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#51 Repco22

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:52

Not 43rd but Crescent made a lovely 250.F back in the late 1950s.

And similarly, Solido, which I think has been re-issued.

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#52 Mal9444

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:03

And similarly, Solido, which I think has been re-issued.


Indeed - but these are essentially toys, with solid wheels, solid steering wheels (in the wrong place), moulded-in drivers with cream-coloured overalls, helmets and faces etc.

I'm talking abouit proper 1:43rd scale models evidencing a similar degree of accuracy to all those Bl**dy Ferraris... :mad: :)

Edited by Mal9444, 14 March 2013 - 07:04.


#53 Mal9444

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 10:25

oes anyone know anything about this 250F? 'Prova' - never 'eard of it. Date? Race? Driver?

#54 Mal9444

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 10:47

oes anyone know anything about this 250F? 'Prova' - never 'eard of it. Date? Race? Driver?


Not that Prova.

This Prova: Posted Image

:blush:


#55 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:49

I've got one of those. It's a Brumm model with plastic louvres stuck on the bonnet.

Anything else you want to know, M?

#56 Mal9444

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:02

I've got one of those. It's a Brumm model with plastic louvres stuck on the bonnet.

Anything else you want to know, M?


Well, yes please, Barry.

Is it an authentic model of an authentic 250F (I can't find any reference to it in David M's book)?

When did it race?

Who raced it, and where?

And, of course, if I buy one - can I Mossify it?

Cheers.


#57 Tim Murray

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 12:59

Sorry Malcolm, but as far as I know Moss never drove the V12-engined 250F. According to Mr McKinney's book a V12-engined car was only raced twice in 1957, by Menditeguy in the Rheims GP (chassis 2523, #32) and by Behra in the Italian GP (chassis 2531, #6). The V12 cars were tested by all and sundry, at Modena and in practice for many of the races. 'Prova' would indicate a configuration used in testing.

#58 Barry Boor

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 13:00

I have this description under the image of this car on my website:

This is the V.12 250.F Maserati, as driven at the non-Championship Reims Grand Prix in 1957, by Carlos Menditeguy. He retired with gearbox trouble after 28 laps.

However, I am by no means certain that the model matches the words.

And NO, that's a definite no way as regarding Mossifying it, or at least, I don't think so.

When we Skype I'll hold it up for you to get a really good look at. Then you can make up your own mind.

#59 Repco22

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:24

Indeed - but these are essentially toys, with solid wheels, solid steering wheels (in the wrong place), moulded-in drivers with cream-coloured overalls, helmets and faces etc.

I'm talking abouit proper 1:43rd scale models evidencing a similar degree of accuracy to all those Bl**dy Ferraris... :mad: :)

True, Malcolm. Those are toys but I'm happy to have a Crescent on my shelf as, apart from its nostalgic aura, it LOOKS like a 250F,
unlike some 'collectors' scale models' that are just plain laughable!

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#60 Mal9444

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:06

Sorry Malcolm, but as far as I know Moss never drove the V12-engined 250F. According to Mr McKinney's book a V12-engined car was only raced twice in 1957, by Menditeguy in the Rheims GP (chassis 2523, #32) and by Behra in the Italian GP (chassis 2531, #6). The V12 cars were tested by all and sundry, at Modena and in practice for many of the races. 'Prova' would indicate a configuration used in testing.


Thank you, Tim. My Italian she is non existent.


#61 Mal9444

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 08:10

Thanks to all.
As a matter of interest I have recently been attempting to persuade Wim Wellinghoff, of Racing Models, of the commercial possibilities of introducing a sensibly-priced pre-'57 250F. Even then, it would by now still retail at around £80.00.

Even at that price I'd probably buy one. Whether I'd buy two, however...


#62 Macca

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 15:40

One option might be to take a Crescent or Solido 250F (if they could be got cheaply) and dismantle them, then take apart a cheap Brumm 250F to use the wheels/axles and maybe exhaust - a bit of work with a powerdrill and/or Dremel would be required.

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#63 Jager

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 11:50

If you look at the number of classic F1 cars released by Spark in a relatively short period, you' have to put money on them modelling the Maseratti sometime in the next 3 years. I've stopped buying sub-standard models on the basis that in the next few years, Spark will release every remaining F1 (and Le Mans, Can Am & Trans Am) cars.

Edited by Jager, 16 March 2013 - 11:52.


