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#51 picblanc

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 15:24

Just read the results of the WSB 1st leg at Donington and was staggered by the small entry of 20 competitors. So starting fields are dwindling there too ?


Couple of riders out through injury Toseland/Vermulen, but yes field smaller this year, but great race race one. :wave:

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#52 rd500

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 15:29

after rossi dissapears, which will include the droves of f1 fans and glory hunters that go along with him the old bbc will pull the plug on moto boring so fast even the GOAT loving charlie cox wont know what to do.
ive said it before and it still makes me think, donington 2001 average no. of fans all knowledgeable and interested, then 2002 massive crowd mostly wearing football tops, the ones who were around me slept or generally small talked there way through the 125/250 but produced the air horns for moto gp. dont know what sounded worse - those air horns or those 4 strokes that sonded like someone farting in a bath, i was only peeved cause i couldnt hear my 500s properly!
as ive posted before i nipped into friday practice in 2008 to see the 125/250 but caught the end of moto boring and the most pathetic thing i ever saw was danni pedrosa (not his fault) trying to pull a wheelie out of the chicane and the bike making a bunch of noise from stupid electronics and nothing happening. people who say nothings changed are fooling themselves and most likely never been to any real racing before 2002.
the old favourite is "back in 90/91 there was small grids" yes this is very true but what isnt shown is the no. of privateers who tried to qualify, now these riders are to most "fans" known as also rans but the fact is these riders are out there giving everything they've got and in most circumstances risking their and their familys future, also in a lot of countrys these riders had a as much of a following as the big stars.
try going to somewhere like salzburg in 90/91 and try to put a 5 year old 130 hp rs on the grid where the fastest lap was put up by a 115kg 170hp nsr with the likes of doohan or wg aboard, no wonder the grid were small. yamaha came to the rescue with the engines for the roc/harris bikes for 92 and the grids swelled no problem as the privateers had a weapon they could use again and for these riders were normally european and national champions.
the problem i see is that in 90/91 they were aware of the grid size and worked at it wheras now youre meant to be delighted with 13 riders finishing, i was and still am big fans of marco gentile and also alessandro valesi and it always gave me great plesure watching them and giving the programme a wave when they passed to show my appreciation, so anyone who says that it should be just the best riders in the world and no room for any others and we should be happy is not a fan of motorcycle racing.
remember at the time when they were promoting this moto gp 4 stroke manipulation they used phrases like "closer racing" "reduced costs" and "its the same type of bike that the street riders uses" now as you and i know these statments were lies as they quickly alienated all the privateer teams and myself as i dont and never will own a 4 stroke motorcycle plus the fact that we had just come off the back of some of closest racing the premier class had ever seen in 2000/2001 just added to the disappointment.
remember when in 91 the fim sent out a press release saying from 1993 the premier class would be for 500cc four strokes with a minimum weight of 130kg and mick doohans comments of "i dunno who they will get to ride them, i certainly wouldnt want to ride one if a 250s gonna be faster and more dangerous" this was only a part of the story that led to dorna getting in the door in the first place which was a long and very confusing story. a quote i remember from mr ecclstone regarding motorcycle racing "people dont want to see overtaking all the time"
well they are fine now cause there isnt any, by the way has anyone ever tried dialling the rothmans honda hotline recently? i know what im doing later on, over and out
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#53 rd500

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Posted 30 March 2011 - 12:34

am i correct in thinking that there has been motogp races in the 800 era :rolleyes: where there have been riders outside the qualification times but have been allowed to race anyway?
edwards in germany 08/09 comes to mind.
have you ever noticed aswell how each new season lately the press or some of the riders themselves always say "its just gonna be like the late 80s early 90s" and of course it never will be, this seems to be a new thing, like they are trying to emulate them. stoners championship tshirt from 07 sums that up. why are they trying to compare it? any thoughts

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Posted 04 April 2011 - 09:57

I’m going to add my comments to this, and they may not be in agreement with what has been said by some of you.

I watched all three races yesterday from Jerez, and certainly I didn’t see any lack of entertainment. Yes, it is a shame that the number of bikes on the MotoGP grid is so small, and I certainly understand that it would be a good thing to have privateer entrants to boost numbers. Or more representation from the manufacturers of course - obviously the costs involved have seen off the likes of Kawasaki, Aprilia, Proton KR, Ilmor, Moriwaki, WCM, etc. - and Suzuki, almost - which is bad news. Perhaps the 2012 rules will address these concerns - I will wait and see.

