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[Odseybod]

While looking for something else, I stumbled across these pics I took at Crystal Palace in September 1969. Feature race was the Reg Parnell Trophy for Formula 3 cars - while I can identify some, others are mysteries but I'm sure TNF will spring to the rescue.

Starting with the 'known knowns', we have (I believe) Roy Pike in the Lotus 59:




And I think this is Howden Ganley in a Chevron B15 leading a young Brazillian called Emerson Fittipaldi (whatever happened to him?) driving the Jim Russell Lotus 59:




Now we're into the known unknowns. Roy Pike again, with his then-team mate Mo Nunn chasing - but who's the meat in the sandwich in #69?




And totally stumped with these:










Finally, here's the start of the saloon car race at the same meeting. I'd forgotten that Imps were so popular, or that CP was so good for spectating.

[Vitesse2]

69: Barrie Maskell



Nunn and Ganley again, but a different race (one heat, one final?) as Howden's car's grown some front spats.



91 David Cole
92 Tony Trimmer
94 James Hunt



Roy Pike coming up to lap Tony Birchenough

http://www.formula2.net/F369_GB55.htm

[alansart]

I was viewing from North Tower that day

[Odseybod]

Hm, a whole 23 minutes. Why the delay ?

Many thanks.

[2F-001]

I'm not convinced that that's Mo Nunn... shouldn't the car be in Gold Leaf colours? That pale-goldish coloured crash helmet made me think of Bev Bond... I believe he drove a GLTL car at some point, but didn't he drive another 'works-assisted' 59 at the same time as Pike and Bond were in GLTL cars?

Edit:
Ah... I didn't see that link above to a table of results! That does rather suggest that it's Bond in a Lotus Comps car.
Are we sure about Birchenough? Before I saw that list I was wondering if it might be Norman Foulds - the car did look familiar to a fragment of my memory but Birchenough was named with such confidence I should perhaps bow to better knowledge!

Edited by 2F-001, 24 March 2011 - 17:11.

[john winfield]

Yes, I think that's Bev Bond too, rather than Mo Nunn. And the driver identified as Tony Birchenough is, I think, Charles Lucas.

[Tim Murray]

Agreed on Charles Lucas - it's in Titan colours.

[2F-001]

Ahh... Charles Lucas... I had a bunch of names and remembered liveries buzzing around in my head, but wasn't able to connect them in the correct pairs.

What entertaining days they were...

Edited by 2F-001, 24 March 2011 - 17:34.

[Paul Parker]

Agreed on Charles Lucas - it's in Titan colours.

I thought it was Charlie Luke too but I'm usually wong!

[Bloggsworth]

Phew! Thought I was going mad - I was sitting here saying "I'm sure that's Charlie Luke". I don't recall Tony Trimmer having a Tricolour on the nosecone.

[Odseybod]

Thanks everyone - especially to V2 for the link to that website, very useful as I've found some Thruxton ones from the same era.

[pete53]

Finally, here's the start of the saloon car race at the same meeting. I'd forgotten that Imps were so popular, or that CP was so good for spectating.

Bill McGovern getting away in front of eventual winner Ray Payne

[skyblueracer]

Bev Bond did indeed drive a Lotus Components car in this race not finishing the race ,also is the car behind Bev a Merlyn so its Harry Stiller

[mike faloon]

Superb pictures, if you have enjoyed these try www.1kf3hra.org.uk and clicking onto archive, where you will find a selection of Pete Austin's excellent period photos (mainly Brands and Crystal Palace)

Edited by mike faloon, 26 March 2011 - 09:44.

[James Murray]

Its such a shame that the current series for these cars use much smaller and more modern looking low profile tyres. They would look much more in keeping with the period cars if they used the Dunlop tyres which are currently available and very similar in profile to the cars in these photos.

[Red Socks]

Its such a shame that the current series for these cars use much smaller and more modern looking low profile tyres. They would look much more in keeping with the period cars if they used the Dunlop tyres which are currently available and very similar in profile to the cars in these photos.

But look at the way the tyres are moving on the rims-todays racers couldn't handle that.

[Odseybod]

A few more from the F3 Final at the same meeting.

The start. with Charles Lucas and Howden Ganley leading eventual winner Fittipaldi off the line.




The main protagonists.



Fittipaldi in the Jim Russell Lotus 59.




Charles Lucas in the Titan Mk 3.

[BRG]

Was Ikuzawa in that F3 race? I remember seeing him at the Palace but can't remember exactly when?

[Cirrus]

Its such a shame that the current series for these cars use much smaller and more modern looking low profile tyres. They would look much more in keeping with the period cars if they used the Dunlop tyres which are currently available and very similar in profile to the cars in these photos.

I quite agree, James. At Brands in 2009 there was an ex-Cevert Tecno with the correct size tyres - it looked so much better than the emasculated 22" rear and 20" front tyres currently used. I hope it's not too late for the 1 Litre F3 movement to let (or make) the later cars race on 10's and 12's, with 22" OD fronts and 23" OD rears.

