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#351 pokerkid

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 13:24

Well what do you know. Alonso who apparently is nothing special in qualifying , yet again has one of the biggest avg gaps on the grid just as he has since like forever.



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#352 Seanspeed

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 13:50

Wow, really close in most of the pairings.

Yea, wasn't expecting that.

#353 tyker

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 14:04

thank you. I thought you also exclude qualies where mechanical failures hindered a car/cars, as they are notconsistent as well.

It depends on how bad the variance, drivers can lose the odd tenth here and there for various different reasons



#354 tyker

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Posted 08 June 2014 - 14:05

Well what do you know. Alonso who apparently is nothing special in qualifying , yet again has one of the biggest avg gaps on the grid just as he has since like forever.

Well since 2007



#355 tyker

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 13:25

After Austria (Austria Difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.57s (1s)

2. Ricciardo 0.223s (0.163s)

3. Alonso 0.217s (0.372s)

4. Bianchi 0.21s (0.363s)

5. Sutil 0.14s (0.524s)

6. Maldonado 0.12s (0.522s)

7. Bottas 0.085s (-0.087s)

8. Rosberg 0.082s (0.138s)

9. Hulkenberg 0.08s (0.13s)

10.Kvyat 0.07s (0.583s)

11.Magnussen 0.01s (0.307s)


Edited by tyker, 21 June 2014 - 13:26.


#356 tyker

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 13:28

After Germany (Germany difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.57s (-)

2. Bianchi 0.31s (0.813s)

3. Alonso 0.25s (0.407s)

4. Grosjean 0.237s (1.301s)

5. Ricciardo 0.2368s (0.304s)

6. Bottas 0.12s (0.319s)

7. Kvyat 0.09s (0.182s)

8. Rosberg 0.082s (-)

9. Magnussen 0.077s (0.405s)

10.Guiterrez 0.07s (0.403s)

11.Hulkenberg 0.069s (0.021s)



#357 tyker

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 13:24

After Hungary (Hungary difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.75s (1.504s)

2. Bianchi 0.31s (-)

3. Alonso 0.25s (-)

4. Grosjean 0.24s (-)

5. Bottas 0.2s (0.676s)

6. Ricciardo 0.19s (-0.19s)

7. Rosberg 0.08s (-)

8. Hulkenberg 0.07s (-)

9. Kvyat 0.06s (-0.069s)

10.Magnussen 0.05s (-0.083s)

11.Gutierrez 0.04s (-0.124s)


Edited by tyker, 04 September 2014 - 23:18.


#358 tyker

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 13:25

After Monza (Monza difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.78s (0.891s)

2. Bianchi 0.34s (0.509s)

3. Alonso 0.3s (0.585s)

4. Bottas 0.2s (0.168s)

5. Grosjean 0.17s (-0.112s)

6. Ricciardo 0.12s (-0.273s)

7. Kvyat 0.064s (0.07s)

8. Magnussen 0.056s (0.065s)

9. Gutierrez 0.02s (-0.104s)

10.Rosberg 0.01s (-0.274s)

11.Perez 0s (0.416s)



#359 SamH123

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 13:31

Thanks for doing these

Perez performance this year has been a bit underrated, that's impressive to qualify similarly to the Hulk

Gutierrez probably deserves more than the zero credit he gets as well I suppose



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#360 coppilcus

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 19:41

The average between Alonso and Kimi is huge... The Finn is struggling with these engines.

#361 tyker

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 22:44

Thanks for doing these

Perez performance this year has been a bit underrated, that's impressive to qualify similarly to the Hulk

Gutierrez probably deserves more than the zero credit he gets as well I suppose

You're welcome :)



#362 tyker

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 14:38

After Singapore (Singapore difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.94s (1.882s)

2. Bianchi 0.43s (1.033s)

3. Grosjean 0.34s (1.201s)

4. Alonso 0.26s (0.023s)

5. Bottas 0.16s (-0.187s)

6. Ricciardo 0.11s (0.048s)

7. Magnussen 0.08s (0.243s)

8. Kvyat 0.064s (0.063s)

9. Gutierrez 0.059s (0.354s)

10.Hulkenberg 0.03s (0.267s)

11.Hamilton 0s (0.007s)



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Posted 04 October 2014 - 12:03

After Japan (Japan Difference)

 

1. Kobayashi 0.8s (-0.202s)

2. Bianchi 0.44s (0.538s)

3. Alonso 0.34s (0.997s)

4. Grosjean 0.28s (-0.067s)

5. Bottas 0.18s (0.399s)

6. Ricciardo 0.14s (0.357s)

7. Magnussen 0.08s (0.088s)

8. Guiterrez 0.06s (0.056s)

9. Kvyat 0.05s (-0.108s)

10.Hulkenburg 0.04s (0.089s)

11.Rosberg 0.03s (0.197s)


Edited by tyker, 04 October 2014 - 12:05.


#364 evilraver

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 12:54

Maybe I'm missing something, but there's one thing that got my attention. I don't understand why a difference in the last qualifying for Rosberg of +0.197 means a +0.03 difference in the total (they were tied until the last session), while an almost same difference for Kobayashi -0.202 in the last qualifying, means -0.14 in the total (from +0.94 to +0.80).



