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[Tstag]

Looks like another dodgy year for Ferrari. As Mclaren make huge steps forward and Red Bull continue to lead the way, is it time for Ferrari to wield the axe? I thought Ferrari's more sucessfull period in F1 in recent years was when a lot of the cars were made in the UK (anyone remember that?). Is it time to even consider moving Ferrari out of Italy to the home of most F1 teams in the UK?

[Massa]

Stupid thread. Talk about dodgy year after one race.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Errr no. For a billion reasons. But the two most important are this.

It's only been one race.

And uhm, Ferrari's march towards dominance started in part when they stopped having satelite operations in other countries.

Actually I have a third reason.

It's only been one race.

[PayasYouRace]

Maybe we should wait until after more than one race to decide if firing anybody will be necessary. Australia would have been better if Alonso hadn't got a bad start. I guess he's on the top of the list to be fired?

[GlenP]

If you stood back and said you were going to pick one track to guess at relative performance, Melbourne would not be it! Usually they say Barcelona is a good indicator, because it is so good at pointing out aero and tyre performance. Or Sepang maybe... Nobody should get overly criticised or praised until after Sepang at the very least.

[jonpollak]

INFIDEL !!...
Jp

[SennaHolic]

Obviously after one race this is bull!! But, if they don't win the championship, of course some heads are gonna roll! It's Ferrari.

[Gareth]

If someone within Ferrari suggests a sacking off the back of one race, their head should roll.

[AlexS]

Domenicali should already been expelled to other place long ago. The list of failures is too big.

I thought Ferrari's more sucessfull period in F1 in recent years was when a lot of the cars were made in the UK (anyone remember that?).

Wrong. That was because of John Barnard. in 90's.

[CONOSUR]

Looks like another dodgy year for Ferrari. As Mclaren make huge steps forward and Red Bull continue to lead the way, is it time for Ferrari to wield the axe? I thought Ferrari's more sucessfull period in F1 in recent years was when a lot of the cars were made in the UK (anyone remember that?). Is it time to even consider moving Ferrari out of Italy to the home of most F1 teams in the UK?

Flavio? Is that you?

Wow...they finished fourth in the first race and heads should roll? Ferrari's most successful period in F1 in recent years was when Ferraris were made in Italy (as they always have been), and the rest of the crap cars were made in England. Why aren't there threads about everyone other than Red Bull and McLaren giving up on this season and the next and concentrating on 2013 turbo cars? McLaren hasn't won a constructor's championship in 13 years. Maybe they should pack up and move to Bahrain. By your logic, it couldn't hurt.

This thread gets my vote for the most ridiculous trolling thread so far this year...maybe ever.

Edited by CONOSUR, 06 April 2011 - 14:07.

[JohnnyWoodcock]

Looks like another dodgy year for Ferrari. As Mclaren make huge steps forward and Red Bull continue to lead the way, is it time for Ferrari to wield the axe? I thought Ferrari's more sucessfull period in F1 in recent years was when a lot of the cars were made in the UK (anyone remember that?). Is it time to even consider moving Ferrari out of Italy to the home of most F1 teams in the UK?

Yeah the John Barnard/Peter Windsor (Guildford) era was a great success wasn't it

Very poor trolling

[Hairpin]

I think so, yes. Immediately. And if that does not help them at Sepang more heads should roll. That will teach them!

[Go_Go]

Not yet

[Callisto]

After one race???,no way

[Owen]

Stupid thread. Talk about dodgy year after one race.

Exactly. Typical fan-based knee jerk reaction. A team of their calibre will be back on song very soon, and when I say soon, I mean this weekend in all likelihood!

[StanByk]

You are going a bit to far there aren't you?
Going by your definition of what constitutes a dodgy year, the whole of Mclaren should have been decapitated a long time ago (not just heads rolling ). Remind me, what have they achieved in the last 10 or 12 years? One drivers title?
Oh and that could be extended to pretty much all the teams on the grid..., because obviously they are producing dodgy cars year in, year out.

