Oi 'Johnny Foreigner'; yer wrong (but it works both ways)
#1
Posted 12 March 2011 - 02:22
Today, however, I saw a thread on Autodiva with a number of what I believe to be new pictures documenting the fiery death of Bill Whitehouse but which were identified as being the Herbert Mackay-Frazer shunt .
I’m aware that some people from Autodiva etc also post in TNF and vice versa so wondered whether some sort of informal connection could be established whereby guests to similar forums could point out obvious errors in postings with the help of a forum registered translator but without having to formally join the forum ? My concern is that the Autodiva pics will become viewed as the truth and they are not in my opinion.
Chris
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#2
Posted 12 March 2011 - 06:59
Have posted a commentToday, however, I saw a thread on Autodiva with a number of what I believe to be new pictures documenting the fiery death of Bill Whitehouse but which were identified as being the Herbert Mackay-Frazer shunt .
Didn't bother to point out however that there was never a driver called Herbert Mackay-Frazer, because I've got sick of saying it over and over again. Mackay was Mr Frazer's second forename, and the one by which he was known
#3
Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:24
#4
Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:29
Your efforts have not been entirely in vain, David. Thanks to you I shall never now forget that there is no hyphen in the name, but is his surname Frazer or Fraser? Also, how should one pronounce Mackay? In the UK it would always be 'MaKYE' (the last syllable rhyming with 'pie'. However, I have it in the back of my mind that the American pronunciation might be 'MaCAY' or 'MAcay', the last syllable rhyming with 'stay'.
A US tennis player from way back certainly pronounced it to rhyme with "stay". "Mac" Fraser was reportedly born in Brazil, so who knows how he might have pronounced it.
#5
Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:29
I would guess, in response to you and Stu, he'd be more likely to pronounce it to rhyme with stay (or pay?)
Perhaps some US TNFers could guide us on the likelihood
#6
Posted 12 March 2011 - 11:42
#7
Posted 13 March 2011 - 22:20
DCN
#9
Posted 14 March 2011 - 00:21
Have posted a comment
Didn't bother to point out however that there was never a driver called Herbert Mackay-Frazer, because I've got sick of saying it over and over again. Mackay was Mr Frazer's second forename, and the one by which he was known
Thanks David, just seen it on Autodiva. Perhaps you could be the "missing link"
(One day I wil get Mac's name right !!)
Chris
#10
Posted 14 March 2011 - 09:37
Thank you. That must be the accident which cost Bill Whitehouse his life, on the entry to Thillois Corner. This is not connected to the Mac Fraser incident, whose Lotus 11 did not burn but which ended up inverted on the infield of Gueux Curve, at the other end of the pits straight. That was a tragic weekend for both the Cooper and Lotus communities. Both drivers were very well regarded, and very popular.
DCN
Edited by Doug Nye, 14 March 2011 - 09:38.
#11
Posted 14 March 2011 - 13:43
A major blow to BRM as well after Mac's wonderful drive at Rouen.Thank you. That must be the accident which cost Bill Whitehouse his life, on the entry to Thillois Corner. This is not connected to the Mac Fraser incident, whose Lotus 11 did not burn but which ended up inverted on the infield of Gueux Curve, at the other end of the pits straight. That was a tragic weekend for both the Cooper and Lotus communities. Both drivers were very well regarded, and very popular.
DCN
#12
Posted 14 March 2011 - 16:21
#13
Posted 16 March 2011 - 00:38
Your efforts have not been entirely in vain, David. Thanks to you I shall never now forget that there is no hyphen in the name, but is his surname Frazer or Fraser? Also, how should one pronounce Mackay? In the UK it would always be 'MaKYE' (the last syllable rhyming with 'pie'. However, I have it in the back of my mind that the American pronunciation might be 'MaCAY' or 'MAcay', the last syllable rhyming with 'stay'.
A friend of Irish extraction [and an ex racing driver, btw] claims that his name, McKay, rhymes with "stay" while the Scottish Mackay rhymes with "eye". Meanwhile, in Australia at least, it seems to be "Rafferty's rules" for both. I wonder if there's any truth to his version.
#14
Posted 18 March 2011 - 00:39
http://www.autodiva....60005c6cd05d41e
Can only be The Avenue at Oulton