Has anybody else spotted the ad. 'UNSEEN FACTORY RECORDS FOR SALE' on page 159 of MotorSport, May 2011 edition?
For anybody that hasn't yet seen the ad. the factory records are from Trojan and among the lovely and desirable memorabilia are items such as workshop and accounting books, log of all chassis numbers from '59 to '74, McLaren by Trojan verification files, customer files, delivery dates, nose, lapel and steering wheel badge, catalogues, photos etc.
Oh, and a box of spare chassis plates!
In fairness, at the base of the ad. Charlie Agg does state 'To be sold the right caretaker'. So who might that be?
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, Mar 25 2011 08:46
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millau
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 09:03
Has anybody else spotted the ad. 'UNSEEN FACTORY RECORDS FOR SALE' on page 159 of MotorSport, May 2011 edition?
For anybody that hasn't yet seen the ad. the factory records are from Trojan and among the lovely and desirable memorabilia are items such as workshop and accounting books, log of all chassis numbers from '59 to '74, McLaren by Trojan verification files, customer files, delivery dates, nose, lapel and steering wheel badge, catalogues, photos etc.
Oh, and a box of spare chassis plates!
In fairness, at the base of the ad. Charlie Agg does state 'To be sold the right caretaker'. So who might that be?
Probably Mad Max M defender of the just with the occasional peccadillo !
No it should not be spelt pecker....
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Allen Brown
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 11:41
Has anybody else spotted the ad. 'UNSEEN FACTORY RECORDS FOR SALE' on page 159 of MotorSport, May 2011 edition?
For anybody that hasn't yet seen the ad. the factory records are from Trojan and among the lovely and desirable memorabilia are items such as workshop and accounting books, log of all chassis numbers from '59 to '74, McLaren by Trojan verification files, customer files, delivery dates, nose, lapel and steering wheel badge, catalogues, photos etc.
Oh, and a box of spare chassis plates!
In fairness, at the base of the ad. Charlie Agg does state 'To be sold the right caretaker'. So who might that be?
I'm going to put my hand up for this. However, it depends how much he wants.
Anyone who wants to join forces on this can reach me at allen@oldracingcars.com.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 13:07
I'm going to put my hand up for this. However, it depends how much he wants.
Anyone who wants to join forces on this can reach me at allen@oldracingcars.com.
I hazard a guess they are looking for big money. Half page ads in Motorsport aren't cheap!
Interesting though
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RS250
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:17
Hi Allen,I'm going to put my hand up for this. However, it depends how much he wants.
Anyone who wants to join forces on this can reach me at allen@oldracingcars.com.
I couldn't think of a better custodian, but I would share the view of alansart; I fear even collectively we may struggle. Having said that I would be happy to help in any way I can.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:57
In this case the answer is that Mr Dennis should be persuaded to buy this part of McLaren Heritage and make the information available to ORC.Hi Allen,
I couldn't think of a better custodian, but I would share the view of alansart; I fear even collectively we may struggle. Having said that I would be happy to help in any way I can.
Who has the contacts to sort this?
However looking at the build records I am fascinated to see that Trojan T103 has two built.
Edited by Red Socks, 25 March 2011 - 16:16.
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Allen Brown
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 17:10
Who has the contacts to sort this?
I know a man who has.
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Robin Fairservice
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 17:36
Surely these archives are too important to end up in private ownership. They should be in a public archives where they can be properly accessioned and stored in the correct conditions for their long term preservation. I can only think of the National Museum as being appropriate. May be a fund raising campiagn is necessary unless McLaren could finance this.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 18:07
As a matter of interest, what has happened to the manufacturing rights for Trojan? I might be well out of tune here, but if the records are for sale, and the manufacturing rights are available, then surely "new" cars could be made rather like The GT40 from here in sunny South Africa that Jimmy Price makes. My undrstanding is that this car has an OK from the FIA to race in Historics as it is fundamentally the same car as the original MK 2. If I am wrong here could someone please tell me why, apart from the comments about it being a new car etc, as I get asked this from an eligabilty point of view here. Here replicas and real race in the same class and I get asked this from a scrutineering point of view, and I have to try and explain to people that the Price car is an FIA car as far as I know, and the replicas match weight etc, but don't have the gearbox and so on.
Looking forward to someone informing me on this subject, in a sensible way. please.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 19:23
My understanding is to the contrary. The FIA will accept replica's but they must one to one scale models of the original. Certainly the Superformance is not that. There are differences in the engine bay, suspension detail, rear beam etc. I understand that one car has been sucessfully engineered in the UK to meet the FIA requirements but that the bill for the transformastion was in excess of £30,000. In the US the major vintage race clubs -Rahal etc-are not accepting them.As a matter of interest, what has happened to the manufacturing rights for Trojan? I might be well out of tune here, but if the records are for sale, and the manufacturing rights are available, then surely "new" cars could be made rather like The GT40 from here in sunny South Africa that Jimmy Price makes. My undrstanding is that this car has an OK from the FIA to race in Historics as it is fundamentally the same car as the original MK 2. If I am wrong here could someone please tell me why, apart from the comments about it being a new car etc, as I get asked this from an eligabilty point of view here. Here replicas and real race in the same class and I get asked this from a scrutineering point of view, and I have to try and explain to people that the Price car is an FIA car as far as I know, and the replicas match weight etc, but don't have the gearbox and so on.
Looking forward to someone informing me on this subject, in a sensible way. please.
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Duncan Fox
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 10:28
Has any one heard if a "caretaker "was found.
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 13:19
My understanding is to the contrary. The FIA will accept replica's but they must one to one scale models of the original. Certainly the Superformance is not that. There are differences in the engine bay, suspension detail, rear beam etc. I understand that one car has been sucessfully engineered in the UK to meet the FIA requirements but that the bill for the transformastion was in excess of £30,000. In the US the major vintage race clubs -Rahal etc-are not accepting them.
It could easily cost that kind of money to prepare a genuine old car for historic racing - apparently it costs about 9 times that amount to prepare a genuine lightweight E-type for current historic racing use!!
Even spending 30 grand plus the purchase price means Superperformance cars are still a small fraction of the price of the originals.
