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That car can be fitted with flux capacitor. Very unique if you ask me.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 16:08

?????

That car can be fitted with flux capacitor. Very unique if you ask me.

Posted 15 October 2012 - 00:54

Just come back on the penny having just droppedAbu Dhabi?

Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:31

After India (India times)

1. De La Rosa 0.5s (0.001s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.348s)

3. Alonso 0.35s (0.084s)

4. Kovalainen 0.3s (-0.744s)

5. Glock 0.28s (1.049s)

6. Ricciardo 0.277s (0.519ss)

7. Hamilton 0.16s (-0.077s)

8. Vettel 0.09s (0.044s)

9. Perez 0.085s (1.143s)

10.Grosjean 0.07s (-0.074s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.053s (0.748s)

12.Rosberg 0.05s (0.598s)

1. De La Rosa 0.5s (0.001s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.348s)

3. Alonso 0.35s (0.084s)

4. Kovalainen 0.3s (-0.744s)

5. Glock 0.28s (1.049s)

6. Ricciardo 0.277s (0.519ss)

7. Hamilton 0.16s (-0.077s)

8. Vettel 0.09s (0.044s)

9. Perez 0.085s (1.143s)

10.Grosjean 0.07s (-0.074s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.053s (0.748s)

12.Rosberg 0.05s (0.598s)

Posted 04 November 2012 - 13:02

After Abu Dhabi (Abu Dhabi times)

1. De La Rosa 0.51s (0.616s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.423s)

3. Alonso 0.34s (0.209s)

4. Ricciardo 0.31s (0.778s)

5. Kovalainen 0.3s (0.195s)

6. Glock 0.24s (-0.337s)

7. Hamilton 0.19s (0.66s)

8. Perez 0.11s (0.522s)

9. Rosberg 0.09s (0.591s)

10.Vettel 0,08s (-0.095s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.06s (0.199s)

12.Grosjean 0.04s (-0.36s)

1. De La Rosa 0.51s (0.616s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.423s)

3. Alonso 0.34s (0.209s)

4. Ricciardo 0.31s (0.778s)

5. Kovalainen 0.3s (0.195s)

6. Glock 0.24s (-0.337s)

7. Hamilton 0.19s (0.66s)

8. Perez 0.11s (0.522s)

9. Rosberg 0.09s (0.591s)

10.Vettel 0,08s (-0.095s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.06s (0.199s)

12.Grosjean 0.04s (-0.36s)

Posted 04 November 2012 - 15:46

After Abu Dhabi (Abu Dhabi times)

1. De La Rosa 0.51s (0.616s)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.423s)

3. Alonso 0.34s (0.209s)

4. Ricciardo 0.31s (0.778s)

5. Kovalainen 0.3s (0.195s)

6. Glock 0.24s (-0.337s)

7. Hamilton 0.19s (0.66s)

8. Perez 0.11s (0.522s)

9. Rosberg 0.09s (0.591s)

10.Vettel 0,08s (-0.095s)

11.Hulkenburg 0.06s (0.199s)

12.Grosjean 0.04s (-0.36s)

Actually Kimi beat Romain by 0.518.

But I've seen before that you have weird ways to count anyway...

Posted 04 November 2012 - 19:49

Grosjean's quickest lap was in Q2Actually Kimi beat Romain by 0.518.

But I've seen before that you have weird ways to count anyway...

Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:32

Grosjean's quickest lap was in Q2

Yep, as I thought, completely meaningless stats.

Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:35

BingoYep, as I thought, completely meaningless stats.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 22:38

I think you should exclude the RB pair as Vettel's times were eradicated.

Posted 04 November 2012 - 23:23

I think you should exclude the RB pair as Vettel's times were eradicated.

why do you think that?

Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:43

The more laps available to use the better to see the driver's potentialYep, as I thought, completely meaningless stats.

Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:03

The more laps available to use the better to see the driver's potential

Not really, as tracks performance changes between sessions, so you arent comparing apples to apples

Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:34

I agree, only Q3 times are relevant to me.

Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:02

Not really, as tracks performance changes between sessions, so you arent comparing apples to apples

Why not, the track conditions are still same for drivers in all sessions they attend. From where I am looking including Q2 times at least in comparison is fully justified as it reduces variance on the resulting estimate.

Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:08

Why not, the track conditions are still same for drivers in all sessions they attend. From where I am looking including Q2 times at least in comparison is fully justified as it reduces variance on the resulting estimate.

While some drivers try everything (new tyres, two hot laps) to get to Q3, their team mates may just be cruising one lap because that's enough. It's pointless to compare Q2 times then.

Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:38

While some drivers try everything (new tyres, two hot laps) to get to Q3, their team mates may just be cruising one lap because that's enough. It's pointless to compare Q2 times then.

Right, who might those some drivers be? Hamilton and Vettel perhaps, all others pretty much have to go all out in Q2. Actually perhaps only Hamilton as Webber frequently seems almost as certain shoe in for Q3 as Vettel, while Button struggles comparatively.

**Edited by Oho, 05 November 2012 - 10:04.**

Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:41

Right, who might those some drivers be? Hamilton and Vettel perhaps, all others pretty much have to go all out in Q2. Actually perhaps only Hamilton as Webber frequently seems almost as certain shoe in for Q3 as Vettel, while Button struggles comparatively.

Massa used to stay in Q2 while trying everything he could, when Alonso was easily in Q3 with one lap. So the difference was actually bigger than what the numbers show.

Also Grosjean has many times had two tries while Raikkonen has advanced with his first try. Hence Raikkonen slower in Q2.

This quali format just makes it impossible to compare times from different sessions. Heck, even Q3 times are not always comparable because of strategy options, saving tyres and such.

Posted 05 November 2012 - 15:26

I don't know how it's done but I would compare only the last session's times that both drivers competed in.

Posted 18 November 2012 - 15:02

After Austin (Austin times)

1. De La Rosa 0.51s (-)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.509s)

3. Alonso 0.29s (-0.574s)

4. Glock 0.262s (0.588s)

5. Kovalainen 0.261s (-0.357s)

6. Ricciardo 0.252s (-0.68s)

7. Hamilton 0.19s (-)

8. Perez 0.12s (0.231s)

9. Vettel 0.11s (0.517s)

10.Hulkenburg 0.1s (0.599s)

11.Grosjean 0.05s (0.121s)

12.Schumacher 0.01s (1.399s)

1. De La Rosa 0.51s (-)

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.509s)

3. Alonso 0.29s (-0.574s)

4. Glock 0.262s (0.588s)

5. Kovalainen 0.261s (-0.357s)

6. Ricciardo 0.252s (-0.68s)

7. Hamilton 0.19s (-)

8. Perez 0.12s (0.231s)

9. Vettel 0.11s (0.517s)

10.Hulkenburg 0.1s (0.599s)

11.Grosjean 0.05s (0.121s)

12.Schumacher 0.01s (1.399s)

Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:39

After Brazil (Brazil times) head to head

1. De La Rosa 0.47s (-0.123s) 13-3

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.521s) 17-1

3. Glock 0.28s (0.596s) 12-6

4. Alonso 0.26s (-0.266s) 14-4

5. Kovalainen 0.25s (-0.146s) 13-7

6. Ricciardo 0.24s (-0.045s) 14-5

7. Hamilton 0.19s (0.055) 14-3

8. Perez 0.12s (0.146s) 10-7

9. Hulkenburg 0.11s (0.417s) 9-8

10.Vettel 0.09s (-0.179s) 9-8

11.Rosberg 0.02s (0.486s) 10-7

12.Grosjean 0.01s (-0.535s) 8-8

1. De La Rosa 0.47s (-0.123s) 13-3

2. Maldonado 0.45s (0.521s) 17-1

3. Glock 0.28s (0.596s) 12-6

4. Alonso 0.26s (-0.266s) 14-4

5. Kovalainen 0.25s (-0.146s) 13-7

6. Ricciardo 0.24s (-0.045s) 14-5

7. Hamilton 0.19s (0.055) 14-3

8. Perez 0.12s (0.146s) 10-7

9. Hulkenburg 0.11s (0.417s) 9-8

10.Vettel 0.09s (-0.179s) 9-8

11.Rosberg 0.02s (0.486s) 10-7

12.Grosjean 0.01s (-0.535s) 8-8

Posted 04 December 2012 - 21:40

I took a look at the qualifying differentials the way I think it should be done; which is, if not both get to Q3, then go back to Q2 and compare their times there. Don't compare across sessions.