I was in my early teens when BT28s, Chevron B15s and Lotus 59s were current and therefore I think they're amongst the best-looking single seaters ever...

I had one once...

Edited by Cirrus, 26 March 2011 - 21:22.

[john winfield]

Was Ikuzawa in that F3 race? I remember seeing him at the Palace but can't remember exactly when?

He doesn't seem to have been at the September meeting, but he was at the Palace in May and August.

http://www.formula2....369_IndexGB.htm

I liked Ikuzawa - a real racer, rather like Kobayashi in Formula 1 today.

[Bloggsworth]

Was the Lotus 41 the most beautiful racing car ever?

[Wirra]

Was the Lotus 41 the most beautiful racing car ever?

No... it was the BT11.

[Bloggsworth]

Nah! Lacks elegance...

[layabout]

I am looking for a colour photo of Howden Ganley's Chevron B15. This sounds relatively simple, but there is one catch: I need the photo to effectively show the green & silver colours. I've seen other photos that make the car appear black or very dark blue, which was not the case. I would be willing to pay for the photo. 

 

Thank you

[DogEarred]

I was there too. Fantastic place!

 

Just an observation:-

 

Look at the detailed discussion in this thread about just one F3 race some 48 years ago.

 

I wonder if. in 48 years time, anybody will be discussing any of this era's F3 races?

 

 

 

Everything was better 48 years ago, wasn't it?

Edited by DogEarred, 10 May 2017 - 07:19.

[Michael Ferner]

Yes, definitely. Back then, even dogs could smile without lying on their backs...

[pete53]

I was there too. Fantastic place!

 

Just an observation:-

 

Look at the detailed discussion in this thread about just one F3 race some 48 years ago.

 

I wonder if. in 48 years time, anybody will be discussing any of this era's F3 races?

 

 

 

Everything was better 48 years ago, wasn't it?

Not much to choose between 48, 49 or 50 years ago - Modern Life is Rubbish as The Blur album of that name confirms

 

I can still remember exactly which race meetings I attended in 1967, and, can still recall some of the winners and incidents from those events. I once handed a race programme of a 1960s meeting to my wife and asked her to give me some names of competing drivers to which I'd respond with the car they would have been driving. I scored 100%. She was amazed ( I'm not sure if she was amazed in a good way though!)

Edited by pete53, 10 May 2017 - 12:04.

[john winfield]

I once handed a race programme of a 1960s meeting to my wife and asked her to give me some names of competing drivers to which I'd respond with the car they would have been driving. I scored 100%. She was amazed ( I'm not sure if she was amazed in a good way though!)

 

Your wife, Pete? Or your ex-wife?

[pete53]

Your wife, Pete? Or your ex-wife?

point taken

[john winfield]

I am looking for a colour photo of Howden Ganley's Chevron B15. This sounds relatively simple, but there is one catch: I need the photo to effectively show the green & silver colours. I've seen other photos that make the car appear black or very dark blue, which was not the case. I would be willing to pay for the photo. 

 

Thank you

 

Not sure if this helps, layabout, but Alan Henry wrote an interesting F3 retrospective in the February 1982 Motor Sport. It's well illustrated, even to the extent that the cover shot that month shows Tony Lanfranchi leading Tony Trimmer at Brands in 1968.

 

Inside, on page 186 (page 66 if you look at the Motor Sport archive  http://www.motorspor.../february-1982#), is a shot of Howden and the Chevron leading a pack through Paddock, including Ronnie Peterson and a tweaked-up Manfred Mohr. I think it's the October ER Hall Trophy, first lap of either Heat 2 or the Final.

 

I'm colour blind but the Chevron looks green and silver to me......

 

Edit. You probably know, but there's a zoom feature on the MS archive if you want to enlarge the picture.

Edited by john winfield, 10 May 2017 - 13:57.

[layabout]

Thank you for the lead, but unfortunately Howden is in the Brabham BT21 in this photo. The Chevron came after the Brabham. Thank you for the effort!

[john winfield]

Thank you for the lead, but unfortunately Howden is in the Brabham BT21 in this photo. The Chevron came after the Brabham. Thank you for the effort!

 

I'm an idiot, sorry!  The Chevron was 1969 wasn't it? 

 

The only colour picture I have to hand is, again, in Motor Sport, but very distant. Here's Howden at the back of the leading bunch, about to climb the Mountain at Cadwell:

 

http://www.motorspor...ovember-1969/62

[Nick Planas]

Everything was better 48 years ago, wasn't it?

Nah, the nostalgia is better nowadays 

[Sterzo]

I wonder if. in 48 years time, anybody will be discussing any of this era's F3 races?

 

Have you not seen this year's European F3 races at Monza? They were utterly fantastic. They're on the official FIA European F3 channel on Youtube.