However, I don’t think there is a particular problem with the actual racing. I still watch Formula One, and that doesn’t entertain me the way it used to, but MotoGP still works for me. You could argue that the weather conditions made a big difference yesterday, but most (although not all) of the dry races also seem pretty good to me. It has to be said that I’m not particularly worried about the technical side of things - I understand that it’s sad about the demise of the two-stroke racers, but for me if the current bikes allow for entertaining races then I can just about accept those changes. To put this into context, however, I am relatively recent convert to motorcycle racing - British Superbikes, 1996 and GPs since 2000. Personally, I still find BSB to be the most entertaining form of motorsport, even if it is production-based...

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 02:50

These poor people (usually referred to in my late-night discourses on this extremely frustrating topic as "corrupt, blazer-wearing Spanish clowns") are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of the general populace drooling over the appearance of Rossi on the works Ducati, while shitting themselves that it may not come off, and that the Dorna-owned series itself is up for sale at the end of the year. For me, and next year I will have been going to bike racing for 50 years, I wish Rossi had never appeared, because while he has without question inveigled millions of viewers worldwide to watch the sport, for these people he is all that the sport represents, and nothing and nobody else, including the sport's history, matters or has any value. So Dorna have assumed that when he goes, all will be lost, so the game's on the market. Bunch of pillaging parasites. Sooner they, and he, piss off, the sooner we can get back to something resembling reality.... :rolleyes:

Not bitter, then... :mad:



Wow someone agrees with me, or I agree with you.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 05:45

That's the only race worth watching.

Which really sums up the whole sorry spectacle, it's nothing more than an expensive 'Honda Cup' race.

Far better to go and watch a days club racing at Darley Moor or Brands.


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Posted 07 April 2011 - 10:15

Which really sums up the whole sorry spectacle, it's nothing more than an expensive 'Honda Cup' race.

Far better to go and watch a days club racing at Darley Moor or Brands.


You have to be kidding. The last time I went to a club event at Brands (35 years ago) the races weren't that close and didn't last that long - 10 laps at most. I spent most of the time wondering who was going to fall of or drop out next.

The 'Honda Cup' as you call it, lasts long and has riders who will push to the end of the race. Any one of 15 riders could win the race, which can't be said for the 125 and 800cc races. As I've said before, I'm never going to watch a live MotoGP - it's a bloody con. All you get to see is 3 - 40 minute races, whereas back in the 60's, you could get up to 6 - and the bikes sounded much better.

As to the noise coming from those bloody horns. My brother has an apology to make. Back in the early 80's we attended a Transatlantic event at Oulton Park and he took along a horn he'd borrowed from his job (the railways). He had a great time letting it off when the race was over and bikes came round. Next time we went, there were dozens of the bloody things, and the morons who had them were blasting away throughout the races. Now it's impossible to hear the bikes through the horns. I reckon they should ban the things.

So does my brother !



#58 picblanc

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 16:14

Yep I agree I love the Honda Cup race, a great spectacle 38/40 bikes on the grid all within a second or two, brilliant entertainment!

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 19:13

And a British rider showing great potential, let's not forget Bradley Smith equalled Barry Sheene in finishing runner up in the 125 world championship.


Bradley needs to become a lot more positive if he's going to get to the top. He appears to back off when it comes to the elbow bashing. The likes of Croxford would have been all over him 'back in the day'.




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#60 rd500

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 23:29

yes totally agree that the sport will benefit from rossis departure, the fans that have hooked onto him by they're own admission (those of you who will be on forums will have noticed this if the topic was brought up) have come from other forms of motorsport and they will return to where they were after he goes - they're interested in the hype/product and not the wellbeing of the sport itself.

people like ourselves who have been spectating or taking part from club to international racing for many years are gonna be left to pick up the pieces after all this, once this "mecca" falls from grace which i will guarantee you is going to happen, they are gonna hope they havent driven away all the hard liners who were passionate about the sport before it became a media whore.