...doing that for the top half of the grid, I arrived at this;

-Hamilton has on average been 0.24 seconds on average, faster than Button.

-Vettel, 0.08 seconds faster than Webber.

-Alonso, 0.25 seconds faster than Massa.

-Grosjean, 0.04 seconds faster than RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen.

-Rosberg, 0.134 seconds faster than Schumacher.

-HÃ¼lkenberg, 0.139 seconds faster than Di Resta.

-Perez, 0.028 seconds faster than Kobayashi.

...doing that for the top half of the grid, I arrived at this;

-Hamilton has on average been 0.24 seconds on average, faster than Button.

-Vettel, 0.08 seconds faster than Webber.

-Alonso, 0.25 seconds faster than Massa.

-Grosjean, 0.04 seconds faster than RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen.

-Rosberg, 0.134 seconds faster than Schumacher.

-HÃ¼lkenberg, 0.139 seconds faster than Di Resta.

-Perez, 0.028 seconds faster than Kobayashi.

Posted 17 December 2012 - 19:27

Yes thats what i do as wellI took a look at the qualifying differentials the way I think it should be done; which is, if not both get to Q3, then go back to Q2 and compare their times there. Don't compare across sessions.

...doing that for the top half of the grid, I arrived at this;

-Hamilton has on average been 0.24 seconds on average, faster than Button.

-Vettel, 0.08 seconds faster than Webber.

-Alonso, 0.25 seconds faster than Massa.

-Grosjean, 0.04 seconds faster than RÃ¤ikkÃ¶nen.

-Rosberg, 0.134 seconds faster than Schumacher.

-HÃ¼lkenberg, 0.139 seconds faster than Di Resta.

-Perez, 0.028 seconds faster than Kobayashi.

Posted 11 May 2013 - 13:36

2013 season

Late start this year due to the early season wet qualifying sessions

After Barcelona

1. Bianchi 0.64s

2. Hulkenberg 0.58s

3. Vettel 0.51s

4. Ricciardo 0.43s

5. Raikkonen 0.36s

6. Pic 0.32s

7. Maldonado 0.19s

8. Di Resta 0.15s

9. Rosberg 0.1s

10.Alonso 0.07s

11.Button 0.06s

Late start this year due to the early season wet qualifying sessions

After Barcelona

1. Bianchi 0.64s

2. Hulkenberg 0.58s

3. Vettel 0.51s

4. Ricciardo 0.43s

5. Raikkonen 0.36s

6. Pic 0.32s

7. Maldonado 0.19s

8. Di Resta 0.15s

9. Rosberg 0.1s

10.Alonso 0.07s

11.Button 0.06s

Posted 27 May 2013 - 00:45

After Monaco (Monaco difference)

1. Bianchi 0.64s (-)

2. Hulkenberg 0.58s (-)

3. Ricciardo 0.43s (-)

4. Vettel 0.4s (0.201s)

5. Raikkonen 0.36s (-)

6. Pic 0.32s (-)

7. Maldonado 0.19s (-)

8. Di Resta 0.15s (-)

9. Rosberg 0.1s (0.091s)

10.Alonso 0.07s (-)

11.Button 0.06s (-)

1. Bianchi 0.64s (-)

2. Hulkenberg 0.58s (-)

3. Ricciardo 0.43s (-)

4. Vettel 0.4s (0.201s)

5. Raikkonen 0.36s (-)

6. Pic 0.32s (-)

7. Maldonado 0.19s (-)

8. Di Resta 0.15s (-)

9. Rosberg 0.1s (0.091s)

10.Alonso 0.07s (-)