#365 tyker

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 13:42

Well the mathematics are that with Hamilton and Rosberg you are going from a 0s average to 0.197s for Japan so that's 0.197s from the normal, with Kobayashi and Ericsson you are going from a +0.94s average to -0.202s for Japan in respect to Kobayashi so that is 1.142s from the normal.


Edited by tyker, 04 October 2014 - 13:43.


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Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:47

After Sochi (Sochi difference)

 

01. Kobayashi 0.65s (-0.52s)

02. Bianchi 0.44s (-)

03. Alonso 0.32s (0.062s)

04. Grosjean 0.28s (-)

05. Bottas 0.18s (-)

06. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.386s)

07. Kvyat 0.1s (0.652s)

08. Magnussen 0.079s (0.099s)

09. Gutierrez 0.076s (0.23s)

10. Hulkenberg 0.05s (0.105s)

11. Hamilton 0s (0.268s)


Edited by tyker, 12 October 2014 - 00:35.


#367 OO7

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 07:47

After Sochi (Sochi difference)

 

01. Kobayashi 0.65s (-0.52s)

02. Bianchi 0.44s (-)

03. Alonso 0.32s (0.062s)

04. Grosjean 0.28s (-)

05. Bottas 0.18s (-)

06. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.386s)

07. Kvyat 0.1s (0.652s)

08. Magnussen 0.079s (0.099s)

09. Gutierrez 0.076s (0.23s)

10. Hulkenberg 0.05s (0.105s)

11. Hamilton 0s (0.268s)

Are these times based on the fastest qualifying out of Q1, Q2 and Q3.  E.g Hamiltons fastest time of the weekend was his second run in Q2.



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Posted 12 October 2014 - 07:52

Good stuff from Gutierrez. Last season he looked like he shouldn't be in Formula One, but it's not that bad this year.



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Posted 12 October 2014 - 10:26

Are these times based on the fastest qualifying out of Q1, Q2 and Q3.  E.g Hamiltons fastest time of the weekend was his second run in Q2.

Yes and i used Hamilton's and Rosberg's times from Q2



#370 tyker

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 10:28

Good stuff from Gutierrez. Last season he looked like he shouldn't be in Formula One, but it's not that bad this year.

Yes as a rule it does take time for rookies to find their feet



#371 coppilcus

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Posted 12 October 2014 - 17:45

Thank you, tiker!

It's interesting to see which teams have a 'better' or more equilibrated lineup.

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 14:11

Thank you, tiker!

It's interesting to see which teams have a 'better' or more equilibrated lineup.

No problem :)



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 14:17

After Austin (Austin difference)

 

01. Kobayashi 0.65s (-)

02. Bianchi 0.44s (-)

03. Alonso 0.3s (0.194s)

04. Bottas 0.19s (0.299s)

05. Ricciardo 0.16s (-)

06. Kvyat 0.12s (0.314s)

07. Grosjean 0.11s (-1.071s)

08. Magnussen 0.07s (-0.049s)

09. Rosberg 0.039s (0.376s)

10. Hulkenberg 0.038s (-0.044s)

11. Gutierrez 0.01s (-0.7s)



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Posted 08 November 2014 - 17:25

After Brazil (Brazil difference)

 

01. Kobayashi 0.65s (-)

02. Bianchi 0.44s (-)

03. Alonso 0.29s (0.122s)

04. Bottas 0.17s (-0.058s)

05. Kvyat 0.16s (0.617s)

06. Ricciardo 0.13s (-0.137s)

07. Grosjean 0.12s (0.196s)

08. Magnussen 0.06s (-0.039s)

09. Hulkenberg 0.05s (0.228s)

10. Gutierrez 0.04s (0.423s)

11. Rosberg 0.038s (0.033s)



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Posted 22 November 2014 - 14:37

Final Qualifying (Abu Dhabi difference) head to head

 

01. Kobayashi 0.65s (-) 6-3

02. Bianchi 0.44s (-) 7-2

03. Alonso 0.28s (0.228s) 11-2

04. Ricciardo 0.17s (0.626s) 9-4

05. Bottas 0.164s (0.094s) 9-4

06. Kvyat 0.156s (0.125s) 10-4

07. Grosjean 0.12s (0.092s) 6-4

08. Rosberg 0.07s (0.386s) 7-4

09. Magnussen 0.04s (-0.229s) 7-7

10. Hulkenberg 0.039s (-0.145s) 8-5

11. Gutierrez 0.03s (-0.073s) 7-6



#376 tyker

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 21:25

2015 Qualifying Averages

 

01. Stevens 0.88s

02. Ricciardo 0.58s

03. Hamilton 0.4s

04. Vettel 0.24s

05. Sainz 0.19s

06. Grosjean 0.12s

07. Nasr 0.1s

08. Perez 0.07s

09. Button 0.06s

10. Bottas 0.04s



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 23:51

2015 Qualifying Averages

 

01. Stevens 0.88s

02. Ricciardo 0.58s

03. Hamilton 0.4s

04. Vettel 0.24s

05. Sainz 0.19s

06. Grosjean 0.12s

07. Nasr 0.1s

08. Perez 0.07s

09. Button 0.06s

10. Bottas 0.04s

Hmm, are you sure that's correct?