as for the honda cup you could make donkey racing look spectacular if you threw enough money and hype at it, it goes back to a message i heard read out by julian ryder from a fan at the last 250 race at mugello, saying along the lines of he couldnt wait for the mini moto cup to start as who cares how many frames simoncelli has tried out so far this season as this was confusing for the modern fan. i used to and still thrive on that type of information about older days of racing.

anyway they had a boring 600 class that was wss or any 600 for that matter, and the class above that which because of the tarnished state of british racing every young british racer dreams of winning, the wsb. the fim let flammini away with too much which has led the world production bikes championship to have a far higher status than it deserves and has thus become the cheap mans moto gp.

i never ever thought id see the day when road bike engines were the norm in the top class of bike racing, if someone had come up to me 30 years ago and said it was gonna be like this i would have gone to as many meetings as i could have before it was lost. how long can they keep going with the 600/1000 format as it is. i was looking at a local meeting recently and thought of going until isaw the races - about 4 600 classes of diffrent states of tune and the same for 1000 class, no thanks.

long gone are the days when you had your local hotshot at your club and the prospect of seeing how they got with the gp or international guys was something else. heck the only gp class where you can enter a wildcard now is still the 125, unless you are funded by bank robbers you could enter a mini moto race as a wildcard, heard of 300,000 euros for a 1 meeting wildcard please correct me if im incorrect on that one.

my hat goes of to those clubs who still run open meetings and will try to include every type of bike someone has the prepared for a meeting, i have been involved in a few open races for the short time i attempted to be a racer (use the word very very loosely) and spectacled at many and was always the best. anyway enough of my moanings :up:

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 04:17

After MotoGP changes capacity (again) it'll be 1000/600 and 1000/600 WSB, all clones.

Just a p*ssing contest beween Dorna and Flammini, the fans will be the losers.

Thank goodness the ICGP series is gaining in popularity across Europe, hopefully some of the MotoGP fanboys will take interest.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 20:28

As I said before , who is going to be the first rider , accidents apart , at the end of the season NOT to score points .................... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :yawnface:

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 21:58

i never ever thought id see the day when road bike engines were the norm in the top class of bike racing, if someone had come up to me 30 years ago and said it was gonna be like this i would have gone to as many meetings as i could have before it was lost. how long can they keep going with the 600/1000 format as it is. i was looking at a local meeting recently and thought of going until isaw the races - about 4 600 classes of diffrent states of tune and the same for 1000 class, no thanks.


The 'big white hope' of 500cc GP's in the late 60's, early 70's was a Triumph twin, ridden by Percy Tait. A bike that was built from bits in a backroom.

In the 1969 Belgian Grand Prix, on the Spa-Francorchamps racetrack in the Ardennes, Tait was riding Triumph's entry for the 500cc race - a version of the Triumph Daytona developed by Doug Hele. Percy travelled with the mechanics Arthur Jakeman and Jack Shemans in an old Ford Transit van, in which the three of them also had to sleep. Percy led the world champion Giacomo Agostini for three laps to finish second to the MV Agusta at an average speed of 116 mph


The opportunity was there for Triumph to make a proper name for themselves in racing. They might have learned that a proper bike engine splits horizontally, not vertically.



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Posted 08 April 2011 - 22:04

I disagree I've seen some good hard positive rides. It looks so easy on the telly, it's only when they fall off you realise just how fast they are going. A modern 125 would make a John Player Norton look like a snail in truth so the comparison is invalid. Only my opinion....of course



I'm not comparing bikes, I'm comparing riding styles. I've heard tales of Croxford slapping riders on the back going around slow hairpins and using elbows in other places.

One of the most memorable races I watched at Brands, pitched Ray Pickrell on his Dunstall 750 against Stuart Graham on a works Suzuki 125. The Suzuki won that little battle. I doubt that todays 125's are much quicker than that Suzuki.