#64 Mal9444

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 19:54

:up:

If you look at the number of classic F1 cars released by Spark in a relatively short period, you' have to put money on them modelling the Maseratti sometime in the next 3 years. I've stopped buying sub-standard models on the basis that in the next few years, Spark will release every remaining F1 (and Le Mans, Can Am & Trans Am) cars.


Like this one, you mean? Another recent Spark release.

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#65 wildman

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 23:34

How about the Howmet turbine car?

As the original post mentioned plastic kits specifically, it's worth noting that the Howmet TX was the subject of a 1/25 kit offered by the U.S. firm MPC back around 1969 or so. To the best of my knowledge, it's never been reissued, though a sister kit of the open-cockpit TX Mark II was reissued a few years ago by AMT, packaged as the "MPC Can-Am." 



#66 biercemountain

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 13:56

As the original post mentioned plastic kits specifically, it's worth noting that the Howmet TX was the subject of a 1/25 kit offered by the U.S. firm MPC back around 1969 or so. To the best of my knowledge, it's never been reissued, though a sister kit of the open-cockpit TX Mark II was reissued a few years ago by AMT, packaged as the "MPC Can-Am." 

I agree Wildman, I don't think this kit's ever been reissued. It commands big money whenever it's available on eBay.



#67 thomasbrianwright

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 23:22

Any of the Maserati Birdcage series?

 

-Thomas B. Wright



#68 Jager

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 05:13

Any of the Maserati Birdcage series?

 

-Thomas B. Wright

 

There are plently of Maserati Birdcage models. Minichamps have done them in both 1:43 and 1:18 in multiple versions/liveries. This is their 1:18 model :

 

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#69 chrisj

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 00:11

I've never seen a model or diecast of the March 782/BMW, well other than the Tamiya RC car. There would be loads of possibilities with that one.



#70 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 18:24

I've never seen a model or diecast of the March 782/BMW, well other than the Tamiya RC car. There would be loads of possibilities with that one.


done as a kit by JOHN DAY back in 78 or 79

#71 blackmme

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 11:26

It's odd that to the best of my knowledge neither the Williams FW07 or FW08 have ever been made as 1/18 die-casts.  

The 07 was a pretty iconic car with a lifespan over 4 seasons and the 08 was the last DFV champion.  Both were championship winning cars and both also offer the possibility of producing 6 wheel versions!

 

Sure both deserve to be modelled?

 

Regards Mike



#72 blackmme

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:59

Spark has made some interesting announcements at the Nuremberg Toy Fair filling one of the gaps I highlighted above.

 

They are (all 1/18):

 

Alan Jones Williams FW07B World Champion 1980
Ronnie Peterson March 711 STP Monaco G/P 1971
Jean Pierre Jabouille Renault RS01 British G/P 1977
Nigel Mansell Williams Honda FW11 1986
Nelson Piquet Williams Honda FW11 1986
 
I think I would buy them all, I just don't think I would be able to afford them all though!
 
Regards Mike


#73 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 17:16

The model I still really covet would be a 1:8-scale - or larger - fully-detailed...

...Vanwall.


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#74 Alan Cox

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 18:25

I've never seen a model or diecast of the March 782/BMW, well other than the Tamiya RC car. There would be loads of possibilities with that one.

Minichamps do a range of March 792s, as I am sure you know, but not the 782



#75 group7

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 00:23

does any one know if there was a 1/43 built, or kit, of the al unser driven,chaparral, lola T-500 indy winner from 1978 (first time at indy)  triple crown winners...california 500....schaefer 500 & indy 500 for this great team from texas.

 

mike 


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#76 Jager

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 04:02

does any one know if there was a 1/43 built, or kit, of the al unser driven,chaparral, lola T-500 indy winner from 1978 (first time at indy)  triple crown winners...california 500....schaefer 500 & indy 500 for this great team from texas.

 

mike 

 

Spark are just starting to produce a range of classic Indy cars. Try emailing them and proposing the 1978 winner (though I suspect its on their list of probably subjects anyway) :

 

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#77 Duc-Man

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 15:52

Does anybody make an afordable 1/43 model of this body version of the 917/10?

 

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#78 Jager

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 16:24

This model from Spark is the closest I've seen :

 

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#79 Duc-Man

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 19:45

I have that model. The car was origially a 917 coupe that was converted to a spyder. The car on my photo is a naturally aspired 917/10 with the 'customer' front. Marsh makes a model of it for lots of $

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 02:05

for curiosity's sake, the Porsche 962



#81 Doug Nye

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 20:07

I would repeat my nomination of a large-scale Vanwall - and add one for a large-scale 2003 Le Mans-winning Bentley Speed-8, a challenging shape which would lend itself wonderfully to a 1:10 or 1:18 scale model. I'll now go back to trying to fashion a replacement for the 1:10-scale Exoto Ford GT Mark II rear clip closure pin that I lost last night - it pinged off into the middle-distance, so it did...

