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#1 JoBo

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Posted 19 March 2011 - 15:47

Has anybody photos of the Ferrari Dino with race-no. 38 in the 24 hrs Sebring 1968?

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#2 raceannouncer2003

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 06:03

Has anybody photos of the Ferrari Dino with race-no. 38 in the 24 hrs Sebring 1968?

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I presume you mean 1969. Here is a link to three photos:

http://www.racingspo.....20206 GT.html

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Edited by raceannouncer2003, 20 March 2011 - 06:04.


#3 JoBo

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 10:30

I presume you mean 1969. Here is a link to three photos:

http://www.racingspo.....20206 GT.html

Vince H.

Vince, many thanks. But are there other sources for photos of that car in the 1969-event (yep, a typo in my first post!)?

JoBo

Edited by JoBo, 20 March 2011 - 10:30.


#4 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 15:24

I'm looking to clear up some confusion regarding the results of the 12 Hours of Sebring for 1968 and 1969.

In 1968, the winning #49 Siffert/Herrmann Porsche 907 completed 237 laps and the second-placed #51 Porsche of Elford/Neerpasch only 226 laps according to contemporary sources. However, Martin Krejci's sports cars website lists 227 laps for the winning car - presumably a typo ?

For 1969, who was 4th and 5th ?

Martin's website says Soler-Roig/Lins (Porsche 907) were 4th ahead of Mitter/Schütz (Porsche 908/2). However, most contemporary sources I have been able to check suggest it was the other way around.

Can anyone perhaps check further contemporary sources, or better yet, official result sheets ?

#5 oldtransamdriver

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:29

According to the official results mailed to me after the race (25th o/a) -

4) Alex Soler-Roig and Rudy Lins - #44 Porsche 907 - 233 laps

5) Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schutz - #9 Porsche 908 - 232 laps

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:35

According to the official results mailed to me after the race (25th o/a) -

4) Alex Soler-Roig and Rudy Lins - #44 Porsche 907 - 233 laps

5) Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schutz - #9 Porsche 908 - 232 laps

Robert Barg


Just referenced my Automobile Year 17 and it has the same results.

#7 jj2728

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:41

In 1968, the winning #49 Siffert/Herrmann Porsche 907 completed 237 laps and the second-placed #51 Porsche of Elford/Neerpasch only 226 laps according to contemporary sources. However, Martin Krejci's sports cars website lists 227 laps for the winning car - presumably a typo ?


Referenced my Automobile Year 16 and the winning Porsche is classified with 237 laps. I'd say it was a typo on Martin's site.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 17:46

According to the official results mailed to me after the race (25th o/a) -

4) Alex Soler-Roig and Rudy Lins - #44 Porsche 907 - 233 laps

5) Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schutz - #9 Porsche 908 - 232 laps

Robert Barg


Same information in Breslauer's Sebring book.

Also shows the winning car doing 237 laps in 1968.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 18:19

According to the official results mailed to me after the race (25th o/a) -

4) Alex Soler-Roig and Rudy Lins - #44 Porsche 907 - 233 laps

5) Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schutz - #9 Porsche 908 - 232 laps

Robert Barg

Same information in Breslauer's Sebring book.

Also shows the winning car doing 237 laps in 1968.

Further corroboration of both the above in Motor Sport.

#10 Emery0323

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 23:50

According to the official results mailed to me after the race (25th o/a) -

4) Alex Soler-Roig and Rudy Lins - #44 Porsche 907 - 233 laps

5) Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schutz - #9 Porsche 908 - 232 laps

Robert Barg



The 5th place finishers, Mitter and Schutz, should be car #29, not #9.
The Porsche works team had five 908 spyders entered at that race, numbered consecutively from #27 through #31.

#11 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:41

Thanks for the replies! So for 1968, there is no question that 237 laps is the correct distance.

For 1969, I'm not entirely convinced what is right.

The following sources have Soler-Roig/Lins in 4th and Mitter/Schütz in 5th...

Official result sheets
Automobile Year 17
Motor Sport
Breslauer's Sebring book

...whereas these (contemporary) sources have it vice versa, Mitter/Schütz in 4th and Soler-Roig/Lins in 5th:

Daytona Beach Morning Journal
Auto Jahr
Auto Motor und Sport
Motor Revue
Automobil Revue
Autodrome

Obviously Robert's official results are the most important, but one wonders why so many media outlets published a different result.


#12 David McKinney

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:29

Apart from the local paper, all the "wrong" results seem to be in German or Swiss magazines - perhaps all relying on a single source?

#13 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:15

Well, these local newspapers aren't the best source for this sort of thing I suppose, but for what it's worth...

The Sarasota Herald Tribune published the same results as Martin Krejci, but then says in the article itself that "another Porsche, shared by Germans Gerhard Mitter and Udo Schütz, was fourth, followed by an independant Porsche of Alex Soler-Roig of Spain and Ruby Lyns (sic) of Austria."

The Montreal Gazette also agrees with Krejci, but The Youngstown Vindicator, on the other hand, has Mitter/Schütz in 4th and Soler-Roig/Lins in 5th, both with 233 laps.

So it's not just a Swiss-German thing. Part of the issue seems to be how many laps Mitter/Schütz completed, 232 or 233.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:41

The official entry list show the Soler-Roig/Lins car as #44 and even the hourly reports given to the competitors in the pits show the same #44. The 2 other cars in the same under 2 litre Sports Prototype group were given #45 (Dick Smothers and Fred Baker) and #46 was a private entry from Venezuela (Caprilas, Atencio, Maratos). These 2 cars were listed as Carrera 906E models, not a 907.

The #44 907 car was an independant entry from Barcelona - a very impressive result.

The #9 car was listed as the Penske Sunoco Lola with Donohue and Bucknum.

All the factory cars were given consecutive numbers in their groups - even the private Corvettes and Camaros, although I think some late entries had later numbers.

By coincidence our camaro was given #16, the same number as the 2nd Team Penske Camaro from 68, on the 69 Sebring poster.

This race had an interesting mix of drivers.

Robert Barg

Edited by oldtransamdriver, 08 May 2012 - 04:42.