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Posted 08 April 2011 - 22:14

Does it matter, it's the first three going hammer and tong that count :)


what , 48 seconds , IIRC covering the first three last weekend ................... :rolleyes: :yawnface: :down:


#66 rd500

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 23:18

lets go back 10 years to 2001 jerez 500s the top six were covered by 7.5 secs and the top 11 by 20 secs

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 06:58


My biggest problem with the MotoGP AND WSB debate is that the people moaning about how close the two are becoming are the people who are tranfering all that they learn from MotoGP to their road bikes. Yamaha sound off the most in this respect but they are the first to put any ideas on to the road bikes. Race on the Sunday and sell on the Monday was the moto and it's the same today. Some factories put as much stuff on the road bikes as they can purely to compete in WSB so they are going to look and sound similar. Every lad with a cafe racer in the sixties wanted his bike to look like the GP machines of the day and this has been the same since then. For me it's the race that counts not the look of the bikes. This is why Pro Am was such a hit and why it is remembered with fond memories now. I'm sure given a reduction in budgets the grids will inprove as shown by the oversubscribed Moto 2 class.

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:25

Bradley needs to become a lot more positive if he's going to get to the top. He appears to back off when it comes to the elbow bashing. The likes of Croxford would have been all over him 'back in the day'.


Have to agree, far to tentative at the start and his race craft leaves a lot to be desired i.e. sticking to the "classic' line into corners when he must know another rider is close behind. Result, the following rider just rides up the inside, job done and Bradley down another place. if he could cure these faults he could be a World Champion but unfortunately he shows no sign of learning from mistakes.

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:35

Have to agree, far to tentative at the start and his race craft leaves a lot to be desired i.e. sticking to the "classic' line into corners when he must know another rider is close behind. Result, the following rider just rides up the inside, job done and Bradley down another place. if he could cure these faults he could be a World Champion but unfortunately he shows no sign of learning from mistakes.


I agree Rod,he needs to get mean,'cos he's having the pee taken by riders who aren't necessarily faster or better.(wise words from some-one who couldn't win a game of bingo even--me)

HW

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Posted 09 April 2011 - 11:31

Bradley needs to become a lot more positive if he's going to get to the top. He appears to back off when it comes to the elbow bashing. The likes of Croxford would have been all over him 'back in the day'.


Maybe once his balls have dropped?

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 16:57

I disagree I've seen some good hard positive rides. It looks so easy on the telly, it's only when they fall off you realise just how fast they are going. A modern 125 would make a John Player Norton look like a snail in truth so the comparison is invalid. Only my opinion....of course


If a modern 125 pokes out about 55 bhp and is capable of about 140mph, wouldn't a JPS Norton, with its 68 bhp and 165 mph top speed, generally have had the edge?


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 19:09

If a modern 125 pokes out about 55 bhp and is capable of about 140mph, wouldn't a JPS Norton, with its 68 bhp and 165 mph top speed, generally have had the edge?


Russell, I reckon the 125 would have the edge at most circuits, perhaps not with long straights like the oldies, Hockenheim, Silverstone etc. These little bikes can carry a lot of corner speed, especially with a 7 stone throttle monkey on board.

Just my 2p worth...


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Posted 10 April 2011 - 20:18

At the TT, Peter Williams' race speed on a JP Norton was 105.47 mph in '73 and the fastest 125 figure I've found is 108.93 mph clinched in '04. The circuit has been improved immensly over the years, so I guess the Norton would be faster on equal conditions, but probably the other way round on a stop-and-go GP track.

Edited by Rennmax, 11 April 2011 - 05:40.


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Posted 11 April 2011 - 09:46

At the TT, Peter Williams' race speed on a JP Norton was 105.47 mph in '73 and the fastest 125 figure I've found is 108.93 mph clinched in '04. The circuit has been improved immensly over the years, so I guess the Norton would be faster on equal conditions, but probably the other way round on a stop-and-go GP track.


Seems reasonable, Renn, especially since modern riders are so adept at negotiating chicanes  ;)

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 10:21

Russell, I reckon the 125 would have the edge at most circuits, perhaps not with long straights like the oldies, Hockenheim, Silverstone etc. These little bikes can carry a lot of corner speed, especially with a 7 stone throttle monkey on board.

Just my 2p worth...


I agree, the corner speed and braking of a modern 125 would more than negate the few extra horsepower on all but the fastest of circuits.

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 11:04

Russell, I reckon the 125 would have the edge at most circuits, perhaps not with long straights like the oldies, Hockenheim, Silverstone etc. These little bikes can carry a lot of corner speed, especially with a 7 stone throttle monkey on board.

Just my 2p worth...