11.Button 0.06s (-)

Posted 27 May 2013 - 07:19

After Monaco (Monaco difference)

1. Bianchi 0.64s (-)

2. Hulkenberg 0.58s (-)

3. Ricciardo 0.43s (-)

4. Vettel 0.4s (0.201s)

5. Raikkonen 0.36s (-)

6. Pic 0.32s (-)

7. Maldonado 0.19s (-)

8. Di Resta 0.15s (-)

9. Rosberg 0.1s (0.091s)

10.Alonso 0.07s (-)

11.Button 0.06s (-)

Only Vettel-Webber did change? Why didn't you count others...at least q2 as it was dry in the end so everyone did dry runs.these differences are not accurate at all.

Posted 27 May 2013 - 07:38

Thanks Tyker good to see you back

Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:16

The track was not fully dry in Q2 and was getting quicker by the lap so i didn't judge it as being representative, i can't really consider Bottas as being 2.6 seconds faster than Maldonado for instance, the times in Q3 were over 2 seconds faster.Only Vettel-Webber did change? Why didn't you count others...at least q2 as it was dry in the end so everyone did dry runs.these differences are not accurate at all.

Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:17

You're welcomeThanks Tyker good to see you back

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 13:33

After Silverstone (Silverstone difference)

1. Bianchi 0.87s (1.75s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.56s (0.498s)

3. Ricciardo 0.47s (0.603s)

4. Pic 0.32s (-)

5. Vettel 0.3s (0.009s)

6. Raikkonen 0.27s (-0.007)

7. Maldonado 0.184s (0.152s)

8. Alonso 0.179s (0.392s)

9. Di Resta 0.16s (0.172s)

10.Button 0.15s (0.433s)

11.Hamilton 0.01s (0.452s)

1. Bianchi 0.87s (1.75s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.56s (0.498s)

3. Ricciardo 0.47s (0.603s)

4. Pic 0.32s (-)

5. Vettel 0.3s (0.009s)

6. Raikkonen 0.27s (-0.007)

7. Maldonado 0.184s (0.152s)

8. Alonso 0.179s (0.392s)

9. Di Resta 0.16s (0.172s)

10.Button 0.15s (0.433s)

11.Hamilton 0.01s (0.452s)

**Edited by tyker, 29 June 2013 - 13:41.**

Posted 29 June 2013 - 14:05

Wow, I knew Hamilton and Rosberg were close but 0.01s!?

Posted 29 June 2013 - 14:27

I guess not to surprising they've both shown to be excellent qualifiers during their F1 careersWow, I knew Hamilton and Rosberg were close but 0.01s!?

**Edited by tyker, 29 June 2013 - 14:27.**

Posted 06 July 2013 - 13:53

After Germany (Germany difference)

1. Bianchi 0.89s (1.035s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.6s (0.779s)

3. Ricciardo 0.54s (0.881s)

4. Pic 0.41s (0.797s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (0.107s)

6. Button 0.25s (0.664s)

7. Raikkonen 0.24s (0.107s)

8. Di Resta 0.19s (0.313s)

9. Maldonado 0.15s (-0.014s)

10.Alonso 0.1s (-0.137s)

11.Hamilton 0.04s (0.174s)

1. Bianchi 0.89s (1.035s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.6s (0.779s)

3. Ricciardo 0.54s (0.881s)

4. Pic 0.41s (0.797s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (0.107s)

6. Button 0.25s (0.664s)

7. Raikkonen 0.24s (0.107s)

8. Di Resta 0.19s (0.313s)

9. Maldonado 0.15s (-0.014s)

10.Alonso 0.1s (-0.137s)

11.Hamilton 0.04s (0.174s)

Posted 06 July 2013 - 13:58

After Germany (Germany difference)

