particularly as whacky as this one, though). Things like the overtaking working group (or whatever they're called) are bound to fail because the it's made up of people who don't want to change the fundemental problems with F1 cars - which is that they can't follow one another closely and they can't drive off the racing line without suffering. Maybe washing some of the grip off of the racing line might be a good thing, who knows?

#21 metz

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:32

...who decides when to switch them on?

Ferrari, as always. ;)

#22 Atreiu

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:33

F1 is not mario kart


That sums it up.

#23 sosidge

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:35

I can't believe that someone has dug up this relic of an idea AGAIN. :down:

Edited by sosidge, 01 March 2011 - 21:35.


#24 primer

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:37

A good idea or just bonkers?


What's the point when they deploy the 'safety car' at the sight of a single drop of water. :|

#25 Fastcake

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:45

In case some peoples sarcasm metres are not calibrated today, Bernie is joking guys and girls.

#26 JackTorrance

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:46

F1 is not mario kart



Someone tattoo this on bernie's forehead please.

#27 JackTorrance

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:47

In case some peoples sarcasm metres are not calibrated today, Bernie is joking guys and girls.



The medal idea joke is getting very old pal. I dont think he is joking.

#28 RSNS

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:51

I'm going to go against the crowd. Even if it is very artificial, wet races are usually interesting. If dry races are boring and if it is impossible to find rules that allow for overtaking, why not? The only caveat is that I think a wet race should be wet throughout, not only in the last ten laps or something. I voted yes.

#29 Tardis40

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:58

My reasoning is very simple. It is ill advised to deliberately create a dangerous situation. Can you imagine the reaction if a driver were killed on a circuit that had been tampered with?

Yeah, it is very entertaining to see the skill and daring of these guys in dealing with a wet track. So are the different strategies that present themselves and the inevitable strokes of fortune, one way or the other. But doing it on purpose it just too big of a gamble.


#30 DanardiF1

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 21:59

F1 is not mario kart


Mario Kart rules, in it's own way of course.

I think there's something special in the way weather is dynamic. It rains, it pours, it drys out, it's damp again. This is what creates excitement, that pensive edge-of-the-seat, 'what's going to happen next' feeling... It happens to us in our seats, and it goes through the drivers and teams heads in the same way.

Take away the unpredictability of weather, and it ceases to become weather. Merely a saturated track. Nothing special there.

#31 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:02

F1 is not mario kart


Mario kart is far more fun for a couple of hours.

#32 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:04

I'm going to go against the crowd. Even if it is very artificial, wet races are usually interesting. If dry races are boring and if it is impossible to find rules that allow for overtaking, why not? The only caveat is that I think a wet race should be wet throughout, not only in the last ten laps or something. I voted yes.



If you really want fake racing, watch NASCAR.

All you need to do is make a rule that the teams have to switch to a super-hard rubber compound mid-race.

#33 Slowinfastout

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:05

Bonkers. Definitely. Rain happens often enough.


That's a pretty solid point. What's the plan? Get rid of Silverstone, Spa and Suzuka only to go race in the desert and add sprinklers..

Oh wait..

:well:

#34 Hairpin

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:08

F1 is not mario kart

Not yet.

#35 Hairpin

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:15

F1 is like a Steak House run by vegans.

#36 gm914

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 22:54

Someone tattoo this on bernie's forehead please.

trak oiraM ton si 1F

So he can read it even when he's taking out his teeth in the bathroom.


#37 ColchesterF1

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:07

Terrible idea, if they know when it will "rain" they will pit them in time so they are ready for it

#38 Gridfire

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:15

As a militant atheist, I voted no choosing to believe by 'God' you meant 'the randomness of the universe'.;)

Choosing to make it rain or not at certain points could be construed as helping or hindering certain drivers or teams. If they set the schedule before the race, then all teams would be on the right tyre at the right moment and so reduce by far any amount of the mistakes or genius moments you get when the sky just starts falling on it's own schedule.

#39 jeze

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:21

Someone tattoo this on bernie's forehead please.


:rotfl:

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#40 jeze

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:22

Oh and the idea shows that Bernie needs to visit a ward sometime in the near future. He's getting seriously old :drunk:

#41 Longtimefan

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:25

I want to vote no but I refuse to vote for that option with how its worded.

But no, its a stupid idea.


#42 CF22

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 23:34

No of course, it naturally rains in quite some races already.

The best that could happen to F1 is technical freedom and unlimited spending, who cares about HRT anyway?

#43 Amphicar

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 00:02

In the immortal words of Lewis Hamilton: "Frickin' terrible idea!"

#44 r4mses

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 00:12

Ye, let's go all green and stuff and waste water to get more action. WTF? Don't fight the symptoms, fight their origin!

If Burnie was a doctor he'd just give pain killers and if they don't work, more of them until the pain is gone as the patient is... well, god forbid.

/Edit/ on a side note, on N64 it's: diddy kong racing >> mario kart. anytime. everyone who played both and claims otherwise just lacks the skill for DKR! :D

Edited by r4mses, 02 March 2011 - 00:13.


#45 punknhedd

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 00:55

Fire Tilke and redo the Tilke tracks or get rid of them.
Slightly reduce the overall size of the cars.
Limit front wing, rear wing, and diffuser size (make them all significantly smaller).

Stop the gimmicks!


#46 gm914

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 01:14

Terrible idea, if they know when it will "rain" they will pit them in time so they are ready for it

There will be cries of 'race-fixing' if artificial rain is implemented.
Imagine a scenario where, just say for arguments sake, Vettel is in 3rd, has scrubbed his tyres and has maybe 3 laps left on them. Button, who on the other hand has taken care of his tyres and has a good 7-8 laps on his is in 2nd place. Meanwhile, Alonso' s Pirellis are gooone and he is now in the pits from the lead. He fits new hard compounds and is confident leaving the pits that he can finish the race on them, when 'bam' "sprinklers to be deployed in 2 laps." comes over the radio. Everyone in for wets/inters.
Vettel is pitting anyway, button has to pit but should have gone longer, and Alonso has had to pit twice in 3 laps -his race ruined.
Oh, the ensuing controversy!
I will switch off.

#47 Andrew Hope

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 01:17

As hilarious as this would be, of course it's a bad idea. We have to take the good with the bad. Every F1 fan loves rain races - they wouldn't mean shit if they weren't as rare as they are. Just like how everyone loves battling and lots of passing - that's fine, but Villeneuve v. Arnoux at Dijon-Prenois in 1979 would mean sweet f all if it happened every weekend.

#48 billkaos

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 02:00

Well, you can have a random based computer program controlling the rain and programmed in order to simulate rain patterns.

This way, you can "set" a weather for a race, but not in a predictable fashion.

#49 Callisto

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 02:57

No..can we drop the imaginary entity reference

#50 Sevach

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Posted 02 March 2011 - 03:12

I like the idea BUT...

who decides when to switch them on?


Yep too much room for speculation.