I agree, the corner speed and braking of a modern 125 would more than negate the few extra horsepower on all but the fastest of circuits.


Ah, but once Crockett had leaned on Bradley, would he ever get the stroker in front....? So, 'carrying a lot of corner speed' isn't merely a Charlie Coxism?

Edited by Russell Burrows, 11 April 2011 - 11:10.


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Posted 11 April 2011 - 17:19

Ah, but once Crockett had leaned on Bradley, would he ever get the stroker in front....? So, 'carrying a lot of corner speed' isn't merely a Charlie Coxism?

Ah, Russell, you forgot "This race is going right down to the wire!"

Also, don't you love the commentators who, supposedly absolutely steeped in racing wisdom, wildly enthuse about someone being a 'demon on the brakes' apparently having no idea that a gap is a gap in time, not distance? Part of the 'For sure' brigade.

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 18:33

Ah, Russell, you forgot "This race is going right down to the wire!"

Also, don't you love the commentators who, supposedly absolutely steeped in racing wisdom, wildly enthuse about someone being a 'demon on the brakes' apparently having no idea that a gap is a gap in time, not distance? Part of the 'For sure' brigade.

Yes Terry, be good at times if Mr Cox really got the magnets on his lips.

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 00:53

Sorry to drag this up again guys I thought that this one was worthy of comment...


'Hearing on Twitter that Stoner, Elias, Barbera, Dovi and George have approached Safety Comission about Simoncelli's aggressive style. Discussions around 'rules' for overtaking!

After watching this sport avidly since 1998, I am not sure I like the direction the sport is headed.

Let's hope the handbags get put away soon. I can't remember a season quite like this. It's like watching the Boxing pre-match hype'


Aggressive style?

Which sport are we discussing here??

Is it a ladies knitting circle, or an embroidery class?

Please, let's get real, this is a speed sport with all the associated dangers and lets all get back to the sporting element without all of the media hype and assoiated bo**ocks we have today

Edited by exclubracer, 15 May 2011 - 11:53.


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Posted 15 May 2011 - 04:12

its just nonsense really, in the days when it was a sport you never heard all this rubbish as the riders were too busy setting up/maintaining their bikes or having a laugh around the paddock.

schwantz said he couldn't believe at jerez how quickly all the moto gp riders had jumped into helicopters and left the track after the race.

its like lorenzo, the guy never even mentioned any old racing but now he loves the late 80s early 90s and has claimed this year is just like 91, are they trying hard to be like old racers with all this talk?

another thing i keep hearing is this comparing riders, recently stoner was compered to spencer/doohan and wg all in the same session, i feel this is really disrespecful and commentators who do this should know better, ive never heard of it in any other sport.

apparently on sat karl abraham was compered to mike hailwood as their families both had money :confused: madness

i always think how their comments would go if they had a van Dulmen, sheene or roberts answering back to them :rotfl:

Edited by rd500, 15 May 2011 - 04:35.


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Posted 15 May 2011 - 12:53

The 'Dorna Knitting Circle' previously known as 'MotoGP' previously known as '500GP'

What **king farce ):

Simoncelli ride through for 'Racing on the Track' :down:

Come on Simoncelli kick the vegetables into touch next race.

The only rider in MotoGP (apart fromn Rossi and Capprossi) that would (and did) cut it on 500s :confused:



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Posted 15 May 2011 - 13:26

Agreed Tony, just absolute rubbish now & as for the 'jury' decision making!! :evil: :confused:

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 13:54

I'm bleeding livid.

Why don't the Dorna Suits piss off with their ****ing jury and vote in the Eurovision Song Contest. :down:

What would the true racers have thought of Simos moved. :smoking:

Great move, round the outside, chancy but effective. :cool:

Now we'll have the bleeters, the vegetables, the **** who organise (Organise HA HA Effin HA) this circus of moaning wasters trying to justify a penalty on a racer who wants to race.

I call all of you who hold this sport dear to support Marco Simoncelli (despite the fact he rides a Honda) and damn the lorenzos' (little l on purpose), stoners', pedrosas' and get this sport back where it should be.

Knitting for the NITS, Tweeting for the TWITs and Racing for the BRAVE. :clap:

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 14:06

Must say "we" as a family watching this so called sporting event agree, this is the most ludicrous decision and support Simoncelli, can "we" as in our members let them know how we feel ?
Very :mad:

Edited by joeninety, 15 May 2011 - 14:08.