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#82 werks prototype

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 20:47

Isn't that the worst feeling. When you lose or break (as is often the case for me) a critical 'small' part of a model.



#83 Doug Nye

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 22:17

Absolutely - especially only two days after its arrival. I should have known better. In this case the manufacturer seems to offer no spares.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 06:45

I'd be emptying the current contents of the vacuum cleaner to start afresh with vacuuming the area you were tinkering with the model. Followed by forensically checking the contents.

 

Of course you run the risk of Mrs DCN seeing you with the vacuum and getting the gig permanently!

 

Stephen



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Posted 27 October 2014 - 11:51

I would repeat my nomination of a large-scale Vanwall - and add one for a large-scale 2003 Le Mans-winning Bentley Speed-8, a challenging shape which would lend itself wonderfully to a 1:10 or 1:18 scale model. I'll now go back to trying to fashion a replacement for the 1:10-scale Exoto Ford GT Mark II rear clip closure pin that I lost last night - it pinged off into the middle-distance, so it did...

DCN

So it did? Any Ulster heritage we don't know about?  ;)



#86 JacnGille

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 12:53

I'd be emptying the current contents of the vacuum cleaner to start afresh with vacuuming the area you were tinkering with the model. Followed by forensically checking the contents.

 

Of course you run the risk of Mrs DCN seeing you with the vacuum and getting the gig permanently!

 

Stephen

Doug could use his Chaparral 2J model in that case.



#87 Jager

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 15:05

I would repeat my nomination of a large-scale Vanwall - and add one for a large-scale 2003 Le Mans-winning Bentley Speed-8, a challenging shape which would lend itself wonderfully to a 1:10 or 1:18 scale model. I'll now go back to trying to fashion a replacement for the 1:10-scale Exoto Ford GT Mark II rear clip closure pin that I lost last night - it pinged off into the middle-distance, so it did...

DCN

Doug, the 2003 winning Bentley was released by Autoart in1:18 :

 

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Expect to pay about GBP 90 - 100 for the winner, or slightly less for the sister #8 car :

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=p2047675.l2557

 

 

True Scale Miniatures have also announced plans to produce the 2003 Le Mans (& Sebring) Bentley's in 1:18 :

 

http://www.tsm-model...ore/product/477

 

......but are almost twice the price of the Autoart :

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item1e937c7896


Edited by Jager, 27 October 2014 - 15:13.


#88 Doug Nye

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 20:23

Coo!

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#89 Mal9444

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 06:46

So it did? Any Ulster heritage we don't know about?  ;)

Right enough, there. :lol:



#90 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 09:15

I would repeat my nomination of a large-scale Vanwall - and add one for a large-scale 2003 Le Mans-winning Bentley Speed-8, a challenging shape which would lend itself wonderfully to a 1:10 or 1:18 scale model. I'll now go back to trying to fashion a replacement for the 1:10-scale Exoto Ford GT Mark II rear clip closure pin that I lost last night - it pinged off into the middle-distance, so it did...

DCN

 

There would also be this, not Le Mans, but Sebring - but very large (as is the price !) :

 

http://www.amalgamco...160fda7c6e1a6c0



#91 JacnGille

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Posted 01 November 2014 - 12:39

for curiosity's sake, the Porsche 962

??? It's been made in pretty much any scale you wish.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 09:06

Just an FYI -  the 1:18 TSM Bentley-Speed 8 (Sebring) is on sale for a pretty nice price over at Modelissimo.

 

http://www.modelissi...-TSM131811R.php



#93 Jager

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 12:15

??? It's been made in pretty much any scale you wish.

 

Have a look at Spark models. They've made morethan 50 variations of the 962 in 1:43 for reasonable money.

 

Low wing or high wing, Le Mans, Daytona or Sebring.Take your pic :

 

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#94 Jager

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 06:05

Following on from the above discussion, another collector on one of the forums I frequent posted this picture of his 956 / 962 collection.

 

All models are from Spark, with the exception of one from Ebbro :

 

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#95 Glengavel

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 21:14

Is the difference in length between a 956 and 962 noticeable in 1/43 scale? The difference works out at 2.8mm, or a bit over 1/10".