Looks like another dodgy year for Ferrari. As Mclaren make huge steps forward and Red Bull continue to lead the way, is it time for Ferrari to wield the axe? I thought Ferrari's more sucessfull period in F1 in recent years was when a lot of the cars were made in the UK (anyone remember that?). Is it time to even consider moving Ferrari out of Italy to the home of most F1 teams in the UK?

[Ross Stonefeld]

Exactly. Typical fan-based knee jerk reaction.

What, like all the screaming McLaren fans during testing?

[Augurk]

According to this, heads will definitely roll.

Stefano Dominicale first on the list to be "transitioned into another job".

Edited by Augurk, 06 April 2011 - 14:24.

[undersquare]

Very amusing thread.

Who are "Ferrari" anyway? The last bunch of employees have been and gone, now it's another lot.

Maybe in a few races time the shareholders will have to start thinking about it. As well as Bernie and Todt, obviously.

[Owen]

What, like all the screaming McLaren fans during testing?

Yeh, just like that. There will be always be people quick to react and make a judgement, regardless of the colour of the team they support.

[404KF2]

All they need is a good Bunga Bunga party to set things right.

[Andy865]

What a stupid thread.

If heads should roll at Ferrari, what on earth is going to happen to the entire mclaren design team? Seppoku?

Dopey troll.

Edited by Andy865, 06 April 2011 - 14:29.

[2ms]

Only one head needs to roll. Domenicali. They won in 2007 then as soon as Domenicali comes on everything turns upside down by the middle of 2008 and it's been crap ever since. They should "unroll" the heads that have been rolling since Domenicali came on because every one of those head-rolls has only made things worse.

But I say this only looking at 2008-2010. It's obviously way too early to say that 2011 is disaster already.

[Ferrari2183]

This and Rodlamas and Freya calling the F150 trash.

Mods, please close the thread. It's just asking for trouble.

[BRK]

At the end of this season, perhaps. Unless LdM steps down after 2011.


And Ferrari shifting base out of Italy? Might as well run customer cars from McLaren with Mercedes engines while they're at it.

[Sausage]

Is it time to even consider moving Ferrari out of Italy to the home of most F1 teams in the UK?

wtf...

[Tstag]

Knee jerk reaction? No that would be the should Lewis Hamilton move thread?

[OfficeLinebacker]

Yes, heads should roll at Ferrari.

[Wi000]

I like rolling heads

[undersquare]

Yes, heads should roll at Ferrari.

No absolutely not! I love the current team, the drivers who deserve their drives, the feud with the BBC, the strategist role, traffic lights, the happy family with team orders, it's all great. Don't change a thing .

Bernie will move some talent in soon anyway, no worries.

[Sakae]

Castrol predictor has Alonso for race in P2.

[Ferrari2183]

No absolutely not! I love the current team, the drivers who deserve their drives, the feud with the BBC, the strategist role, traffic lights, the happy family with team orders, it's all great. Don't change a thing .

We have only had one example of team orders... Germany.

Bernie will move some talent in soon anyway, no worries.

Still bitter that Bernie considers Ferrari an essential part of F1 and not McLaren...

[Sausage]

Castrol predictor has Alonso for race in P2.

Heads should roll at Castrol!

[fabr68]

A couple of avatar's heads must roll off this forum. There is at least 18 races left and 9 teams will lose the race on each of them. That is too many trolling threads like this one.

[BigCHrome]

Ferrari were at their best when they let foreigners run their team while having all their engineers under 1 roof. Montezemolo wanted to prove that they could be just as good when Italians are in charge of everything....it's not really working out that way though

[CONOSUR]

Ferrari were at their best when they let foreigners run their team while having all their engineers under 1 roof. Montezemolo wanted to prove that they could be just as good when Italians are in charge of everything....it's not really working out that way though

Agreed.

[GlenP]

If Ferrari were in a position where they couldn't do a race distance, and were miles off the pace to go with it - then yes, individual people would be under pressure.

But they're not. I think all that was missing in Melbourne was finesse in the set-up and better understanding of tyres. They aren't that far away, and I put them right in the mix with the best of the rest teams.

[Seanspeed]

Knee jerk reaction? No that would be the should Lewis Hamilton move thread?

Because there can be only one, right?

Besides, shuffling management around tends to be something best done with planning so people can be 'absorbed' in their new role rather than just planted there at short notice and told, "Be better than the last guy!"

Firing a bunch of people at this point is not the way forward and could actually prove to be counter productive.

Edited by Seanspeed, 06 April 2011 - 15:24.

[pingu666]

sigh, whatever happened to win as a team, lose as a team

[Disgrace]

Well, given the end of the world is 2012, next year, there's really not much Ferrari can do now.

[Totza]

Knee jerk reactions are funny

[tifosiMac]

Ferrari should move to Guildford. Its far nicer than Maranello.

[undersquare]

We have only had one example of team orders... Germany.

Still bitter that Bernie considers Ferrari an essential part of F1 and not McLaren...

Nah, Kovy was quite happy with Germany, he knew he was only in that position because the team had left Lewis out to save Kovy queueing. That was teamwork, not stitching one driver up on the say-so of the other, demotivating him and then talking about how he has to raise his game.

Ferrari is Bernie's team. The FIA's team. The extra money team. The one that's managed and funded to keep the money flowing in. Does it represent Enzo these days? I don't think so.

Anyway we'll see, the car could well be a contender. If not, Bernie might have to shake things up.

[PayasYouRace]

Well, given the end of the world is 2012, next year, there's really not much Ferrari can do now.

Like Bernie would let a little thing like that stop F1

[PNSD]

Yeah, Massa's!

[tifosiMac]

Still bitter that Bernie considers Ferrari an essential part of F1 and not McLaren...

Sly swipes aside, both teams are great assets to the sport but the truth of the matter is, F1 could survive without either. I don't think there are many people arrogant enough to claim otherwise, and Bernie's opinions are best taken with a pinch of salt as I'm sure you are aware.

[Ferrari2183]

Nah, Kovy was quite happy with Germany, he knew he was only in that position because the team had left Lewis out to save Kovy queueing. That was teamwork, not stitching one driver up on the say-so of the other, demotivating him and then talking about how he has to raise his game.

Bla bla bla, the evil red team ******* on poor old Massa who wasn't a title contender.

Ferrari is Bernie's team. The FIA's team. The extra money team. The one that's managed and funded to keep the money flowing in. Does it represent Enzo these days? I don't think so.

Smells of sour grapes. I suppose you think you should earn as much as the more experienced guy in the company. Does McLaren represent Bruce these days? Anyway, Bernie does what is good for F1 and having Ferrari around is good... Don't you think so?

Anyway we'll see, the car could well be a contender. If not, Bernie might have to shake things up.

[undersquare]

Bla bla bla, the evil red team ******* on poor old Massa who wasn't a title contender.

Smells of sour grapes. I suppose you think you should earn as much as the more experienced guy in the company. Does McLaren represent Bruce these days? Anyway, Bernie does what is good for F1 and having Ferrari around is good... Don't you think so?

Well Felipe was supposed to be contributing to the WCC, so it all worked out for the best, afaic

Yes I do think having Ferrari around is good .

[Disgrace]

Like Bernie would let a little thing like that stop F1 ;)

How could I forget!

[Ferrari2183]

Well Felipe was supposed to be contributing to the WCC, so it all worked out for the best, afaic

Yes I do think having Ferrari around is good .

You right, Felipe was supposed to be contributing to the WCC but he wasn't even doing that prior to Germany. On average he scored 6.7 points per race prior to Germany. Alonso was close to 10 and this was with plenty errors.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 06 April 2011 - 17:43.