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Posted 15 May 2011 - 15:30

Must say "we" as a family watching this so called sporting event agree, this is the most ludicrous decision and support Simoncelli, can "we" as in our members let them know how we feel ?
Very :mad:



Agreed , what a joke , don't know what they would have thought of racing's hard men of the past :mad: :rolleyes:


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Posted 15 May 2011 - 16:00

Why wasn't Lorenzo penalised for his incident earlier in the "race" or come to that Rossi earlier this year ? The inconsistency is unreal looks like any hard charging young gun is going to be forced to hold back in future. The number of times in the past the two leaders in 125 and 250's have come toghether in the closing stages of a race but not so much as a murmer from the powers that be. It's clear there's a vendetta towards Simoncelli because he's upset a few who aren't squeeky clean themselves but seem to be flavour of the month with some.

Edited to add....
I would say that Pedrosa was looking very much like he was on target to run wide anyway....

.... Quote from race pundit Parrish "What happened was a genuine racing incident - Simoncelli was in the wrong, he was behind Pedrosa going into the corner and it's not often you can ride round someone on the outside. He tipped the bike in at the apex and left Dani with not much room"

.... isn't the idea to ride around someone on the outside preferably on the outside ? :rolleyes:
You either pass someone on the outside "going round them" or on the inside "going under them" this may also include a devilish late braking manouvre, or even down the straight if you're very lucky.

Edited by joeninety, 15 May 2011 - 19:43.


#87 Classicpics

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 19:54

"Maybe" if Daniboy had kept it cranked over or braked harder and lost the front end they would have both gone down, then it would have been a racing incident. I think he went in too deep and sat it up. who knows.
You can't penalise a rider for racing!
They are the gladiators of our sport and we expect them to fight for the victory, pay them on results and if they want to be rich racing will happen.
Bring back the 60's.



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Posted 15 May 2011 - 20:08

"I think he went in too deep and sat it up". Yes he did...No doubt..

Regarding the sixties...

Anyone who has seen the video of Gentleman Jim will recall his comments on his 125 race with SMB, the one where they agreed to "put on a show" then "Race" the final five laps....
Quote Jim " I peeled in to bugger up SMB's line, we collided but it was all fine in the end....SMB said "Glad we didn't do that for 35 laps"....
Pure sport :clap:

Edited by joeninety, 15 May 2011 - 20:19.


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Posted 16 May 2011 - 06:28

"I think he went in too deep and sat it up". Yes he did...No doubt..

Regarding the sixties...

Anyone who has seen the video of Gentleman Jim will recall his comments on his 125 race with SMB, the one where they agreed to "put on a show" then "Race" the final five laps....
Quote Jim " I peeled in to bugger up SMB's line, we collided but it was all fine in the end....SMB said "Glad we didn't do that for 35 laps"....
Pure sport :clap:


You would be nowhere nowadays if you 'raced' at the limit for only 1/7 of the distance. Thank god that these enormous discrepancies between the performances of top works bikes and the rest which allowed such 'show' gimmicks have gone for good

Rennmax, advocatus diaboli :wave:

Edited by Rennmax, 16 May 2011 - 07:45.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 21:44

You would be nowhere nowadays if you 'raced' at the limit for only 1/7 of the distance. Thank god that these enormous discrepancies between the performances of top works bikes and the rest which allowed such 'show' gimmicks have gone for good

Rennmax, advocatus diaboli :wave:




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Posted 24 October 2011 - 22:05

You would be nowhere nowadays if you 'raced' at the limit for only 1/7 of the distance. Thank god that these enormous discrepancies between the performances of top works bikes and the rest which allowed such 'show' gimmicks have gone for good

Rennmax, advocatus diaboli :wave:



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Edited by ditechiapacetec, 16 November 2011 - 23:39.


#93 RVF400

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 02:01

I think there would be better racing if they dusted off the early 90's 500's.
But at least we are watching prototype motorcycles not a street bike parade.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 06:36

But at least we are watching prototype motorcycles not a street bike parade.