1. Bianchi 0.89s (1.035s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.6s (0.779s)

3. Ricciardo 0.54s (0.881s)

4. Pic 0.41s (0.797s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (0.107s)

6. Button 0.25s (0.664s)

7. Raikkonen 0.24s (0.107s)

8. Di Resta 0.19s (0.313s)

9. Maldonado 0.15s (-0.014s)

10.Alonso 0.1s (-0.137s)

11.Hamilton 0.04s (0.174s)

funny how Maldonado can be 0.15 faster than Bottas, but quali battle is 6-3 for Valtteri, sometimes these average things don't show the whole picture.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 13:59

They never have. Its just an interesting statistic.funny how Maldonado can be 0.15 faster than Bottas, but quali battle is 6-3 for Valtteri, sometimes these average things don't show the whole picture.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 14:03

How can Hamilton's average be 0.04?

Today.... 9 tenths

Silverstone... Hamilton by half a second

Canada.... Hamilton by half a second

Monaco Rosberg by less than a tenth

Spain Rosberg by 2 and a half tenths

Bahrain Rosberg by half a second

China Hamilton by 4 tenths

Malaysia Hamilton by 9 tenths

Australia Hamilton by half a second

Today.... 9 tenths

Silverstone... Hamilton by half a second

Canada.... Hamilton by half a second

Monaco Rosberg by less than a tenth

Spain Rosberg by 2 and a half tenths

Bahrain Rosberg by half a second

China Hamilton by 4 tenths

Malaysia Hamilton by 9 tenths

Australia Hamilton by half a second

**Edited by TomNokoe, 06 July 2013 - 14:04.**

Posted 06 July 2013 - 14:16

How can Hamilton's average be 0.04?

Today.... 9 tenths

Silverstone... Hamilton by half a second

Canada.... Hamilton by half a second

Monaco Rosberg by less than a tenth

Spain Rosberg by 2 and a half tenths

Bahrain Rosberg by half a second

China Hamilton by 4 tenths

Malaysia Hamilton by 9 tenths

Australia Hamilton by half a second

By my calculations it's:

Lewis 0.2198s faster on average.

Lewis 0.0377s faster on average when it's dry Q1/Q2/Q3.

Lewis 0.22% faster on average.

Lewis 0.03% faster on average when it's dry Q1/Q2/Q3.

Edit: Oh, and I used Q2 times for today, you obviously can't say it was 9 tenths today.

**Edited by Zoetrope, 06 July 2013 - 14:17.**

Posted 06 July 2013 - 16:53

I only use dry qualifying sessionsfunny how Maldonado can be 0.15 faster than Bottas, but quali battle is 6-3 for Valtteri, sometimes these average things don't show the whole picture.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 16:55

I only use dry qualifying sessions and sessions were both drivers competed inHow can Hamilton's average be 0.04?

Today.... 9 tenths

Silverstone... Hamilton by half a second

Canada.... Hamilton by half a second

Monaco Rosberg by less than a tenth

Spain Rosberg by 2 and a half tenths

Bahrain Rosberg by half a second

China Hamilton by 4 tenths

Malaysia Hamilton by 9 tenths

Australia Hamilton by half a second

Posted 06 July 2013 - 16:59

So rounded up you have Hamilton 0.04s quicker than Rosberg in the dry sessions same as me?By my calculations it's:

Lewis 0.2198s faster on average.

Lewis 0.0377s faster on average when it's dry Q1/Q2/Q3.

Lewis 0.22% faster on average.

Lewis 0.03% faster on average when it's dry Q1/Q2/Q3.

Edit: Oh, and I used Q2 times for today, you obviously can't say it was 9 tenths today.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 17:38

So rounded up you have Hamilton 0.04s quicker than Rosberg in the dry sessions same as me?

Yes. Wet qualifying produce too high variations.

If anyone wants to have their own spreadsheet, you can download mine from here Spreadsheet.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 19:24

I think the differences really show that Chilton shouldn't be anywhere near F1. Just because he has a rich dad, shouldn't be enough to get an F1 seat. I was massively surprised yesterday when I saw that Bianchi was ONLY just over half a second quicker. Then I found out that Bianchi had a stomach bug and shouldn't have really been in the car at all. Yet still over half a second quicker.