 

For example Vet vs Rai:

AUS Q3 0.033

MAL Q1  0.601 (You said you count Fastest overall lap in dry qualifying sessions were both drivers competed in)

CHINA Q3 0.545

BAH Q3 0.245

 

I get 0.356s. 

 

 

HAM vs ROS:

 
AUS Q3  0.594
MAL Q1  0.105
CHIN Q3  0.046
BAH Q3   0.558
 
I get 0.325s.
 
Or am I missing something?


#378 tyker

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Posted 19 April 2015 - 00:53

I didn't count Malaysia for the top teams because they are just looking to progress past Q1 and don't have to push and I guess that would be the main difference, there are some smaller ones like both Vettel and Kimi doing faster laps in Q2 then they managed in Q3 which you have overlooked



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 07:50

I didn't count Malaysia for the top teams because they are just looking to progress past Q1 and don't have to push and I guess that would be the main difference, there are some smaller ones like both Vettel and Kimi doing faster laps in Q2 then they managed in Q3 which you have overlooked

Why shouldn't you count it? Ferrari qualified in Q1 on mediums, so they were pushing hard to beat others on softs. It can be argued that when a driver doesn't participate in Q3(especially for technical reasons), his Q2 time isn't representative either, since top teams are just pushing enough to get into Q3 and saving tyres for the race. Also, sometimes the conditions change for worse in Q3, but a Driver A manages a stellar lap while Driver B  sets a better lap in Q2 in better conditions while Driver A wasn't pushing much in Q2 to save tyres. Is it fair to compare their times then?

Really selective way to count or discount qualifying sessions. If you're counting Q2, you should count Q1 too, especially when the top teams qualify on mediums, since they have to push a lot to beat others on softs.


Edited by rasul, 19 April 2015 - 08:25.


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Posted 19 April 2015 - 09:35

I've always and always, compared times set in the same session. I used to do threads on qualifying differentials a handful of years ago.

Comparing across sessions… don't believe in it.

By chance the diff might not always be that big, but you're providing yourself "cleaner" material to work with, if you stick to times set in the same session.


Edited by race addicted, 19 April 2015 - 09:36.


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 20:59

Bahrain GP Qualifying

Q1

Raikkonen 1-34.568

Vettel 1-34.919

 

Q3

Vettel 1-32.982

Raikkonen 1-33.227

 

I'm not convinced that the drivers in the fastest cars are laying everything on the line in Q1?

 

Like I have said before I'm looking for the fastest time a driver can do whether it be in Q1, Q2 or Q3, Q1 is relevant for the drivers fighting to get into Q2 but I don't believe that the Ferrari or Mercedes drivers are having to lay it on the line to get into Q2.


Edited by tyker, 20 April 2015 - 21:09.


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Posted 20 April 2015 - 21:07

No, so then you compare their times in Q3, when they do. Same with the ones further back, those that are likely to qualify somewhere in the Q2-segment, will give it their all in that session.



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 21:13

I think if someone is able to post a faster lap in Q2 than in Q3 then the Q2 lap is more relevant to what the driver is capable of



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 21:19

Fine. My reservation are based on the track developing positively as it does most dry qualifyings.

I appreciate you keeping track of this as it's a useful indicator anyway.



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Posted 09 May 2015 - 16:30

After Barcelona (Barcelona Difference)

 

01. Stevens 0.87s (0.838s)

02. Ricciardo 0.45s (-0.063s)

03. Vettel 0.32s (0.558s)

04. Hamilton 0.23s (-0.267s)

05. Nasr 0.174s (0.487s)

06. Sainz 0.173s (0.113s)

07. Bottas 0.14s (0.453s)

08. Grosjean 0.1s (0.075s)

09. Perez 0.04s (-0.077s)

10. Button 0.01s (-0.094s)



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Posted 09 May 2015 - 16:45

I'm surprised that Vettel's average gap is similar to that of Alonso last year as Raikkonen happier with this car.

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 18:03

I think Raikkonen is looking to be quite a poor qualifier



#388 Anderis

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 21:47

I'm surprised that Vettel's average gap is similar to that of Alonso last year as Raikkonen happier with this car.

I'm not. I think Alonso is not quite as good qualifier as one could expect. 



#389 tyker

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 22:39

Looking at his qualifying thus far against Button you may have a point



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Posted 10 May 2015 - 00:00

I'm surprised that Vettel's average gap is similar to that of Alonso last year as Raikkonen happier with this car.


"Happier with the car" yet all Raikkonen did through qualifying is complain about balance.

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Posted 10 May 2015 - 00:09

"Happier with the car" yet all Raikkonen did through qualifying is complain about balance.

Maybe is that they don't listen to him and the car suits Alonso. I mean, Vettel.


Edited by Ikebana, 10 May 2015 - 00:09.