:well: :well: :well: :well: :well: :well: :well: :well: :well: :well:

Good one :clap:

I here there is a new round at the 'M25 Ring' in London :down:

14 signed up for MotoCrap to date I see might bust 18 yet :(

Quote from Blurb on MotGP site

"With an exciting new chapter in the history of the World Championship commencing with the introduction of the 1000cc capacity machines, the new CRT rules and the new Moto3 category for the 2012 season"

The stench of BULLSHIT is becoming overwhelming :rolleyes:

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:04

apparently they have had to make it a claiming rule class because if they didnt this whole drama of the wcm bike will be brought back up and the wsb guys would have something to say, thats why they had to go the way of moto 2, if the manufacturers made them then they would be in direct breach with the fim superbike rules and lawsuits would start, the grand prixs are being adjusted to suit a production world championships.

theres no question they are going into media hyperdrive with this one, you dont have to look far to start seeing the words "the ultimate technological advancment" "an amazing new era" :confused:

the 60s was the best era as far as development was concerned and they didnt have to come up with such marketing drivel although they claimed the real right to it.

for gresini to hire a satellite honda in 2011 cost ..........£3.7 MILLION for one bike, to put that into perspective niall mackenzie used to do a whole season in the 90s on the roc yamahas for around £300,000 and a roc yamaha cost 90,000 in 1993. having said that in the pursuit of the ultimate tractor honda could supply a gearbox for your satellite 4 stroke that gives you 0.3 of a second and it only costs £520,000.

the thing is the younger tv fans and riders are completley hooked and believe whatever the marketing morons tell them, so mabye we can look at it and have a laugh but its really dissapointing when you look at how its going compared to what it used to be, but i suppose the young guys who have been led in today think its the best theyve ever seen and dont really care how it used to be.



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:13

but i suppose the young guys who have been led in today think its the best theyve ever seen and dont really care how it used to be.


Key sentence there I think.

Its a made for TV series like nearly all Motor sport now days, as it is product placement advertising driven, & as such the heart has been wrenched out of a once great sport/spectacle.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:44

very true graham, most televised sports these days seem to have more of a build up than the actual event lasts.

i remember a couple of years ago showing a guy who had just got into bike racing some of the british racing in the late 80s on dvd and he was amused by the fact there was no one there and commented the bsb gets 20,000 per meeting these days, as i said to him though - when you went to a meeting years ago it was because of 2 main things
1 you had a bike
2 you loved watching bike racing

the only way you heard of a meeting was on if you heard by word of mouth from fellow riders or bought the mcn, it wasnt on tv 90% of the time and it certainley wasnt promoted so what you had was the people who actually wanted to be there.



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 13:54

Very sad, the only reason Marques is staying in Moto2 is sot hat repsol can win there and maybe even in 125, I watched the CEV series on Sunday and other than two bikes every top bike was a Caixa Marques mini-me, they even had the saem damn helmets! Totally destroying their riders individuality which makes me sick.

GP racing now is totally market driven, its thy there are 15 races in Spain, Spain dominate the advertising, riders, sponsors and governing body, just liek India do in cricket.

But, there are alternatives, BSB is trying to do things by banning electronics and I can tell you from team insiders this will save tens of thousands of pounds which is surely a good thing.

But Honda run MotoGP with teh SPanish so cant imagine them wanting a change until they feel the need to change or they are not winnign anymore!

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 16:18

MONEY MONEY MONEY.

c'est tout.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 16:37

Very sad, the only reason Marques is staying in Moto2 is sot hat repsol can win there and maybe even in 125, I watched the CEV series on Sunday and other than two bikes every top bike was a Caixa Marques mini-me, they even had the saem damn helmets! Totally destroying their riders individuality which makes me sick.

GP racing now is totally market driven, its thy there are 15 races in Spain, Spain dominate the advertising, riders, sponsors and governing body, just liek India do in cricket.

But, there are alternatives, BSB is trying to do things by banning electronics and I can tell you from team insiders this will save tens of thousands of pounds which is surely a good thing.

But Honda run MotoGP with teh SPanish so cant imagine them wanting a change until they feel the need to change or they are not winnign anymore!



Shame that while saving costs on electrics, stock engines etc the series organisers now only want two man teams in BSB, there by depriving us of "privateer" one man/machine teams...crazy!! sorry Stuart if you read this, not the way to go. :well: