I think its fair to say in some cases that qualifying pace doesn't always translate into race paceFunny how the guy who's actually at the top of the table in terms of difference to his teammate is the one who is closer to him on points than any other driver pair - both percentage-wise (7%) as well as in actual point-difference (5 pts). The only two guys closer are Barrichello and Maldonado (3pts), but they've barely accumulated any points.

# Qualifying Averages Between Team Mates

### #201

Posted 31 October 2011 - 17:22

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### #202

Posted 12 November 2011 - 22:19

1. Glock 0.51s (0,184s)

2. Rosberg 0.45s (1.134s)

3. Vettel 0.39s (0.34s)

4. Alonso 0.37s 0.565s)

5. Kovalainen 0.27s (0.905s)

6. Hamilton 0.25s (0.197s)

7. Buemi 0.22s (0.153s)

8. Sutil 0.13s (0.209s)

9. Petrov 0.12s (0.16s)

10.Perez 0.08s (0.367s)

11.Ricciardo 0.06s (0.528s)

12.Barrichello 0.045s (-)

### #203

Posted 12 November 2011 - 22:23

Just emphasizing this, since some wrote that Sutil was trashed by Di Resta in qualy this season.8. Sutil 0.13s (0.209s)

### #204

Posted 12 November 2011 - 23:46

Early in the season he was getting beat but second half of the season he has dominated di RestaJust emphasizing this, since some wrote that Sutil was trashed by Di Resta in qualy this season.

### #205

Posted 26 November 2011 - 19:46

1. Rosberg 0.49s (1.002s) 16-0

2. Glock 0.47s (-0.041s) 12-4

3. Vettel 0.373s (0.181s) 14-2

4. Alonso 0.371s (0.477s) 16-2

5. Kovalainen 0.27s (0.29s) 12-2

6. Hamilton 0.22s (-0.197s) 12-4

7. Buemi 0.2s (-0.115s) 13-3

8. Sutil 0.14s (0.303s) 12-7

9. Barrichello 0.08s (0.508s) 9-5

10.Perez 0.07s (-0.053s) 9-6

11.Petrov 0.023s (-0.559s) 5-2

12.Ricciardo 0.015s (-0.249s) 3-4

**Edited by tyker, 26 November 2011 - 22:42.**

### #206

Posted 26 November 2011 - 20:58

After Brazil (Brazil difference) head to head

1. Rosberg 0.49s (1.002s) 16-0

Schumacher was faster in Monaco. How can you say 16-0?

### #207

Posted 26 November 2011 - 22:39

Rosberg wasn't able to set a representative time in Q3 because of Perez's crash causing a red flag he was about 1 second slower than what he managed in Q2, 16-0 means that i discounted 3 qualifying sessionsSchumacher was faster in Monaco. How can you say 16-0?

### #208

Posted 26 November 2011 - 22:48

Rosberg wasn't able to set a representative time in Q3 because of Perez's crash causing a red flag he was about 1 second slower than what he managed in Q2, 16-0 means that i discounted 3 qualifying sessions

In this case you could use his Q2 time. I know he didn't drove a representative Q3 lap but after all he drove a (slow) lap.

### #209

Posted 26 November 2011 - 22:52

Rosberg was mighty fast in monaco, but the perez crash made it impossible for him (as well)Schumacher was faster in Monaco. How can you say 16-0?

### #210

Posted 26 November 2011 - 23:08

Did you count China then?Rosberg wasn't able to set a representative time in Q3 because of Perez's crash causing a red flag he was about 1 second slower than what he managed in Q2, 16-0 means that i discounted 3 qualifying sessions

### #211

Posted 26 November 2011 - 23:56

NoDid you count China then?

### #212

Posted 27 November 2011 - 00:03

I don't use times in a session where the other driver hasn't been able to post a representative timeIn this case you could use his Q2 time. I know he didn't drove a representative Q3 lap but after all he drove a (slow) lap.

### #213

Posted 27 November 2011 - 00:06

IIRC in china both of them was held up by saubers, weren't they?No

### #214

Posted 27 November 2011 - 00:08

I don't remember but i must have had a reason at the timeIIRC in china both of them was held up by saubers, weren't they?

### #215

Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:21

1. Alonso 0.68s

2. Glock 0.55s

3. De La Rosa 0.44s

4. Ricciardo 0.384s

5. Hulkenberg 0.379s

6. Maldonado 0.35s

7. Kovalainen 0.3s

8. Schumacher 0.2s

9. Hamilton 0.15s

10.Webber 0.1s

11.Perez 0.09s

12.Grosjean 0.05s

### #216

Posted 24 March 2012 - 21:31

2012 season

1. Alonso 0.68s

8. Schumacher 0.2s

Schumacher

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### #217

Posted 14 April 2012 - 17:36

1. Alonso 0.54s (0.271s)

2. Ricciardo 0.52s (0.781s)

3. Glock 0.51s (0.435s)

4. De La Rosa 0.49s (0.589s)

5. Kovalainen 0.27s (0.214s)

6. Maldonado 0.24s (0.006s)

7. Hamilton 0.21s (0.316s)

8. Webber 0.17s (0.331s)

9. Hulkenberg 0.11s (-0.428s)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (0.57s)

11.Perez 0.04s (-0.047s)

12.Grosjean 0.03s (-0.005s)

### #218

Posted 14 April 2012 - 18:06

After China (China times)

1. Alonso 0.54s (0.271s)

2. Ricciardo 0.52s (0.781s)

3. Glock 0.51s (0.435s)

4. De La Rosa 0.49s (0.589s)

5. Kovalainen 0.27s (0.214s)

6. Maldonado 0.24s (0.006s)

7. Hamilton 0.21s (0.316s)

8. Webber 0.17s (0.331s)

9. Hulkenberg 0.11s (-0.428s)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (0.57s)

11.Perez 0.04s (-0.047s)12.Grosjean 0.03s (-0.005s)

Are you sure thats accurate? Or are you using Grosjean's Q2 time today?

Kimi has now outqualified him two races in a row.

### #219

Posted 14 April 2012 - 18:18

Yes i take the fastest timeAre you sure thats accurate? Or are you using Grosjean's Q2 time today?

Kimi has now outqualified him two races in a row.

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### #220

Posted 14 April 2012 - 18:33

Yes i take the fastest time

Well thats not very representative then is it?

### #221

Posted 14 April 2012 - 19:40

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."Yes i take the fastest time

### #222

Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:05

1. Ricciardo 0.64s (1.026s)

2. Alonso 0.53s (0.509s)

3. De La Rosa 0.48s (0.431s)

4. Kovalainen 0.45s (0.971s)

5. Glock 0.33s (-0.221s)

6. Hamilton 0.2s (0.191s)

7. Maldonaldo 0.14s (-0.173s)

8. Webber 0.08s (-0.215s)

9. Perez 0.07s (0.146s)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (-)

11.Grosjean 0.03s (-)

12.Hulkenberg 0.01s (-0.297s)

**Edited by tyker, 22 April 2012 - 10:08.**

### #223

Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:49

1. Alonso 0.54s (0.582s)

2. Ricciardo 0.48s (-0.177s)

3. De La Rosa 0.477s (-)

4. Maldonaldo 0.43s (1.601s)

5. Kovalainen 0.31s (-0.23s)

6. Hamilton 0.26s (0.479s)

7. Glock 0.17s (-0.45s)

8. Perez 0.08s (0.124s)

9. Rosberg 0.05s (0.022s)

10.Grosjean 0.04s (0.063s)

11.Webber 0.039s (-0.113s)

12.Di Resta 0.004s (0.052s)

**Edited by tyker, 13 May 2012 - 11:21.**

### #224

Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:22

1. De La Rosa 0.62s (1.214s)

2. Maldonaldo 0.47s (0.683s)

3. Alonso 0.45s (-0.037s)

4. Ricciardo 0.42s (0.131s)

5. Kovalainen 0.4s (0.866s)

6. Hamilton 0.28s (0.37s)

7. Glock 0.23s (0.529s)

8. Grosjean 0.14s (0.56s)

9. Perez 0.08s (-)

10.Webber 0.07s (0.199s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.05s (0.3s)

12.Rosberg 0.01s (-0.147s)

**Edited by tyker, 27 May 2012 - 11:55.**

### #225

Posted 27 May 2012 - 10:48

After Monaco (Monaco times)

1. De La Rosa 0.62s (1.214s)

2. Maldonaldo 0.47s (0.683s)

3. Alonso 0.45s (-0.037s)

4. Ricciardo 0.42s (0.131s)

5. Kovalainen 0.4s (0.866s)6. Hamilton 0.28s (0.37s)

7. Glock 0.23s (0.529s)

8. Grosjean 0.14s (0.56s)

9. Perez 0.08s (-)

10.Webber 0.07s (0.199s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.3s (0.05s)

12.Rosberg 0.01s (-0.147s)

Hamilton improved by a further 6 tenths in the final session. I don't see how this is an accurate comparison unless you factor this in. The same goes for Webber vs Vettel.

### #226

Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:07

I dont include times from sessions were one driver is absent, i appreciate that perhaps Hamilton wasnt pushing 100% in Q2, its sort of nice i have a Hamilton fan questioning my methods as its been Button fans before, i try to be even handedHamilton improved by a further 6 tenths in the final session. I don't see how this is an accurate comparison unless you factor this in. The same goes for Webber vs Vettel.

### #227

Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:24

I dont include times from sessions were one driver is absent, i appreciate that perhaps Hamilton wasnt pushing 100% in Q2, its sort of nice i have a Hamilton fan questioning my methods as its been Button fans before, i try to be even handed

I understand that, and it is even handed in one sense, but more unrepresentative in another. I think it's fairer to just take the fastest times they set in the final session they made it through to. Just my 2 cents.

### #228

Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:57

You can't guarantee that the track conditions are the same thoughI understand that, and it is even handed in one sense, but more unrepresentative in another. I think it's fairer to just take the fastest times they set in the final session they made it through to. Just my 2 cents.

### #229

Posted 09 June 2012 - 20:05

1. De La Rosa 0.66s (0.838s)

2. Ricciardo 0.5s (0.95s)

3. Alonso 0.43s (0.314s)

4. Maldonaldo 0.41s (0.016s)

5. Kovalainen 0.38 (0.219s)

6. Hamilton 0.32s (0.593s)

7. Glock 0.24s (0.324s)

8. Grosjean 0.14s (0.107s)

9. Hulkenburg 0.025s (-0.109s)

10.Vettel 0.024s (0.562s)

11.Rosberg 0.018s (0.069s)

12.Kobayashi 0.01s (0.468s)

### #230

Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:28

1. De La Rosa 0.62s (0.356s)

2. Ricciardo 0.47s (0.279s)

3. Maldonaldo 0.43s (0.637s)

4. Alonso 0.383s (0.073s)

5. Kovalainen 0.376s (0.37s)

6. Hamilton 0.3s (0.153s)

7. Glock 0.24s (-)

8. Grosjean 0.12s (0.024s)

9. Kobayashi 0.1s (0.65s)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (0.266s)

11.Vettel 0.02s (-)

12.Hulkenburg 0.0004s (-0.17s)

### #231

Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:02

1. De La Rosa 0.58s (0.318s)

2. Ricciardo 0.443s (0.225s)

3. Kovalainen 0.436s (0.911s)

4. Maldonaldo 0.435s (-)

5. Alonso 0.383s (-)

6. Hamilton 0.3s (-)

7. Glock 0.2s (-0.071s)

8. Grosjean 0.12s (-)

9. Kobayashi 0.1s (-)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (-)

11.Vettel 0.02s (-)

12.Hulkenburg 0.0004s (-)

### #232

Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:47

Schumacher trashed Nico in the last 2 qualifyings and you still compute Nico as half tenth on advantadge. Not to mention the amount of bad luck several drivers have had in qualifying: Webber, Kobayashi, Schumacher...

### #233

Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:52

They are interesting statistics and at no time did tyker ever say that they should be treated as absolute proof of anything in particular.this calculations you are doing are worthless. They don't mean or represent any true valuable thing.

Schumacher trashed Nico in the last 2 qualifyings and you still compute Nico as half tenth on advantadge. Not to mention the amount of bad luck several drivers have had in qualifying: Webber, Kobayashi, Schumacher...

for the effort tyker.

### #234

Posted 26 July 2012 - 19:57

After Hockenheim (Hockenheim times)

1. De La Rosa 0.58s (0.318s)

2. Ricciardo 0.443s (0.225s)

3. Kovalainen 0.436s (0.911s)

4. Maldonaldo 0.435s (-)

5. Alonso 0.383s (-)

6. Hamilton 0.3s (-)

7. Glock 0.2s (-0.071s)

8. Grosjean 0.12s (-)

9. Kobayashi 0.1s (-)

10.Rosberg 0.05s (-)

11.Vettel 0.02s (-)

12.Hulkenburg 0.0004s (-)

Why only 4 results in Hockenheim?

### #235

Posted 26 July 2012 - 20:03

I dont include wet qualifying sessionsthis calculations you are doing are worthless. They don't mean or represent any true valuable thing.

Schumacher trashed Nico in the last 2 qualifyings and you still compute Nico as half tenth on advantadge. Not to mention the amount of bad luck several drivers have had in qualifying: Webber, Kobayashi, Schumacher...

Thank youThey are interesting statistics and at no time did tyker ever say that they should be treated as absolute proof of anything in particular.

for the effort tyker.

Q1 was the only dry qualifying session so was only relevant for the drivers in the tail end teamsWhy only 4 results in Hockenheim?

### #236

Posted 26 July 2012 - 21:12

Why not? Those are the conditions in which you can see the real skill of a driver.

I dont include wet qualifying sessions

Thank you

Q1 was the only dry qualifying session so was only relevant for the drivers in the tail end teams

### #237

Posted 26 July 2012 - 21:39

This is what I was talking about these calculations not showing "true picture"Why not? Those are the conditions in which you can see the real skill of a driver.

This isn't a bash on the OP, it's just that circunstances plays such a big role in to it that the numbers will, most of the time, be misleading to a significant extent.

It's not a particular bash at you tyker, I just think it's hard to read anything really conclusive into these things ;)

**Edited by BetaVersion, 26 July 2012 - 21:45.**

### #238

Posted 26 July 2012 - 22:30

Its basically just weighing which decision causes more skewing. Tracks that are drying mean you've gotta be out there at the right time on the right tires. Or maybe a track starts out dry or just damp and then it rains harder? If you didn't get a lap in, then you're out of luck and might find yourself like 10 seconds slower than your teammate or something, which would obviously create a significant skewing of the 'average'.This is what I was talking about these calculations not showing "true picture"

This isn't a bash on the OP, it's just that circunstances plays such a big role in to it that the numbers will, most of the time, be misleading to a significant extent.

It's not a particular bash at you tyker, I just think it's hard to read anything really conclusive into these things ;)

By not counting them, it does skew things slightly because it doesn't take into account situations where even on a wet track, two teammates had equally viable opportunities to get a good lap in, but its probably the lesser of evils. Plus, even in equal wet conditions, the qualifying times between drivers in the wet are often exaggerated compared to normal. Just look at Q3 in Hockenheim. There was like a 3-5 second gap or something between 1st and 10th in a season where we've become used to having it between .5 and a second and sometimes less.

I think its a fair decision to make. The percentage of qualifying sessions held in the wet are usually quite small over a season, so omitting a few races isn't gonna have a large effect on the end results.

### #239

Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:16

1. De La Rosa 0.54s (0.262s)

2. Kovalainen 0.45s (0.591s)

3. Maldonaldo 0.41s (0.193s)

4. Ricciardo 0.35s (-0.451s)

5. Hamilton 0.337s (0.63s)

6. Alonso 0.334s (-0.064s)

7. Glock 0.16s (-0.232s)

8. Grosjean 0.13s (0.217s)

9. Rosberg 0.09s (0.357s)

10.Vettel 0.06s (0.308s)

11.Kobayashi 0.04s (-0.405s)

12.Hulkenburg 0.02s (0.16s)

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### #240

Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:40

### #241

Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:00

Ok i will have a look after the raceHi tyker, I don't know if you can find it but Sky F1 do a qualifying championship table that you might be interested in.