Posted 06 July 2013 - 20:21

I think the differences really show that Chilton shouldn't be anywhere near F1. Just because he has a rich dad, shouldn't be enough to get an F1 seat. I was massively surprised yesterday when I saw that Bianchi was ONLY just over half a second quicker. Then I found out that Bianchi had a stomach bug and shouldn't have really been in the car at all. Yet still over half a second quicker.

Yes, Chilton is really out of his depths in F1 and having a fast team mate does not help either.

Posted 07 July 2013 - 00:56

Yes you've done it exactly the same as meYes. Wet qualifying produce too high variations.

If anyone wants to have their own spreadsheet, you can download mine from here Spreadsheet.

Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:01

Bianchi missed FP1 as well, also it was said that Chilton didn't bother doing a soft tyre qualifying run but concentrated on a race set up instead, so he's sort of given up on trying to out qualify Bianchi.I think the differences really show that Chilton shouldn't be anywhere near F1. Just because he has a rich dad, shouldn't be enough to get an F1 seat. I was massively surprised yesterday when I saw that Bianchi was ONLY just over half a second quicker. Then I found out that Bianchi had a stomach bug and shouldn't have really been in the car at all. Yet still over half a second quicker.

Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:38

Bianchi missed FP1 as well, also it was said that Chilton didn't bother doing a soft tyre qualifying run but concentrated on a race set up instead, so he's sort of given up on trying to out qualify Bianchi.

That's pretty awful.

At least he'll be able to say he drove in F1 at one point.

Posted 07 July 2013 - 10:36

Bianchi missed FP1 as well, also it was said that Chilton didn't bother doing a soft tyre qualifying run but

concentrated on a race set up instead, so he's sort of given up on trying to out qualify Bianchi.

Shouldn't all back runners be doing that? Not like they can achieve anything on Saturday anyway.

Posted 07 July 2013 - 11:07

Well if they can sneak into Q2 it's good publicity isn't it.Shouldn't all back runners be doing that? Not like they can achieve anything on Saturday anyway.

Posted 27 July 2013 - 13:36

After Hungary (Hungary difference)

1. Bianchi 0.8s (0.21s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.62s (0.696s)

3. Ricciardo 0.53s (0.502s)

4. Pic 0.4s (0.326s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (-)

6. Button 0.17s (-0.232s)

7. Raikkonen 0.15s (-0.256s)

8. Maldonado 0.13s (0.002s)

9. Alonso 0.11s (0.138s)

10.Hamilton 0.08s (0.332s)

11.Di Resta 0.06s (-0.572s)

1. Bianchi 0.8s (0.21s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.62s (0.696s)

3. Ricciardo 0.53s (0.502s)

4. Pic 0.4s (0.326s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (-)

6. Button 0.17s (-0.232s)

7. Raikkonen 0.15s (-0.256s)

8. Maldonado 0.13s (0.002s)

9. Alonso 0.11s (0.138s)

10.Hamilton 0.08s (0.332s)

11.Di Resta 0.06s (-0.572s)

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 13:45

After Germany (Germany difference)

1. Bianchi 0.89s (1.035s)

2. Hulkenberg 0.6s (0.779s)

3. Ricciardo 0.54s (0.881s)

4. Pic 0.41s (0.797s)

5. Vettel 0.27s (0.107s)

6. Button 0.25s (0.664s)

7. Raikkonen 0.24s (0.107s)

8. Di Resta 0.19s (0.313s)

9. Maldonado 0.15s (-0.014s)

10.Alonso 0.1s (-0.137s)

11.Hamilton 0.04s (0.174s)

Strange... Probably you have missed a fact that Sutil COULD NOT use his DRS? (4-5 tenths advantage)... Just look at the times from all Nurburgring seasons before qualifying, DiResta was nowhere as he is here in Hungary, too... And did you count also Monaco and Canada qualifyings?

**Edited by marcoferrari, 27 July 2013 - 13:46.**