### #242

Posted 06 September 2012 - 17:20

1. De La Rosa 0.69s (1.959s)

2. Maldonado 0.48s (1.178s)

3. Kovalainen 0.43s (0.228s)

4. Alonso 0.36s (0.549s)

5. Ricciardo 0.3s (-0.189s)

6. Glock 0.26s (1.157s)

7. Hamilton 0.22s (-0.821s)

8. Grosjean 0.08s (-0.333s)

9. Kobayashi 0.05s (0.109s)

10.Rosberg 0.032s (-0.439s)

11.Vettel 0.026s (-0.246s)

12.Hulkenburg 0.004s (-0.126ss)

### #243

Posted 09 September 2012 - 14:09

1. De La Rosa 0.61s (-0.188s)

2. Maldonado 0.46s (0.222s)

3. Kovalainen 0.44s (0.505s)

4. Alonso 0.33s (0.072s)

5. Ricciardo 0.29s (0.129s)

6. Glock 0.24s (0.034s)

7. Hamilton 0.21s (0.123s)

8. Grosjean 0.08s (-)

9. Kobayashi 0.06s (0.218s)

10.Vettel 0.035s (0,122s)

11.Rosberg 0.032s (0.025s)

12.Hulkenburg 0.004s (-)

### #244

Posted 23 September 2012 - 11:12

1. De La Rosa 0.47s (-0.983s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.315s)

3. Kovalainen 0.38s (-0.291s)

4. Alonso 0.37s (0.777s)

5. Ricciardo 0.27s (0.075s)

6. Glock 0.25s (0.392s)

7. Hamilton 0.24s (0.577s)

8. Grosjean 0.14s (0.64s)

9. Vettel 0.09s (0,684s)

10.Di Resta 0.025s (0.308s)

11.Perez 0.022s (0.878s)

12.Rosberg 0.018s (-0.12s)

### #245

Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:51

1. De La Rosa 0.54s (1.349s)

2. Maldonado 0.46s (0.571s)

3. Kovalainen 0.41s (0.775s)

4. Alonso 0.37s (0.46s)

5. Ricciardo 0.28s (0.414s)

6. Glock 0.25s (0.216s)

7. Hamilton 0.16s (-0.831s)

8. Grosjean 0.12s (-0.072s)

9. Vettel 0.11s (0.251s)

10.Di Resta 0.02s (-0.045s)

11.Kobayashi 0.007s (0.322s)

12.Rosberg 0.003s (-0.164s)

**Edited by tyker, 06 October 2012 - 17:53.**

### #246

Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:01

### #247

Posted 07 October 2012 - 13:32

Your welcomeThanks

### #248

Posted 14 October 2012 - 13:34

1. De La Rosa 0.54s (-)

2. Maldonado 0.46s (0.421s)

3. Kovalainen 0.374s (-0.126s)

4. Alonso 0.372s (0.35s)

5. Ricciardo 0.26s (-0.04s)

6. Glock 0.23s (-0.054s)

7. Hamilton 0.18s (0.441s)

8. Vettel 0.09s (-0.074s)

9. Grosjean 0.08s (-0.309s)

10.Rosberg 0.008s (0.075s)

11.Perez 0.004s (0.134s)

12.Di Resta 0.001s (-0.045s)

**Edited by tyker, 15 October 2012 - 00:55.**

### #249

Posted 14 October 2012 - 13:38

turn the damn delorean off!

After Abu Dhabi (Abu Dhabi times)

1. De La Rosa 0.54s (-)

2. Maldonado 0.46s (0.421s)

3. Kovalainen 0.374s (-0.126s)

4. Alonso 0.372s (0.35s)

5. Ricciardo 0.26s (-0.04s)

6. Glock 0.23s (-0.054s)

7. Hamilton 0.18s (0.441s)

8. Vettel 0.09s (-0.074s)

9. Grosjean 0.08s (-0.309s)

10.Rosberg 0.008s (0.075s)

11.Perez 0.004s (0.134s)

12.Di Resta 0.001s (-0.045s)

### #250

Posted 14 October 2012 - 14:41

?????turn the damn delorean off!